I just called my nearest Toyota dealer to ask about pricing for the 30k service on my 07 Camry. They told me it would be $425 plus tax! I am now thinking of just taking it to my local shop for an oil change, lube, rotation and general check-up.
Is there any real advantage to taking your car to a dealer for servicing, apart from the extra cash that goes in their pocket? In your experience, will a reputable shop that deals in American cars be able to service a Toyota with no problems?
Any decent shop can do it - VERY easy, nothing to really do except engine and cabin air filters, change oil and oil filter, visual inspections, rotate tires. In general, Toyotas are VERY easy to work on.
Just follow the service guide in your owner's manual - it tells what needs to be done and when.
Some will disagree, but I caution people to use only Toyota parts, which you can buy at your dealer or on line.
I did service work at the Toyota dealer I remember the 60K as being more involved, but 30K is only coolant and oil.
Doing it yourself is a good learning experience and sense of accomplishment. Is not hard but once you done it once it get a lot easier.
I can tell you the short thrift of how to remove the radiator drain plug and then how to fill it back up without overheating the engine.
Or take it to the quick change place they should not screw it up.I actually dont like the recklessness of some of the young mechanic that work there. My car was jacked up on the mudflaps the lugs were loose and the battery positive cover was missing This was originally just a tire change. It took me a long time to find another positive cover that fit my battery.
I pay attention to the small details on my car and a couple of them are the way the mudflaps sit on the car and the batterry positive cover when I open the hood.
On an '07 Camry, and most newer Toyotas, they use new coolant that does not need to be changed at 30K anymore - 100k is the first coolant change. I am not sure I would wait that long, but don't waste your money doing it at 30k.
The service always seemed to me a waste of money but it was the person with no mechanic skills who might worry about their car not running right who would drop down all that cash.
It made our day.
Ive been out of the business too long, but recently I been photographing the fluids and engine numbers out of the library service manuals to get back up to speed. I started with late model Toyota's. I yet to read them on my computer, but coolant going that long I never knew it. Its probably $400.00 now to change it.lol
Compare what the dealer wants to do to your owner's manual 30k schedule. You will find a lot of things the manual doesn't mention until much higher mileage (unless your use qualifies as severe.) Dealers make more money on service than on car sales which is why they recommend much more frequent service intervals than Toyota.
My son was quoted over $600 on 30k service for his Matrix a few years back while in college. He called me and we cut it down to less than half that and even then, there were a few items that probably could have waited another 15K miles.
At my oil change, the inspection sheet said keep an eye on the engine air filter. I had changed it myself less than a month earlier. I wondered if they even looked at it or just put that down because of the mileage.
I have a 2007 Camry with 78k miles on it and haven't had anything done to it except for regular oil changes and tire rotations and it's fine. No problems at all.
Your better than me. I neglect the tire rotation, but I keep my car aligned if it starts to pull one way or the other.
I just got a flier from the mechanic who did my smog. It list the 30K 60K90K 120K at one price. I hope somebody knows not to do everything he suggest every 30K. It includes the following; brake flush, tranny flush, power steering flush, coolant flush, differential flush.
My little old 87Toyota, I bought it from a lady who bought it brand new at the dealer where I would regularly service it. After 10 years I hadn't change the brake fluid or tranny fluid, differential fluid, power steering fluid, and never had problems with those components.
I parked the car and started tearing it apart. Cleaning the interior and insulating it. Removing the dash and under dash components like the AC systen evaporator,heater motor. Some foam on a door under the heater door is still there but the seal around the duct was gone. Its going to be warm in the winter and quiet too.
I made an appointment to have my vehicle serviced for the winter. At the time of the service, it will have about 38,000 miles. I will be doing a lot of dirving during the months of November and December, so I need this vehilce to be in "Top" condition.
The vehicle will be two (2) years old in January, and I have the original brakes and tires on the vehicle. Since 36,000 miles is equal to three (3) years of normal use, I am concerned about the condition of the battery, brakes and also the tires. (I do not want to get into a problem on a cold winter morning with a battery problem.) While I am not "hard of brakes," it would not surprise me if I needed front brakes on this vehicle, because I am getting near 40, 000 miles. I would rather have these installed prior to the winter, than have to deal with this issue during the busy winter season. I depend on my vehicle on a daily basis. (My vehicle is my office!)
I have asked my Service Advisor to have the technicians to go over the entire vehicle in order to make sure I am ready for winter driving! ------- Part of this service is an oil and filter change. My dealer recommends that an additive called BG / MOA be put into the oil. I have this added into the oil at every oil and filter change.
The Camry is presently performing GREAT! ---- No problems with the transmission, and I am getting easily 30mpg on the highway at 55 - to - 65 mph using "off-brand" 87 octane fuel.
Now that the weather is starting to get colder in New Jersey, I make it apoint to warm up my vehicle prior to starting my day. This allows me to clear the windows of frost, and in the process, get the engine up to operating temperature. (I know that this is not necessary, but I find it very hard to see through the windows covered in frost! I also want to do my part to increase "Global Warming"!!!! {Joke}.
Best regards to all! ----- Have a GREAT Day! ----- Dwayne :shades:
Dwayne, why is it when I read your bogs and before I get to the bottom of the page I know it is you who wrote them. I don't understand why you are always pushing service. You are not making any of us who have been going through many problems with the camry feel any better. You seem to always be making a case for the dealership than the consumer? Congratulations for having the only V-6 out there without any problems!
Kindly be advised that I not pushing service! ------ Rather, I am just sharing how I maintain my vehicle, and the results that I am getting (MPG) because of my self-designed maintenance schedule.
I paid a lot of money for this vehicle, and I like to maintain it in a pristine manner. That goal translates into using Toyota parts and fluids, so as such, I take it to the selling dealer for service. I want my vehicle to run like new right up to 100,000 miles. After 100,000 miles it is history for me! ----- (I will most probably trade it after four years. At that time it will have at least 90,000 miles.)
I guess I am lucky because I have an outstanding Toyota dealer in New Jersey and my vehicle is trouble free. (No I do not work for Toyota, rather, I sell a line of high quality pleasure boats, so I have nothing to gain or lose by writing about my vehicle.)
I would like to know how many 2007 Toyota XLE V6 Camrys were produced and sold in the United States, and out of that number, how many vehicles have the famous transmission issue? -------- I would bet that it is less than 10%! ----- QUESTION: ---- Why don't we hear from the Toyota owners who have vehicles that are operating properly? -------- ANSWER: ---- These sites attract people who have problems, and there is nothing wrong with that fact! ----- But on the other side of the issue, there are vehicles out there that are trouble free! -------- Personally, I think Toyota should fix the problems with those vehicles that have issues! That would be the professional thing to do, and it build a positive reputation for their product line!
