IIRC you got the car before I got my new truck (before July?). I wish I only had 3650 on the odo, my truck turned 10,000 miles tonight!! Our other Ram isn't far behind, I think he's got around 9700 on it. We sure drive a lot, lol.
Got my car the 3rd week of June. With my son away at college, I'm the only driver using it. My 2 girls don't want to drive & the wife would rather drive her 3s. Only have 50% oil life life, so I suspect that I'll be changing the oil around February at this rate. Got a question for everyone, why have some of the other forums on Edmunds gotten so nasty? I had to leave the Civic vs. Elantra forum because of the attitudes of certain posters. I alwys thought that these forums were supposed to be fun & friendly and not so sarcastic & nasty. Am I the only one who's noticed this negative turn?
I haven't read that forum, but I think Edmunds is still a cut above many of the others. The manufacturer-specific discussion sites out there tend to be populated with quite a few diehard loyalists who refuse to acknowledge that anyone might have a better idea than the manufacturer in question. Case in point, I complained about the always-lit dashboard on the newer Honda products on one of these sites, and the other forum members turned it into a debate about evolution vs. creationism.
FWIW, my roommate has the same issue with her CR-V--the lit dashboard often fools her into thinking the headlights are on. I think she will get used to it, though.
That's what I thought. We got our trucks July 6th. We've had to drive them more lately because the old Ford wouldn't start. Fixed that problem yesterday, so the Rams should be able to get a little bit of a break, although the Ford can't tow the big trailers.
On another note, my 10 year old got her new horse yesterday and since the horse came up from the southern part of the state I had to run to town and buy a blanket. The poor horse doesn't have any winter coat and it was 24 below zero when she got her. Really nice little mare though, super sweet, polar opposite to our pony, he's a little snot.
You don't want to look like a yuppie, and you're driving a 5-series?
In my neighborhood, one of the "most desirable" neighborhoods in one of the most expensive towns near Boston, most people have: minivans, toyo or Honda, Highlanders, an occasional Passat wagon, Accords, a couple of Subies. I think I've seen 2 Benz's in this neighborhood in the 20 years I've lived here, & 3 bmws besides mine (I'm talking cars owned by people who live in this neighborhood, not ones I see while driving around).
And all the $1 to $1.5 mil. McMansions, which are now 1/2 to 2/3 of the neighborhood. After a while you start to equate certain vehicles with this lame, yuppie, surburban white-bread stepford-existence (mini-vans & highlanders & the like).
And all of the people I've met, or read articles by in the Roundel, who own bmws, have been fairly sick car nuts, who are just obsessed with the performance aspects of bmws (you know, when your eyeballs turn into 2 bmw roundels).
But the CR-V sounds like an excellent vehicle, at a good price. Right now, I just read an article by Peter Egan in R&T about how he just bought a 2001 Porsche Boxter S & loves it. I can definitely see having one Practical vehicle, & another summer, "fun" car.....
There's "something about" Hondas. I owned, or co-owned, 2 Hondas in the mid-to-late-80's. They were both very "friendly" cars; it was like you wanted to adopt them or something.
The '85 CRX my ex & I owned, we drove all over the US for years, it never broke, & I think we spent $100 in maintenence on. When we sold it, the answering machine almost broke because we got so many calls.....
When we sold it, the answering machine almost broke because we got so many calls.....
I believe it, lol. Those CRX were/are popular cars, especially up here. A friend of ours had one and he loaned it out, it hit a moose, he bought a donor car with a bad engine and did a body swap on to his car. Darn thing is still going!
Another friend of ours had one years and years ago and they used it as a generator for the house. The car would run for 2 weeks on a tank of gas, then they would drive it to the gas station, fill it up, go home and plug back in. Used it like that for a couple years until it finally gave up.
Quite a few of the people around here with high-end homes have a full-size SUV, although I guess that would be inconvenient if you had to park in tight spaces in a large city like Boston every day. And, I presume dents and dings are more common there, so I can understand having a $1.5M McMansion and a $30,000 car instead of an M5 to go in the garage...
I think Peter Egan is the best. His life resonates with a lot of people who got into Brit cars (nothing else was being brought in) in the 60's, went off to Vietnam, came home, worked on cars, did a little traveling, did a little jogging, and to this day still are into cars/working on cars/thinking about cars etc. He has two or three collections of essays available from R & T that are really thoughtful and relaxing to read. He has absolutely nothing in common with anyone living inside Rt 128 driving a (probably leased)late model Bimmer.