Since I have a Toyota Extended Warranty on this vehicle for 6 years 100,000 miles, should this vehicle develop a transmission issue, I could care less! --- All my service records are in one location, (at the selling dealer), and I would simply give them my vehicle, pick up my loaner and be on my way! ----- Let them figure it all out! -------- Prior to picking up my vehicle after the repair, I would take it out for a test ride. If it was not right, I would leave the vehicle and keep the loaner until it is right! ---------- (Remember, I started out with a good running vehicle, so they cannot tell me that they all operated like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Hasn't Toyota admitted, basically, that ALL DBW Toyota's with sideways mounted engines have the "famous" transmission problem, 1-2 second sequential downshift delay..?? The TSB's and the NCF (New Car Features) statements certainly imply so.
I doubt that Toyota has admitted to a problem. Perhaps they've acknowledged that downshifts are slower on DBW vehicles.
You said in a post many months ago that driving style affected downshift crispness. I find that to be the case with my HL and Camry (both with 3.3L and 5 sp auto). Depending on throttle position when a downshift is "requested," sometimes the shift is almost immediate, other times there is a noticeable lag. In 8 years of total driving with these two vehicles, there have only been a handful of instances when I really needed a faster downshift. It's a "problem" that I can live with.
The conditions under which you may need quick and certain acceleration are pretty much unpredictable.
The conditions under which a 1-2 second downshift delay will occur are predictable but not in any way to prevent an accident that was otherwsie avoidable were you able to quickly accelerate predictably.
Good Morning All: I will be taking the Camry into the dealer on Dec. 23 for a 40,000 mile oil & filter service. --- ( I will be doing a lot of driving over the holiday.) ---- The vehicle will be two years old in January. To date, I do not have any problems with this vehicle. On the highway, with 87 octane fuel, I get 30 mpg. I use "name brand" and / or "off brand fuel," and I still get the same mileage. (NO, I do not work for Toyota or a Toyota dealer! I was just lucky to get a great running vehicle.)
Good morning all: My vehicle now has 41,205 miles. To date, this vehicle has been trouble free! Last week I traveled to PA, and the vehicle gave me an average of 30mpg on the highway with 87 octane off-brand gasoline!
On Tuesday, I stopped at the dealer and I ordered two new tires for the Camry. They will be installed at the next service, which will be on Feb. 27. At that time, I will have a four wheel alignment done to protect my tire investment. (I also asked the dealer to be sure that the new tires had a current production date. I do not want new tires that are years old!)
I enjoy driving this vehicle, and I am looking forward to my next Camry, (possibly a 2010). By this time next year, I will have a least 60,000 miles on the vehicle if not a little more. That would be an excellent time to explore the "possibility" of a trade for a new vehicle. ----- If the "numbers are right," I will do the deal. ----- If the "number are not right," I will keep the Camry till 100,000 miles, or I will look at another brand name, possibly a Chevrolet Impala, (if I can find the trim level in New Jersey that I want! ---- I WILL NOT ORDER A VEHICLE FROM THE FACTORY.) Best regards to all! ------------ Dwayne :shades:
You may want to investigate the new Impala now. Lady accross the street just bought a left over 08 with all the rebates for almost 1/2 off. I couldn't believe it until she showed me her paperwork.
Good Morning dmathews3: You make an excellent point, ---- but I still have one year of payments left on the Camry, and before I purchase a vehicle from the "BIG THREE," I want to be sure that they will be "in business" to give me warranty service after the purchase for at least three (3) years! I would love to go back to a vehicle produced by either GM or Ford. (Chrysler is another story!------)
Yes, I to would like nothing better than going back to being a fan of Ford.
But for that to happen they need to:
A) "Clone" (adopt..??) the CX-7, adapt it to the RDX' SH-AWD system and use the FEH/MMH/tribute hybrid drive system.
or:
"Clone" the Lexus LS/h but using the GS/h's more FE hybrid drive system but with the engine revised to DFI and Atkinson cycle, maybe even "option" the RDX' F/AWD or the GS's R/AWD system.
Otherwise my next purchase will be the new 2010 RX350, providing its new F/awd system is more closely equivalent to the SH-AWD.
My 2007 Camry CE with 2.4 4cyl engine makes a slight engine noise (knock) every morning when it's cold (around 18 to 28f ). It's noticeable during idle and mild acceleration, until the engine is fully warmed up. Then it's barely noticeable when the needle at the temp gauge is almost at the middle. It sounds like a valve noise or a slight knock. I know that the sound is not coming from any where outside the engine (i.e drive belts, alt, or a/c compressor.) Oil has been changed regularly since new at the dealer every 4-5k miles, then I switched to mobil 1 synthetic 5-20 since 32,000 miles (I still change the oil every 4-5k miles) because I have read in this forum about the sludge issues that toyota engines have encountered and wanted to have the extra protection that synthetic offers. It now has 46,000 miles.
I'm wondering if I should wait until the noise worsens so I could let the dealer hear it because they might just ignore me or say that it's "normal" when I go there especially when it only happens during cold starts and it would be fully warmed up when I get there. I have an extended warranty of up to 75,000 miles.
Hopefully somebody out there could give me a good advice and shed some light on this matter if you have experienced the same symptoms.
Well, I wouldn't listen to what that other guy told you about "laws" requiring "thinner" oil. Manufacturers specify which engine oil viscosity to use based on engine performance, longevity, AND fuel economy. Synthetic oil isn't necessary, but certainly won't degrade performance. You are using the correct viscosity specified by Toyota.
How do you know the noise isn't from the drive belts or accessories? If the noise is slight and sounds like marbles rattling in a can, you might try a different brand of gasoline or even a higher octane grade to see if it goes away. But light knocking under load is considered normal, so you don't have to keep using gas with octane ratings above 87.
If it's valve noise, or what I call "clatter," this is not unusual on cold startup, because the oil sitting in the pan needs a few seconds to get up into the valve area.
However, it's hard to make a diagnosis on the internet. You could leave your car at the dealer the night before (most places have a "night drop" past business hours) and have them cold start the car the next morning. Obviously, you'll need someone to get you to and from the dealer's location.
I bought my 07 Camry XLE in Oct 2006. From the very 1st oil change something was wrong. Shy of 1,000 miles for oil change when making turns the dash would flash a msg which read "Low Oil Pressure". I informed the DCH Tech about the flash message. Nothing was done. Each time the car was due for an oil change I made mention of the message flash on the dash when I made turns and only when the car was around 1,000 miles short of an oil change. In March 2009 I took my car to my local mechanic to change the breaks (yes I use genuine toyota parts). On my way I made a turn and the flash message low oil pressure lit my dash. When my mechanic finished the brakes he checked the oil it was empty. It's routine for the mechanic to check the fluids before returning the car to its owner. We authorized him to put oil in, 3 quarts total.
My maintenance light came on just last Thursday, April 9, 2009. The breaks were changed on March 21, 2009. On Friday, April 10, 2009 I took the car in to DCH for oil change and told them about the message flashed on the dash, but this time also that my mechanic put 3 qrt of oil and showed the tech the reciept. I told the tech that I've been telling DCH techs each time the car was due for an oil change and nothing was done since. Now they finally payed attention and duly noted that there could be a problem. I was told the pan plug was marked to assure no one tampers with it and I should return the car w/in 500 miles for an oil consumption test. I took the car in today 04/21/2009 and finally they found a problem. The car was in deed consuming more oil than the manufactures recommendations and they would need to open the engine to fix the problem.
I received a call a few hours later and was told there is a Internal Problem with the Short Block and it would need to be rebuild.
Is this normal for a Short Block on the engine to go bad so fast. (less than 50K miles). I would expect the short block to go bad on a car with over 150K miles and poor maintenance record.
Anyone out there experience this same problem? What makes a Short Block go bad so early? Anyone, Someone, Please let me know. Thank you.
I-4 or V6 engine? In either case, you just have very bad luck - this is not at all normal. Like anything mechanical, it is subject to have a problem. Your problem is extremely rare, and was the result of a manufacturing defect. I know the I4 engine can go 200,000 + miles easy with no problems (it is the same as the 2002-2006 I-4 Camry engine). I am sure the V6 is also great - I don't recall reading about any short block problems with it.
I have worked in manufacturing all my life (although not automotive) and there are occasionally defects no matter how good the quality control is.
Fortunately, they will repair it under warranty and give you a free loaner. You should be fine after that.
Another advantage of DIY oil/filer changes, I always get to see how much oil I have drained from the engine. Measure would be more accurate, as I always pour the oil from my drain pan into the now emply containers until the comes for the trip to the recycle center.
Because of the way dealers drain the oil the fact that your engine didn't have enough left could have gone un-noticed even if a competent mechanic had been doing the routine, repetitive scheduled maintenance procedures, that day rather then the typical McD "flipper" graduate.
But your statement to them should have most certainly meant a "heads up" to somebody.
1.) How often do you change your oil and filter? 2.) What oil are you putting into the engine?
I have a 2007 V6 Camry with almost 48000 miles. I change the oil and filter every 2,500 miles, and I check the oil once a week. I have NEVER added any oil to this engine, even on long highway trips! You could be leaking oil! I just had an exterior oil line replaced as part of an extended warranty repair!
OIl change every 3500-4000 miles. No sign of oil leaks. The manual that comes with the Camry states that the engine can use oil. I have had the dealer document that the engine is using one quart of oil for every 1400 miles of driving. Toyota says this is normal??? Because Toyota has it stated in the car manual, I am stuck with the car. So, I check the oil level and add as needed. Lesson: read the car manual before you buy a new car, especially a Toyota product. Car now has 30k on it.
Thirty years ago, burning a quart every 1000 miles or so was typical so that became the norm. Today's engines are so much tighter, many don't even burn a quart in the 3-5000 change interval. However, those that do are still considered normal by just about all the manufacturers. You just happen to get an engine whose oil consumption is on the left side of the bell shaped curve. An inconvenience perhaps, but not really a big deal.
QUESTIONS: 1.) When did the engine start to use oil? 2.) You stated that you now have 30,000 miles on the vehicle. Did the engine use oil from day one? 3.) Does the Toyota Dealer do all of your oil & filter changes? 4.) What kind of oil are they installing in the engine?
NOTE: I live in N.J., and my Toyota Dealer recommends an oil additive (BG / MOA) to be used in the oil. I have been using this product since day one. ----------- (I know Toyota DOES NOT recommend an oil additive, but on the other side of the issue, Toyota engines in the past have had a "sludge issue!") --------- When I pull the dip-stick to check the oil, my oil is as clean as the first day that I picked up the vehicle at the dealership. ----------- I change my oil and filter every 2500 miles. (I know that Toyota recommends 5,000 mile intervals, but again, their engines had a "sludge issue" in the past!) I would like to know how many 2007 V6 Camry owners are having this problem!
My 2007 Camry 4cyl LE has consumed oil from day one. I first checked oil at 1500 miles. 2 quarts low. since them about one quart for every 1400 miles of driving. Oil changed by dealer and Firestone. Put in 5W-20W. Toyota says if the engine uses one quart of oil for 1200 miles or less it indicates an engine repair. Dealer documented car uses one quart of oil approximately every 1400 miles of driving. The owners manual puts the responsibility on the owner to check the oil levels. Toyota will not do anything for me at this time.
Perhaps the type of oil that is used makes the difference considering one has a 4cyl engine which uses 5w-20 (bob's) and the other 6cyl which uses 5w-30 (Dwayne's). I have a 2007 camry ce 4cyl that uses a qt of oil every 3500-4000 miles. The other thing that I'm worried about is that it makes a little tapping noise when it's not at operating temp every morning (I don't drive hard) when I accelerate. Anyway, wouldn't the oil consumption of bob's camry foul the catalytic converter and other emission parts faster.... perhaps immediately after the warranty that makes it harder for 'us', the users?
Hi Tony108: I do not know what viscosity oil the dealership is using in my 2007 V6 Camry. ------- Let's assume that it is 5w-30. QUESTIONS: --- What would happen if this was used in bob's 4 cylinder engine? ----- What would happen if one quart of 5w-30 was subsituted for one quart of 5w-20 at the next oil & filter change? ----- Is it possible, that the fuel injection system is diluting the oil with extra fuel thus causing the oil to be consumed? Best regards: ------ Dwayne :shades: :confuse:
I received this letter after contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc
By way of explanation, the engine of a motor vehicle consists of a collection of moving parts which require lubrication in order to keep working. Engine oil is pumped under pressure around the major bearings and allowed to lubricate other parts such as pistons and vales with a very thin film. These parts are in close proximity to the combustion chamber where air and fuel are burned. As the engine runs, some of this oil will find its way into the combustion chamber and be burned along with fuel, this is normal. The engine is designed to consume some engine oil as part of everyday operation.. The amount of oil consumed will vary depending on driving conditions and other factors including engine wear.
"A maximum limit for oil consumption is one quart per 1200 miles of driving" If a vehicle consumes more oil than this under normal conditions, it is likely to require repairs.