And having to drive all those miles too. Even with the marginal increase in gas mileage of a diesel, the mileage you put on that truck must make you the darling of the gas stations up there. Combine that with the fact that you are pulling stuff. Wow...Simply WOW.
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And having to drive all those miles too. Even with the marginal increase in gas mileage of a diesel, the mileage you put on that truck must make you the darling of the gas stations up there. Combine that with the fact that you are pulling stuff. Wow...Simply WOW.
LOL, anymore I don't even blink at a $90 fill up, its just a fact of life. The diesels have been a major relief, especially hubby's since he traded in a V10.
He went from spending nearly $1000/month in gas to about $400 in diesel. His V10 averaged about 6-7 mpg, the Cummins hangs around 12-14 depending on what he's doing with it. If he's just driving empty it stays up around 15-16, towing drops it though. Not too shabby for a dually I don't think.
Our old Ford doesn't do too bad on mileage, its around 14-15 mpg last time we checked.
I am kicking around the idea of buying a small SUV or minivan for a run around vehicle. Something older and cheap, last van I had got well over 25 mpg. I kind of miss the Sebring and its 28 mpg. I also miss having a gas engine sometimes, diesels are slightly cranky in the cold and a lot less forgiving if they aren't plugged in.
He has absolutely nothing in common with anyone living inside Rt 128 driving a (probably leased)late model Bimmer.
I agree with you about Peter Egan--his column is the main reason I still get R&T.
FWIW, "inside Rt 128" (Boston area) comprises so many different types of towns & neighborhoods, it's hard to generalize unless you go town by town. And I don't agree that Peter Egan (or anyone else from WI who's into cars) automatically has "nothing in common with anyone living inside Rt 128 driving a late model Bimmer."
How do you know--who has what in common--with a magazine writer, based only on their current zip code, & the one car you know they own?
Awww guys, you noticed! I feel so special, lol. Sorry about the no mention of Edmunds, although I'm sure I did mention it, he picked and chose what I said no doubt there.
I really wish Toyota had planned on coming out with a bigger truck along with the 1/2 ton. Something that could pull like a mule and ride like a Caddy. Ah well, my Dodge is pretty darn reliable, I just hate the ride, that's my only complaint.
I do feel that he was targeting HD truck owners which is kind of biased since the Toyota is a 1/2 ton. Of course HD truck buyers are not going to be super interested in a 1/2 ton truck. Now if Toyota comes out with a HD diesel, well, I'll be looking.......then again, I'm always looking, lol.
Three adults for the short hall would work, but I wouldn't do it for anything over 40 minutes or so. The car seat and adults could work. No matter what, I don't think any car under 180 inches could be that comfortable with three in back. Midsize cars are better suited for that.
That's what I meant to say actually...the width in this size class isn't condusive to three in the back seat for long periods of time, at least for adults. We also have a Mazda 3s and will be leaving for Thanksgiving lunch real soon and will have to fit three adults in the rear seat. Luckily, the ride wil only be about 25 minutes each way. That's why I would've liked a midsize car in our fleet instead of two small ones. But the whole family isn't home that much anymore to justify the larger car. Worse comes to worse, we take both cars.
Woodwwy, I realized much later that you might think I was referring to you with my comment about people driving leased Bimmers. I wasn't referring to you at all and I sincerely apologize if you thought I was. I also agree with you about the heterogeneity of cities and towns inside Rt 128 working against the validity of any generalizations.
FWIW, I gather from reading Eagan over the years that he lives modestly with his wife, a teacher, 10 or so miles out in the country from Madison, WI. He drives a big Ford window van, is into Brit cars and bikes and always has at least one restoration project going on which he works on every night in his garage. His best friend runs a foreign car repair garage. His essay about his return from Vietnam brought a flood of memories circa 1966 to me. Like you, he is the main reason why I read such a generalist magazine as R & T these days in the face of the proliferation of much more specialized (e.g., "911, Nothing Else Matters") periodicals.
No problem! I throw around a lot of opinions here myself that are often just the way I'm feeling about cars, or places, that week. It's amazing the way people "label" cars, & I'm as guilty of that as anyone.
I actually have saved Peter Egan articles from 15-20 years ago. I have my own Wisconsin stories too, mainly about going to a couple of Christmases there with my ex-G/F, taking multiple connecting flights from Boston, insane flight delays, 34 seat prop-planes late at night in bad weather, & always driving in blizzards where I got to see what various rental cars could do in foul weather.