I can understand your disappointment with this vehicle. ------ Do you have an extended warranty on this vehicle? I have a 6 year 100,000 mile "top of the line Toyota warranty" on my V6 Camry. ---- Recently, my dealer replaced an exterior oil line under this extended warranty at about 46,000 miles. ------ If you intend to keep this vehicle, I would put a Toyota extended warranty on this vehicle for the maximum number of years & mileage. This oil problem is going to be a major problem as the mileage increases. ---- The extended warranty was $1600.00 at the time of the vehicle purchase. The oil line replacement was a $260.00 repair, and the warranty covered it! I am sure that before I reach 100,000 miles I will have additional repairs, so as such, I expect to break even with the cost of the warranty!
I have 53000 on my 2007 Camry and I've experienced hesitation when I accellerate since I purchased the car in Nov. 06. I had the injectors cleaned at 30K miles and it seamed to clear it up some, but it came back after a short time. Has anyone been able to correct the problem?
The people that buy these Toyota auto mobile need to do some research first before their buy any auto mobile. Let me give you some facts about Toyota Automobile.
Nearly all the models of automobile that Toyota manufacture up to 2007 have developed SLUDGE. To get more information on sludge go to consumeraffairs.com. This sludge problem that near all Toyota and Lexus Automobile have developed was broadcast on the TV News. Dateline is a program on NBC TV in New York City. They did a one hour program on Toyota Automobiles developing sludge. Consumer Affairs have a list of some of the models and year of Toyota and Lexus Automobile that have developed sludge. People with automobile that is not on the Consumers Affairs List have develope sludge. On the Consumer Affairs Website people with all make and models and year up to 2007 of Toyota and Lexus Automobile have posted the sludge problem there that their Toyota and Lexus automobile have developed. The problem with nearly all Toyota and Lexus Automobile up to 2007 is that their automobiles are consuming oil. People driving NEW Toyota and Lexus Automobile notice that the OIL LIGHT on their automobile dash board flickers a few seconds after this OIL LIGHT flickers THEIR AUTOMOBILE BLOWS THE ENGINE. People started returning these Toyota and Lexus Automobile by the hundreds of thousands to the Toyota and Lexus Dealers where they had purchased their automobile. People with warranty on their automobile, Toyota would not repair these people automobile. Toyota Warranty Inspector charges six hudred dollars ($600.00) to remove the valve pan to check the people automobile for sludge weather they want to repair it or not. To replace a Toyota Corrola engine with a REBUILT ENGINE it will cost the automobile onwer OVER eight thousand dollars ($8000.00). To replace a Toyota Camry engine with REBUILT ENGINE this REBILT ENGINE will cost the automobile onwer over twelve thousand dollars ($12000.00).When hundreds of thousand of people started to returning these Toyota and Lexus Automobile with blown engine to these dealers. These dealers told these people the reason why their automobile blown the engine is that it is their fault. Over three point five million (3.5 million) PEOPLE TOOK TOYOTA TO COURT. The Kentucky and the Louisiana Court rule that Toyota must repair the people automobile and also extend the warranty, refurn the money that people had paided to repair any problem related to sludge in their automobiles. THE COURT ALSO RULE THAT 7.5 MILLION PEOPLE IS ALLOW TO TAKE TOYOTA TO COURT AGAIN. Toyota had settled in court of law in 2007. Toyota had never told their automobile dealers that nearly all their automobile included Lexus up to 2007 had this sludge problem. WHY TOYOTA AUTOMOBILE DEVELOPING SLUDGE. Toyota said that people taking short trips with their automobile will cause the automobile to develope sludge. In nearly every Toyota and Lexus Automobile that blows their engine, these people are drive their automobiles on the highway for example thirty to sixty miles a day. TOYOTA SAID THEY RESTRICTED THE NORMAL AMOUNT OF ANTIFREEZE THAT THE AUTOMOBILE NEEDS TO KEEP THE ENGINE COOL. By restricting the antifreeze going into the engine this causes the cylinders to operate at a higher temperature. Operating the automobile cylinders at a higher temperature this higher temperature increases their automobile gas millage. THE AUTOMOBILE ENGINE NOW OPERATING AT A HIGHER TEMPERATURE, THIS HIGHER TEMPERATURE CAUSE THE OIL IN THE ENGINE TO TURN IN TO GREASE OR SLUDGE. The holes in the engine where the oil have to pass is slowly being block up. The hot oil that goes on top the engine to lubricating the valves and camshaft. THAT OIL WOULD TURN INTO GREASE OR SLUDGE ON THE VALVES AND CAMSHAFT AND IT WILL NOT RETURN TO THE OIL PAN. THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO KEEP ADDING OIL TO THE ENGINE. Even if you keep adding oil to the engine, the holes in the engine where the oil passes would become block and the engine cannot be lubricated any more and this is when the automobile blows the engine. HERE IS THE COURT CASE NUMBER IN CALLIFORNIA FOR THE TOYOTA AVALON 0905111933. Brand new Toyota Avalon 2006 with 33000 miles or less some may have 50000 miles KEEP BLOWING THEIR ENGINES. One owner who lives in New Jersey who drove a 2006 Toyota Avalon with 33000 miles. This car blown its engine at 33000 miles. This Toyota Avalon car has warranty but Toyota would no repair this person car. Toyota told him that to replace the blown engine it would cost in excess of $13000.00. This person owes $9000.00 on this car. If you have to buy any four cylender car or six cylender car. If you will drive this car on the high alott or if you will be putting 30 miles to 60 miles a day onto this car, buy this car form General Motors. You will get a 100000 miles warranty or five years. General Motors said that if you encounter a problem with this car you can return it to any General Motors dealers. General Motors will pay for the parts and the dealer will pay for the labour. General Motors have the technology and they build their cars chassis and body heavy. Go to the United States of Anerica Department of Energy and you will see the city and highway gass millage for any car. You will see that any General Motors Car beat any 4, 6 or 8 Cylender Honda,Toyota or any other make car for gass millage on the highway. Toyota Camry 4 cylender 2009 will give you 28 miles a gallon on the highway. The chevy Malibu will give you 33 miles a gallon on the highway.
And search for Charlene Blake, cblake, and you'll find quite a bit of discussion about this problem. There had been a push by some to squelch discussion and even remove postings from other forums which Blake mentions occasionally. If you search for the words sludge, engine, toyota, you'll find lots of info.
>There had been a push by some to squelch discussion and even remove postings...?
Strange you don't believe it. I searched the net and found the repeated posts, concerted effort was there. Indeed one of the posters on edmunds was a part of it. However the topic must threaten some folks or they would just scroll on past the post instead of trying to belittle the poster as "still pushing that line."