Despite all that, the small-town, or rural, life sounds pretty good to me right now, probably why I've ranted about Yuppies & McMansions in my metro-boston area town a couple of times here. (I suppose I could move to one of the remaining working-class neighborhoods in Cambridge or Somerville & buy a 70's GM car). At least, reading columns about a guy driving his Jag E-type from WI to some small town in MI (or was it Canada?) helps to relieve the boredom, & provides good fantasy material.....
I remember ages ago, Consumer Reports once said that a good rule of thumb for a car to have good 3-across seating, you needed at least 57" of shoulder room.
So I don't think anything like a Honda Civic would ever have a decent back seat for 3 adults. But that's not to say that many bigger cars are any better. I have a buddy with a 2004 Crown Vic, and about the only way you're going to get more shoulder room than that is to go to a van, pickup, or SUV. However, the seats are really only contoured for two people. Try putting 3 people in there and the outer passengers are pushed towards the doors, and the shape of the seat backrest and the curvature of the doors and C-pillar forces them to lean inward. And the center passenger has to deal with a huge transmission hump and an ucomfortable, hard seating position.
I sat in the '06 Civics at auto shows, and was impressed with how comfy they felt. It was one of the few small cars that I could actually fit in back comfortably with the front seat all the way back. Still, I guess if you need 3-across seating, a Civic just ain't gonna cut it, now matter how comfy it is for two people.
I am very comfortable in my Civic's seats...front or back. Since my truck accident last year, I have constant, chronic pain and the seats in my old Sentra were like rocks...I had to sit on a pillow whenever I sat in it. The Civic is different, no more pillows for me. When I first test drove it, I knew this was the car for me. If it wasn't back friendly, I'd never have considered it.
That was one thing that impressed me about the seats too. They were SOOO comfy. I felt like I could drive it all day. And that was the coupe. The sedan is probably even more so. Funny thing is, last time I took the Accord for an oil change, my Honda dealer had exactly the car I was looking for. A silver stick NAV coupe. Figures. :mad:
Before I bought my TSX, I searched the whole durned country for this particular car. And it was just sitting there mocking me. It was a regular EX. I didn't really want an SI.
It sounds like my Eternal House-hunting Quest: a few weeks after I stop looking in a certain area or town out of frustration, if I go back online & check again, I see a great house at a great price. And when I contact the realtor, the house has just been Sold. If I drive by the house again, it's *just sitting there mocking me*, as you say.
Can anyone explain this phenomenom? I know that perseverance should overcome it, but it's only after I stop looking that the perfect house or car shows up.....& by then it's too late for me to buy it.....
On Thursday, my aunt and I were discussing the impending release of my cousin's new book. I mentioned that I was on the list to be notified when it was available, and hadn't heard anything yet. On Friday, I opened the mailbox to find he had sent me an autographed copy of all three of the books he's written. Just one of those weird coincidences.
Since we've decided to keep the Subaru and gift it to my son next June for his HS graduation, I decided to get permanent plates for it today.
Being a '92, I wasn't sure if it needed an emissions test in order to get plates, so I didn't do it and went right to the DMV. Nope, gotta have the emissions test .... durn! I'm pretty sure it won't pass with a missing exhaust pipe and a rusty muffler.
So, I decided to get another 60 day temp registration and deal with the muffler issue after the holidays.
Then, I get a bright idea. The local Dodge / Chrysler / Jeep / Ford / Lincoln / Mercury / Chevrolet / Pontiac / Buick / GMC / Hummer / Suzuki (whew!) dealer does this 'push, pull and drag' promotion where any car has a trade in value of $3500 if a used car is bought. So, I think to myself, "Self, perhaps you can find a decent $5-7K used car, use the $3500 trade in and get something a bit newer and less miles for not a lot of dough".
Yeah, right. The only car that 'sorta' fit my criteria was a Hyundai Accent (the only thing they told me about the car was that it had about 50K miles on it), which, they told me, was going to run about $7K after the trade in.
Yeah, and a few other 'minor' issues that need to be addressed, like the drivers door lock.
I'll get it all taken care of before I drive it to CA next June. Good thing was that there was no purchase price ... we inherited the car from my FIL, who passed away.
I've often wondered about that commercial, I see it all the time and I noticed at the end it states the trade must be disclosed prior to negotiations. So in other words, if they know you have a "trade" they start $3500 higher than they would if you didn't have a trade? :confuse:
Surely you have been around here long enough to know that if they are offering $3500 for any old vehicle then their used car prices have been bumped by that much, or more.
Yep, the trade has to be disclosed before negotiations begin, and the salesdude also told me that you had to finance a minimum of, I think, 10 grand in order to qualify. And I do understand that they artificially inflate the asking price of the used cars to compensate.
No matter ... I was just curious as to the details of how the offer works.
They do this to "help" people qualify for financing. The bigger your down payment, the better your chances of qualifying. A lot of times this is also done because people are so upside-down in their car loan, and they will never qualify for the next car if they aren't bought out. The banks don't seem to look too closely at the amount of the loan vs the value of the car, if you want to pay 11k for an 86 Yugo, they don't care as long as you can pay it back. I also bet the dealer is charging the maximum interest rate they can and they are making money off that as well.
Yeah, I agree with you all .. however, the article does state that they talked with a Hyundai engineer who confirmed the possibility of the car going that fast.
Anyway, it sure has been quiet here lately .. has nobody been looking at / drooling over / thinking about a new car?
I have a b-day coming up in a few weeks. DW made mention of getting out of her Civic and into something I really want...and can afford! I'd love to get back into a 4Runner, but we're also toying with the idea of moving to a larger home as we outgrew ours with just one pregnancy :surprise:
Yeah, I have to admit I've spent some time in the past couple of days looking at the on-line inventory of some of the 'premier' dealerships in the area (Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, Jaguar/Porsche, etc.), just to see if there are any screaming deals out there.
Nothing that I could see trading in my '03 Saturn L300 for .. 53K and clicking along with only 12 payments left. By this time next year I'll be like Andre and his Intrepid and have it paid off!
And, I was thinking about this on my drive into work this morning .. what features do I really use?
-> I was listening to the local AM radio news station; nice stereo - check -> Seat warmer on - 20 degree morning temps (well, below 0 last week) and leather do not make for a nice combination - check -> In the summer, I'll pop the sunroof to get some sunshine and fresh air - in fact, I used the 'vent' feature of the sunroof in the past couple of weeks - check -> Auto tranny to minimize commuting stress - check -> A/C for hot summer days - check -> Cruise control - check
Geez, I could probably get all of the above (except maybe the seat warmers) with a Hyundai Excel or Toyota Yaris.
Anyway, it sure has been quiet here lately .. has nobody been looking at / drooling over / thinking about a new car?
Still liking the CR-V. Rode in my roommate's again last night. The NAV models are supposed to be here in January, so I'm thinking I could order one after my final exams are over.
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IIRC you got the car before I got my new truck (before July?). I wish I only had 3650 on the odo, my truck turned 10,000 miles tonight!! Our other Ram isn't far behind, I think he's got around 9700 on it. We sure drive a lot, lol.
Got a question for everyone, why have some of the other forums on Edmunds gotten so nasty? I had to leave the Civic vs. Elantra forum because of the attitudes of certain posters. I alwys thought that these forums were supposed to be fun & friendly and not so sarcastic & nasty. Am I the only one who's noticed this negative turn?
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FWIW, my roommate has the same issue with her CR-V--the lit dashboard often fools her into thinking the headlights are on. I think she will get used to it, though.
That's what I thought. We got our trucks July 6th. We've had to drive them more lately because the old Ford wouldn't start. Fixed that problem yesterday, so the Rams should be able to get a little bit of a break, although the Ford can't tow the big trailers.
On another note, my 10 year old got her new horse yesterday and since the horse came up from the southern part of the state I had to run to town and buy a blanket. The poor horse doesn't have any winter coat and it was 24 below zero when she got her. Really nice little mare though, super sweet, polar opposite to our pony, he's a little snot.
In my neighborhood, one of the "most desirable" neighborhoods in one of the most expensive towns near Boston, most people have: minivans, toyo or Honda, Highlanders, an occasional Passat wagon, Accords, a couple of Subies. I think I've seen 2 Benz's in this neighborhood in the 20 years I've lived here, & 3 bmws besides mine (I'm talking cars owned by people who live in this neighborhood, not ones I see while driving around).
And all the $1 to $1.5 mil. McMansions, which are now 1/2 to 2/3 of the neighborhood. After a while you start to equate certain vehicles with this lame, yuppie, surburban white-bread stepford-existence (mini-vans & highlanders & the like).