Sorry, but I feel compelled as a completely satisfied Toyota owner to call you out whenever you bring out the same tired old canard. The poster before you was a one-hit wonder. Sludge occurred on some Toyotas, model year 2002 or earlier. I had one -- it didn't sludge.
From my reading of the situation, only a small percentage sludged; yes, there was an apparent design defect, but it seemed it was exacerbated by those who waited too long to change their oil (typically short-trip drivers). 2010 cars are hitting the streets now; It's time to move on.
On Edmunds at least, the sludge forum, reopened after the class-action court settlement was announced, was closed a few months later because it had devolved to name calling, ending with one last taunt by a fervant GM supporter (not you). I favored the closure -- nothing of substance was being said any longer. The hosts agreed -- I certainly had no clout to close it myself.
My Camrys are running just fine, not sitting on blocks in the back yard with sludge. I assume your Buicks are too?
lmidazoL97, you need to get more current and more up-to date information on the latest model and year of DEFECTIVE TOYOTA AUTOMOBILES. You had mentioned that only Toyota Automobile below 2000 were developing sludge. You are wrong. Go to consumersaffairs.com and you will see Toyota Automobiles CONTINUES TO BLOW THEIR ENGINES this includes Toyota Camry 2006 that have millage between 34000 miles and 40000 miles.
Who Pays $12000.00 To Fine Out If A Brand New Toyota Camry 2006 Will Develope Sludge?
A guy who Loved Toyota Camry did not want to belived that a brand new Toyota Camry 2006 will develope Sludge. This guy SAID that he purchased a brand new Toyota Camry 2006. He SAID that he new that Toyota Automobile were developing sludge. He SAID that he is going to use Mobile One Oil in his brand new Toyota Camry 2006. Mobile One has an oil that guaranties 15000 miles. If this Mobile One Oil causes any parts to fail in your car Mobile One Oil will replace the part or parts free. This guy started to use Mobile One Oil in his brand new Toyota Camry 2006. When his brand new Toyota Camry 2006 had a millage between 34000 miles to 40000 miles his brand new Toyota Camry BLEW ITS ENGINE. He SAID that he had changed the oil in his brand new Toyota Camry 2006 as the manufacture recommends. He returned his brand new Toyota Camry 2006 to the Toyota Dealer where he had purchased it. The Toyota Dealer said that the reason that the engine in his brand new Toyota Camry BLEW, because it is his fault. Toyota SAID that the engine in his Toyota Camry 2006 which has between 34000 miles and 40000 miles will COST HIM $12000.00 to have this engine replace. THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE WAY TO LEARN ABOUT TOYOTA DEFECTIVE AUTOMOBILE WHICH ALSO INCLUDES LEXUS.
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How were you able to turn off VSC? I have a 2007 Camry with VSC. I thought it wasn't possible on the 2007?
RSB
Is there any real advantage to taking your car to a dealer for servicing, apart from the extra cash that goes in their pocket? In your experience, will a reputable shop that deals in American cars be able to service a Toyota with no problems?
Thank you,
Peter
Just follow the service guide in your owner's manual - it tells what needs to be done and when.
Some will disagree, but I caution people to use only Toyota parts, which you can buy at your dealer or on line.
Doing it yourself is a good learning experience and sense of accomplishment. Is not hard but once you done it once it get a lot easier.
I can tell you the short thrift of how to remove the radiator drain plug and then how to fill it back up without overheating the engine.
Or take it to the quick change place they should not screw it up.I actually dont like the recklessness of some of the young mechanic that work there. My car was jacked up on the mudflaps the lugs were loose and the battery positive cover was missing This was originally just a tire change. It took me a long time to find another positive cover that fit my battery.
I pay attention to the small details on my car and a couple of them are the way the mudflaps sit on the car and the batterry positive cover when I open the hood.
It made our day.
Ive been out of the business too long, but recently I been photographing the fluids and engine numbers out of the library service manuals to get back up to speed. I started with late model Toyota's. I yet to read them on my computer, but coolant going that long I never knew it. Its probably $400.00 now to change it.lol
My son was quoted over $600 on 30k service for his Matrix a few years back while in college. He called me and we cut it down to less than half that and even then, there were a few items that probably could have waited another 15K miles.
At my oil change, the inspection sheet said keep an eye on the engine air filter. I had changed it myself less than a month earlier. I wondered if they even looked at it or just put that down because of the mileage.
I just got a flier from the mechanic who did my smog. It list the 30K 60K90K 120K at one price. I hope somebody knows not to do everything he suggest every 30K. It includes the following; brake flush, tranny flush, power steering flush, coolant flush, differential flush.
My little old 87Toyota, I bought it from a lady who bought it brand new at the dealer where I would regularly service it. After 10 years I hadn't change the brake fluid or tranny fluid, differential fluid, power steering fluid, and never had problems with those components.
My climate here is warm and dry.
I'll do a blog on some of the progress.
I made an appointment to have my vehicle serviced for the winter. At the time of the service, it will have about 38,000 miles. I will be doing a lot of dirving during the months of November and December, so I need this vehilce to be in "Top" condition.
The vehicle will be two (2) years old in January, and I have the original brakes and tires on the vehicle. Since 36,000 miles is equal to three (3) years of normal use, I am concerned about the condition of the battery, brakes and also the tires. (I do not want to get into a problem on a cold winter morning with a battery problem.) While I am not "hard of brakes," it would not surprise me if I needed front brakes on this vehicle, because I am getting near 40, 000 miles. I would rather have these installed prior to the winter, than have to deal with this issue during the busy winter season. I depend on my vehicle on a daily basis. (My vehicle is my office!)
I have asked my Service Advisor to have the technicians to go over the entire vehicle in order to make sure I am ready for winter driving! ------- Part of this service is an oil and filter change. My dealer recommends that an additive called BG / MOA be put into the oil. I have this added into the oil at every oil and filter change.
The Camry is presently performing GREAT! ---- No problems with the transmission, and I am getting easily 30mpg on the highway at 55 - to - 65 mph using "off-brand" 87 octane fuel.
Now that the weather is starting to get colder in New Jersey, I make it apoint to warm up my vehicle prior to starting my day. This allows me to clear the windows of frost, and in the process, get the engine up to operating temperature. (I know that this is not necessary, but I find it very hard to see through the windows covered in frost! I also want to do my part to increase "Global Warming"!!!! {Joke}.
Best regards to all! ----- Have a GREAT Day! ----- Dwayne :shades:
Congratulations for having the only V-6 out there without any problems!
Have a great day!
Kindly be advised that I not pushing service! ------ Rather, I am just sharing how I maintain my vehicle, and the results that I am getting (MPG) because of my self-designed maintenance schedule.