And all of the people I've met, or read articles by in the Roundel, who own bmws, have been fairly sick car nuts, who are just obsessed with the performance aspects of bmws (you know, when your eyeballs turn into 2 bmw roundels).
But the CR-V sounds like an excellent vehicle, at a good price. Right now, I just read an article by Peter Egan in R&T about how he just bought a 2001 Porsche Boxter S & loves it. I can definitely see having one Practical vehicle, & another summer, "fun" car.....
cheers, woody
The '85 CRX my ex & I owned, we drove all over the US for years, it never broke, & I think we spent $100 in maintenence on. When we sold it, the answering machine almost broke because we got so many calls.....
I believe it, lol. Those CRX were/are popular cars, especially up here. A friend of ours had one and he loaned it out, it hit a moose, he bought a donor car with a bad engine and did a body swap on to his car. Darn thing is still going!
Another friend of ours had one years and years ago and they used it as a generator for the house. The car would run for 2 weeks on a tank of gas, then they would drive it to the gas station, fill it up, go home and plug back in. Used it like that for a couple years until it finally gave up.
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LOL, anymore I don't even blink at a $90 fill up, its just a fact of life. The diesels have been a major relief, especially hubby's since he traded in a V10.
He went from spending nearly $1000/month in gas to about $400 in diesel. His V10 averaged about 6-7 mpg, the Cummins hangs around 12-14 depending on what he's doing with it. If he's just driving empty it stays up around 15-16, towing drops it though. Not too shabby for a dually I don't think.
Our old Ford doesn't do too bad on mileage, its around 14-15 mpg last time we checked.
I am kicking around the idea of buying a small SUV or minivan for a run around vehicle. Something older and cheap, last van I had got well over 25 mpg. I kind of miss the Sebring and its 28 mpg. I also miss having a gas engine sometimes, diesels are slightly cranky in the cold and a lot less forgiving if they aren't plugged in.
I agree with you about Peter Egan--his column is the main reason I still get R&T.
FWIW, "inside Rt 128" (Boston area) comprises so many different types of towns & neighborhoods, it's hard to generalize unless you go town by town. And I don't agree that Peter Egan (or anyone else from WI who's into cars) automatically has "nothing in common with anyone living inside Rt 128 driving a late model Bimmer."
How do you know--who has what in common--with a magazine writer, based only on their current zip code, & the one car you know they own?
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I really wish Toyota had planned on coming out with a bigger truck along with the 1/2 ton. Something that could pull like a mule and ride like a Caddy. Ah well, my Dodge is pretty darn reliable, I just hate the ride, that's my only complaint.
I do feel that he was targeting HD truck owners which is kind of biased since the Toyota is a 1/2 ton. Of course HD truck buyers are not going to be super interested in a 1/2 ton truck. Now if Toyota comes out with a HD diesel, well, I'll be looking.......then again, I'm always looking, lol.
Can you fit three adults in the back seat of a civic? (or two adults and a child seat)?
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That's why I would've liked a midsize car in our fleet instead of two small ones. But the whole family isn't home that much anymore to justify the larger car. Worse comes to worse, we take both cars.
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FWIW, I gather from reading Eagan over the years that he lives modestly with his wife, a teacher, 10 or so miles out in the country from Madison, WI. He drives a big Ford window van, is into Brit cars and bikes and always has at least one restoration project going on which he works on every night in his garage. His best friend runs a foreign car repair garage. His essay about his return from Vietnam brought a flood of memories circa 1966 to me. Like you, he is the main reason why I read such a generalist magazine as R & T these days in the face of the proliferation of much more specialized (e.g., "911, Nothing Else Matters") periodicals.
I actually have saved Peter Egan articles from 15-20 years ago. I have my own Wisconsin stories too, mainly about going to a couple of Christmases there with my ex-G/F, taking multiple connecting flights from Boston, insane flight delays, 34 seat prop-planes late at night in bad weather, & always driving in blizzards where I got to see what various rental cars could do in foul weather.