I paid a lot of money for this vehicle, and I like to maintain it in a pristine manner. That goal translates into using Toyota parts and fluids, so as such, I take it to the selling dealer for service. I want my vehicle to run like new right up to 100,000 miles. After 100,000 miles it is history for me! ----- (I will most probably trade it after four years. At that time it will have at least 90,000 miles.)
I guess I am lucky because I have an outstanding Toyota dealer in New Jersey and my vehicle is trouble free. (No I do not work for Toyota, rather, I sell a line of high quality pleasure boats, so I have nothing to gain or lose by writing about my vehicle.)
I would like to know how many 2007 Toyota XLE V6 Camrys were produced and sold in the United States, and out of that number, how many vehicles have the famous transmission issue? -------- I would bet that it is less than 10%! ----- QUESTION: ---- Why don't we hear from the Toyota owners who have vehicles that are operating properly? -------- ANSWER: ---- These sites attract people who have problems, and there is nothing wrong with that fact! ----- But on the other side of the issue, there are vehicles out there that are trouble free! -------- Personally, I think Toyota should fix the problems with those vehicles that have issues! That would be the professional thing to do, and it build a positive reputation for their product line!
Since I have a Toyota Extended Warranty on this vehicle for 6 years 100,000 miles, should this vehicle develop a transmission issue, I could care less! --- All my service records are in one location, (at the selling dealer), and I would simply give them my vehicle, pick up my loaner and be on my way! ----- Let them figure it all out! -------- Prior to picking up my vehicle after the repair, I would take it out for a test ride. If it was not right, I would leave the vehicle and keep the loaner until it is right! ---------- (Remember, I started out with a good running vehicle, so they cannot tell me that they all operated like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Best regards: Dwayne :shades:
You said in a post many months ago that driving style affected downshift crispness. I find that to be the case with my HL and Camry (both with 3.3L and 5 sp auto). Depending on throttle position when a downshift is "requested," sometimes the shift is almost immediate, other times there is a noticeable lag. In 8 years of total driving with these two vehicles, there have only been a handful of instances when I really needed a faster downshift. It's a "problem" that I can live with.
As will most.
But.
The conditions under which you may need quick and certain acceleration are pretty much unpredictable.
The conditions under which a 1-2 second downshift delay will occur are predictable but not in any way to prevent an accident that was otherwsie avoidable were you able to quickly accelerate predictably.
I will be taking the Camry into the dealer on Dec. 23 for a 40,000 mile oil & filter service. --- ( I will be doing a lot of driving over the holiday.) ---- The vehicle will be two years old in January. To date, I do not have any problems with this vehicle. On the highway, with 87 octane fuel, I get 30 mpg. I use "name brand" and / or "off brand fuel," and I still get the same mileage. (NO, I do not work for Toyota or a Toyota dealer! I was just lucky to get a great running vehicle.)
Best regards! --------- Dwayne :shades:
My vehicle now has 41,205 miles. To date, this vehicle has been trouble free! Last week I traveled to PA, and the vehicle gave me an average of 30mpg on the highway with 87 octane off-brand gasoline!
On Tuesday, I stopped at the dealer and I ordered two new tires for the Camry. They will be installed at the next service, which will be on Feb. 27. At that time, I will have a four wheel alignment done to protect my tire investment. (I also asked the dealer to be sure that the new tires had a current production date. I do not want new tires that are years old!)
I enjoy driving this vehicle, and I am looking forward to my next Camry, (possibly a 2010). By this time next year, I will have a least 60,000 miles on the vehicle if not a little more. That would be an excellent time to explore the "possibility" of a trade for a new vehicle. ----- If the "numbers are right," I will do the deal. ----- If the "number are not right," I will keep the Camry till 100,000 miles, or I will look at another brand name, possibly a Chevrolet Impala, (if I can find the trim level in New Jersey that I want! ---- I WILL NOT ORDER A VEHICLE FROM THE FACTORY.)
Best regards to all! ------------ Dwayne :shades:
You make an excellent point, ---- but I still have one year of payments left on the Camry, and before I purchase a vehicle from the "BIG THREE," I want to be sure that they will be "in business" to give me warranty service after the purchase for at least three (3) years!
I would love to go back to a vehicle produced by either GM or Ford. (Chrysler is another story!------)
Best Regards! --------------- Dwayne :shades:
But for that to happen they need to:
A) "Clone" (adopt..??) the CX-7, adapt it to the RDX' SH-AWD system and use the FEH/MMH/tribute hybrid drive system.
or:
Otherwise my next purchase will be the new 2010 RX350, providing its new F/awd system is more closely equivalent to the SH-AWD.
My 2007 Camry CE with 2.4 4cyl engine makes a slight engine noise (knock) every morning when it's cold (around 18 to 28f ). It's noticeable during idle and mild acceleration, until the engine is fully warmed up. Then it's barely noticeable when the needle at the temp gauge is almost at the middle. It sounds like a valve noise or a slight knock. I know that the sound is not coming from any where outside the engine (i.e drive belts, alt, or a/c compressor.) Oil has been changed regularly since new at the dealer every 4-5k miles, then I switched to mobil 1 synthetic 5-20 since 32,000 miles (I still change the oil every 4-5k miles) because I have read in this forum about the sludge issues that toyota engines have encountered and wanted to have the extra protection that synthetic offers. It now has 46,000 miles.
I'm wondering if I should wait until the noise worsens so I could let the dealer hear it because they might just ignore me or say that it's "normal" when I go there especially when it only happens during cold starts and it would be fully warmed up when I get there. I have an extended warranty of up to 75,000 miles.
Hopefully somebody out there could give me a good advice and shed some light on this matter if you have experienced the same symptoms.
thanks,
tony
How do you know the noise isn't from the drive belts or accessories? If the noise is slight and sounds like marbles rattling in a can, you might try a different brand of gasoline or even a higher octane grade to see if it goes away. But light knocking under load is considered normal, so you don't have to keep using gas with octane ratings above 87.
If it's valve noise, or what I call "clatter," this is not unusual on cold startup, because the oil sitting in the pan needs a few seconds to get up into the valve area.
However, it's hard to make a diagnosis on the internet. You could leave your car at the dealer the night before (most places have a "night drop" past business hours) and have them cold start the car the next morning. Obviously, you'll need someone to get you to and from the dealer's location.
My maintenance light came on just last Thursday, April 9, 2009. The breaks were changed on March 21, 2009. On Friday, April 10, 2009 I took the car in to DCH for oil change and told them about the message flashed on the dash, but this time also that my mechanic put 3 qrt of oil and showed the tech the reciept. I told the tech that I've been telling DCH techs each time the car was due for an oil change and nothing was done since. Now they finally payed attention and duly noted that there could be a problem. I was told the pan plug was marked to assure no one tampers with it and I should return the car w/in 500 miles for an oil consumption test. I took the car in today 04/21/2009 and finally they found a problem. The car was in deed consuming more oil than the manufactures recommendations and they would need to open the engine to fix the problem.
I received a call a few hours later and was told there is a Internal Problem with the Short Block and it would need to be rebuild.
Is this normal for a Short Block on the engine to go bad so fast. (less than 50K miles). I would expect the short block to go bad on a car with over 150K miles and poor maintenance record.
Anyone out there experience this same problem? What makes a Short Block go bad so early? Anyone, Someone, Please let me know. Thank you.
My Diamond in the Ruff!
I have worked in manufacturing all my life (although not automotive) and there are occasionally defects no matter how good the quality control is.
Fortunately, they will repair it under warranty and give you a free loaner. You should be fine after that.
Because of the way dealers drain the oil the fact that your engine didn't have enough left could have gone un-noticed even if a competent mechanic had been doing the routine, repetitive scheduled maintenance procedures, that day rather then the typical McD "flipper" graduate.
But your statement to them should have most certainly meant a "heads up" to somebody.
I hope Toyta finds and corrects the problem.
Using 1 quart of oil for every 1500 miles of driving.
Bob
QUESTIONS:
1.) How often do you change your oil and filter?
2.) What oil are you putting into the engine?
I have a 2007 V6 Camry with almost 48000 miles. I change the oil and filter every 2,500 miles, and I check the oil once a week. I have NEVER added any oil to this engine, even on long highway trips!
You could be leaking oil! I just had an exterior oil line replaced as part of an extended warranty repair!
Best regards. ------------ Dwayne :shades:
Bob
QUESTIONS:
1.) When did the engine start to use oil?
2.) You stated that you now have 30,000 miles on the vehicle. Did the engine use oil from day one?
3.) Does the Toyota Dealer do all of your oil & filter changes?
4.) What kind of oil are they installing in the engine?
NOTE:
I live in N.J., and my Toyota Dealer recommends an oil additive (BG / MOA) to be used in the oil. I have been using this product since day one. ----------- (I know Toyota DOES NOT recommend an oil additive, but on the other side of the issue, Toyota engines in the past have had a "sludge issue!") --------- When I pull the dip-stick to check the oil, my oil is as clean as the first day that I picked up the vehicle at the dealership. ----------- I change my oil and filter every 2500 miles. (I know that Toyota recommends 5,000 mile intervals, but again, their engines had a "sludge issue" in the past!)
I would like to know how many 2007 V6 Camry owners are having this problem!
Best regards: ----- Dwayne :shades:
My 2007 Camry 4cyl LE has consumed oil from day one. I first checked oil at 1500 miles. 2 quarts low. since them about one quart for every 1400 miles of driving.
Oil changed by dealer and Firestone.
Put in 5W-20W.
Toyota says if the engine uses one quart of oil for 1200 miles or less it indicates an engine repair.
Dealer documented car uses one quart of oil approximately every 1400 miles of driving.
The owners manual puts the responsibility on the owner to check the oil levels.
Toyota will not do anything for me at this time.
Perhaps the type of oil that is used makes the difference considering one has a 4cyl engine which uses 5w-20 (bob's) and the other 6cyl which uses 5w-30 (Dwayne's). I have a 2007 camry ce 4cyl that uses a qt of oil every 3500-4000 miles. The other thing that I'm worried about is that it makes a little tapping noise when it's not at operating temp every morning (I don't drive hard) when I accelerate.
Anyway, wouldn't the oil consumption of bob's camry foul the catalytic converter and other emission parts faster.... perhaps immediately after the warranty that makes it harder for 'us', the users?
tony
I do not know what viscosity oil the dealership is using in my 2007 V6 Camry. ------- Let's assume that it is 5w-30. QUESTIONS: --- What would happen if this was used in bob's 4 cylinder engine? ----- What would happen if one quart of 5w-30 was subsituted for one quart of 5w-20 at the next oil & filter change? ----- Is it possible, that the fuel injection system is diluting the oil with extra fuel thus causing the oil to be consumed?
Best regards: ------ Dwayne :shades:
By way of explanation, the engine of a motor vehicle consists of a collection of moving parts which require lubrication in order to keep working.
Engine oil is pumped under pressure around the major bearings and allowed to lubricate other parts such as pistons and vales with a very thin film. These parts are in close proximity to the combustion chamber where air and fuel are burned.
As the engine runs, some of this oil will find its way into the combustion chamber and be burned along with fuel, this is normal.
The engine is designed to consume some engine oil as part of everyday operation..
The amount of oil consumed will vary depending on driving conditions and other factors including engine wear.
"A maximum limit for oil consumption is one quart per 1200 miles of driving"
If a vehicle consumes more oil than this under normal conditions, it is likely to require repairs.
My Camry is using one quart per 1400 miles.
Bob
I can understand your disappointment with this vehicle. ------ Do you have an extended warranty on this vehicle? I have a 6 year 100,000 mile "top of the line Toyota warranty" on my V6 Camry. ---- Recently, my dealer replaced an exterior oil line under this extended warranty at about 46,000 miles. ------ If you intend to keep this vehicle, I would put a Toyota extended warranty on this vehicle for the maximum number of years & mileage. This oil problem is going to be a major problem as the mileage increases. ---- The extended warranty was $1600.00 at the time of the vehicle purchase. The oil line replacement was a $260.00 repair, and the warranty covered it! I am sure that before I reach 100,000 miles I will have additional repairs, so as such, I expect to break even with the cost of the warranty!
Best regards. -------------- Dwayne :shades:
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Nearly all the models of automobile that Toyota manufacture up to 2007 have developed SLUDGE. To get more information on sludge go to consumeraffairs.com.
This sludge problem that near all Toyota and Lexus Automobile have developed was broadcast on the TV News. Dateline is a program on NBC TV in New York City. They did a one hour program on Toyota Automobiles developing sludge. Consumer Affairs have a list of some of the models and year of Toyota and Lexus Automobile that have developed sludge. People with automobile that is not on the Consumers Affairs List have develope sludge. On the Consumer Affairs Website people with all make and models and year up to 2007 of Toyota and Lexus Automobile have posted the sludge problem there that their Toyota and Lexus automobile have developed.