Despite all that, the small-town, or rural, life sounds pretty good to me right now, probably why I've ranted about Yuppies & McMansions in my metro-boston area town a couple of times here. (I suppose I could move to one of the remaining working-class neighborhoods in Cambridge or Somerville & buy a 70's GM car). At least, reading columns about a guy driving his Jag E-type from WI to some small town in MI (or was it Canada?) helps to relieve the boredom, & provides good fantasy material.....
cheers, woody
So I don't think anything like a Honda Civic would ever have a decent back seat for 3 adults. But that's not to say that many bigger cars are any better. I have a buddy with a 2004 Crown Vic, and about the only way you're going to get more shoulder room than that is to go to a van, pickup, or SUV. However, the seats are really only contoured for two people. Try putting 3 people in there and the outer passengers are pushed towards the doors, and the shape of the seat backrest and the curvature of the doors and C-pillar forces them to lean inward. And the center passenger has to deal with a huge transmission hump and an ucomfortable, hard seating position.
I sat in the '06 Civics at auto shows, and was impressed with how comfy they felt. It was one of the few small cars that I could actually fit in back comfortably with the front seat all the way back. Still, I guess if you need 3-across seating, a Civic just ain't gonna cut it, now matter how comfy it is for two people.
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You didn't buy the silver stick NAV coupe? Is that an Si? How much is it?
It sounds like my Eternal House-hunting Quest: a few weeks after I stop looking in a certain area or town out of frustration, if I go back online & check again, I see a great house at a great price. And when I contact the realtor, the house has just been Sold. If I drive by the house again, it's *just sitting there mocking me*, as you say.
Can anyone explain this phenomenom? I know that perseverance should overcome it, but it's only after I stop looking that the perfect house or car shows up.....& by then it's too late for me to buy it.....
On Thursday, my aunt and I were discussing the impending release of my cousin's new book. I mentioned that I was on the list to be notified when it was available, and hadn't heard anything yet. On Friday, I opened the mailbox to find he had sent me an autographed copy of all three of the books he's written. Just one of those weird coincidences.
Being a '92, I wasn't sure if it needed an emissions test in order to get plates, so I didn't do it and went right to the DMV. Nope, gotta have the emissions test .... durn! I'm pretty sure it won't pass with a missing exhaust pipe and a rusty muffler.
So, I decided to get another 60 day temp registration and deal with the muffler issue after the holidays.
Then, I get a bright idea. The local Dodge / Chrysler / Jeep / Ford / Lincoln / Mercury / Chevrolet / Pontiac / Buick / GMC / Hummer / Suzuki (whew!) dealer does this 'push, pull and drag' promotion where any car has a trade in value of $3500 if a used car is bought. So, I think to myself, "Self, perhaps you can find a decent $5-7K used car, use the $3500 trade in and get something a bit newer and less miles for not a lot of dough".
Yeah, right. The only car that 'sorta' fit my criteria was a Hyundai Accent (the only thing they told me about the car was that it had about 50K miles on it), which, they told me, was going to run about $7K after the trade in.
Needless to say, I passed.
I'll get it all taken care of before I drive it to CA next June. Good thing was that there was no purchase price ... we inherited the car from my FIL, who passed away.
No matter ... I was just curious as to the details of how the offer works.
The banks don't seem to look too closely at the amount of the loan vs the value of the car, if you want to pay 11k for an 86 Yugo, they don't care as long as you can pay it back.
I also bet the dealer is charging the maximum interest rate they can and they are making money off that as well.
One little bump... he would be toast..
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Anyway, it sure has been quiet here lately .. has nobody been looking at / drooling over / thinking about a new car?
Wife still rolling her eyes, though... doesn't look good.
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Nothing that I could see trading in my '03 Saturn L300 for .. 53K and clicking along with only 12 payments left. By this time next year I'll be like Andre and his Intrepid and have it paid off!
And, I was thinking about this on my drive into work this morning .. what features do I really use?
-> I was listening to the local AM radio news station; nice stereo - check
-> Seat warmer on - 20 degree morning temps (well, below 0 last week) and leather do not make for a nice combination - check
-> In the summer, I'll pop the sunroof to get some sunshine and fresh air - in fact, I used the 'vent' feature of the sunroof in the past couple of weeks - check
-> Auto tranny to minimize commuting stress - check
-> A/C for hot summer days - check
-> Cruise control - check
Geez, I could probably get all of the above (except maybe the seat warmers) with a Hyundai Excel or Toyota Yaris.
And .. I've got you beat .. I've got a birthday coming up in a few days.
Still liking the CR-V. Rode in my roommate's again last night. The NAV models are supposed to be here in January, so I'm thinking I could order one after my final exams are over.