The problem with nearly all Toyota and Lexus Automobile up to 2007 is that their automobiles are consuming oil. People driving NEW Toyota and Lexus Automobile notice that the OIL LIGHT on their automobile dash board flickers a few seconds after this OIL LIGHT flickers THEIR AUTOMOBILE BLOWS THE ENGINE. People started returning these Toyota and Lexus Automobile by the hundreds of thousands to the Toyota and Lexus Dealers where they had purchased their automobile. People with warranty on their automobile, Toyota would not repair these people automobile. Toyota Warranty Inspector charges six hudred dollars ($600.00) to remove the valve pan to check the people automobile for sludge weather they want to repair it or not. To replace a Toyota Corrola engine with a REBUILT ENGINE it will cost the automobile onwer OVER eight thousand dollars ($8000.00). To replace a Toyota Camry engine with REBUILT ENGINE this REBILT ENGINE will cost the automobile onwer over twelve thousand dollars ($12000.00).When hundreds of thousand of people started to returning these Toyota and Lexus Automobile with blown engine to these dealers. These dealers told these people the reason why their automobile blown the engine is that it is their fault. Over three point five million (3.5 million) PEOPLE TOOK TOYOTA TO COURT.
The Kentucky and the Louisiana Court rule that Toyota must repair the people automobile and also extend the warranty, refurn the money that people had paided to repair any problem related to sludge in their automobiles. THE COURT ALSO RULE THAT 7.5 MILLION PEOPLE IS ALLOW TO TAKE TOYOTA TO COURT AGAIN. Toyota had settled in court of law in 2007. Toyota had never told their automobile dealers that nearly all their automobile included Lexus up to 2007 had this sludge problem.
WHY TOYOTA AUTOMOBILE DEVELOPING SLUDGE.
Toyota said that people taking short trips with their automobile will cause the automobile to develope sludge. In nearly every Toyota and Lexus Automobile that blows their engine, these people are drive their automobiles on the highway for example thirty to sixty miles a day.
TOYOTA SAID THEY RESTRICTED THE NORMAL AMOUNT OF ANTIFREEZE THAT THE AUTOMOBILE NEEDS TO KEEP THE ENGINE COOL. By restricting the antifreeze going into the engine this causes the cylinders to operate at a higher temperature. Operating the automobile cylinders at a higher temperature this higher temperature increases their automobile gas millage. THE AUTOMOBILE ENGINE NOW OPERATING AT A HIGHER TEMPERATURE, THIS HIGHER TEMPERATURE CAUSE THE OIL IN THE ENGINE TO TURN IN TO GREASE OR SLUDGE. The holes in the engine where the oil have to pass is slowly being block up. The hot oil that goes on top the engine to lubricating the valves and camshaft. THAT OIL WOULD TURN INTO GREASE OR SLUDGE ON THE VALVES AND CAMSHAFT AND IT WILL NOT RETURN TO THE OIL PAN. THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO KEEP ADDING OIL TO THE ENGINE. Even if you keep adding oil to the engine, the holes in the engine where the oil passes would become block and the engine cannot be lubricated any more and this is when the automobile blows the engine. HERE IS THE COURT CASE NUMBER IN CALLIFORNIA FOR THE TOYOTA AVALON 0905111933. Brand new Toyota Avalon 2006 with 33000 miles or less some may have 50000 miles KEEP BLOWING THEIR ENGINES. One owner who lives in New Jersey who drove a 2006 Toyota Avalon with 33000 miles. This car blown its engine at 33000 miles. This Toyota Avalon car has warranty but Toyota would no repair this person car. Toyota told him that to replace the blown engine it would cost in excess of $13000.00. This person owes $9000.00 on this car. If you have to buy any four cylender car or six cylender car. If you will drive this car on the high alott or if you will be putting 30 miles to 60 miles a day onto this car, buy this car form General Motors. You will get a 100000 miles warranty or five years. General Motors said that if you encounter a problem with this car you can return it to any General Motors dealers. General Motors will pay for the parts and the dealer will pay for the labour. General Motors have the technology and they build their cars chassis and body heavy. Go to the United States of Anerica Department of Energy and you will see the city and highway gass millage for any car. You will see that any General Motors Car beat any 4, 6 or 8 Cylender Honda,Toyota or any other make car for gass millage on the highway. Toyota Camry 4 cylender 2009 will give you 28 miles a gallon on the highway. The chevy Malibu will give you 33 miles a gallon on the highway.
Petition, online
http://www.petitiononline.com/TMC2003/petition.html
And search for Charlene Blake, cblake, and you'll find quite a bit of discussion about this problem. There had been a push by some to squelch discussion and even remove postings from other forums which Blake mentions occasionally. If you search for the words sludge, engine, toyota, you'll find lots of info.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
You're responding to a spammer, and Blake is a flake.
Strange you don't believe it. I searched the net and found the repeated posts, concerted effort was there. Indeed one of the posters on edmunds was a part of it. However the topic must threaten some folks or they would just scroll on past the post instead of trying to belittle the poster as "still pushing that line."
Have a good day.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
From my reading of the situation, only a small percentage sludged; yes, there was an apparent design defect, but it seemed it was exacerbated by those who waited too long to change their oil (typically short-trip drivers). 2010 cars are hitting the streets now; It's time to move on.
On Edmunds at least, the sludge forum, reopened after the class-action court settlement was announced, was closed a few months later because it had devolved to name calling, ending with one last taunt by a fervant GM supporter (not you). I favored the closure -- nothing of substance was being said any longer. The hosts agreed -- I certainly had no clout to close it myself.
My Camrys are running just fine, not sitting on blocks in the back yard with sludge. I assume your Buicks are too?
Who Pays $12000.00 To Fine Out If A Brand New Toyota Camry 2006 Will Develope Sludge?
A guy who Loved Toyota Camry did not want to belived that a brand new Toyota Camry 2006 will develope Sludge.
This guy SAID that he purchased a brand new Toyota Camry 2006. He SAID that he new that Toyota Automobile were developing sludge. He SAID that he is going to use Mobile One Oil in his brand new Toyota Camry 2006. Mobile One has an oil that guaranties 15000 miles. If this Mobile One Oil causes any parts to fail in your car Mobile One Oil will replace the part or parts free.
This guy started to use Mobile One Oil in his brand new Toyota Camry 2006. When his brand new Toyota Camry 2006 had a millage between 34000 miles to 40000 miles his brand new Toyota Camry BLEW ITS ENGINE. He SAID that he had changed the oil in his brand new Toyota Camry 2006 as the manufacture recommends. He returned his brand new Toyota Camry 2006 to the Toyota Dealer where he had purchased it. The Toyota Dealer said that the reason that the engine in his brand new Toyota Camry BLEW, because it is his fault. Toyota SAID that the engine in his Toyota Camry 2006 which has between 34000 miles and 40000 miles will COST HIM $12000.00 to have this engine replace.
THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE WAY TO LEARN ABOUT TOYOTA DEFECTIVE AUTOMOBILE WHICH ALSO INCLUDES LEXUS.