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"Ride quality remains the best in the class"
Good, cause the improved handling cant come at the expense of ride, for a vast majority of Camry buyers.
~alpha
The one that Toyota mishandled but eventually offered a Special Policy adjustment to cover those engines for far past the original powertrain warranty where maintainence could be reasonably demonstrated?
The one that affected about half a percent of owners?
FWIW, Toyota now produces ZERO of the 2.2L or 3.0L engines affected (with the advent of the new Camry).
No, I remember that one. Of course, our 97 and 00 Camry never had a sludging issue, so maybe I'm willing to not care about an issue that was all the talk about 5 years ago.
Ford Pintos have been reported...
Toyota, please make the "Full" size tire as one of your MAJOR advantage over your competitors! and I'm more than willing to PAY! (I don't care about the weight!)
I would love to have it in my Accord. It's great if you happen to have a flat far away from home.
This review says the vehicle stability control and traction control system is optional on the SE. If that's true, it would seem that the Car & Driver reviewer was unaware of that, or else believed you could not get an SE without that system, since he felt this mandatory system was all that kept the SE from being a legitimate sport sedan. This is a puzzling inconsistency. Wonder who's correct?
This nctd review also mentions short front seat bottoms, which was one of the few complaints I had with my '02 Camry (since traded for an Accord, which I'm looking to trade again this year sometime). Of course, "short" is a relative term, but I'll be interested to see what these new seats are actually like.
Does this mean that is saterllite ready?
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/09/2007-toyota-camry-official-configurations-spe- cs-and-photos/
My response to your question probably belongs on a comparison thread, but maybe our HOST will allow it, since our conversation about the 2007 Camry is limited at this point as we can't get our hands on the car yet.
Anyway, I owned an '02 Camry XLE V6 and traded it for my '04 Accord LX 4cyl. Both are automatics. In general, I find the Accord to give me a little more "connected" feel to the driving experience than the Camry through a tighter suspension, more direct steering, and a seating position that's more car-like, while the Camry was a little more refined and slightly quieter. A V6 and a four-banger are, of course, apples and oranges, but I found the Camry engine to be refined and quiet, the Accord a little noisier but probably just as quick as the Camry. The Accord's accelerator and brakes are very direct, almost jumpy to me at times, whereas the Camry's were more fluid. The grabby brakes have been an issue with some Accord owners.
The only issue that surfaced after I bought my Camry was rattles in the door pillars and dashboard, which I eventually got used to, more or less.
In the Accord, the transmission was replaced at 4,000 miles because of a whining noise, which I still have in a slightly different form. Nothing else has been an issue. I avoided the Accord V6 because of the massive recall they had for V6 automatics in the Accord, Pilot, and Oddysey lines.
Overall, I'm probably kind of an oddball because I like both cars -- I'm not totally polarized into either camp. And some of my reasons are obviously subjective. For instance, I love the Accord seats, while others think the Camry's are fine (seat bottoms a little too short for me). I like the lower RPMs at highway speed with the Accord, but the 07 Camry may have a different setup than my 02 had.
I hope this helps you somewhat, but a car choice is so personal I would encourage you to take everything I say with a grain of salt. Good luck with your search.
http://www.newcartestdrive.com/review-intro.cfm?Vehicle=2007_Toyota_Camry&Review- - ID=1897
The XLE V-6 may not be sporty, but it will be one fast car. Those who have driven the new Avalon with the same V-6 will know that that engine is very strong. The step up from the 3.3L to the new 3.5L is much greater in power and acceleration than in the step up from the 3.0 to the 3.3L. The Avalon is faster than a lot of sporty cars. It just doesn't handle as well and has lots of body lean. I expect the Camry to be better than that, however.
I don't think those spare are rated to go very far and if you have a flat and drove 100 miles on the temp spare don't you need to buy a new one after your reg tire is fixed?
Where as a full size could be a repair job only.
Its just reassuring having a tire rated at 35000 plus miles for a spare.
Seat bottoms are markedly short on thigh support.
http://www.newcartestdrive.com/review-walk.cfm?Vehicle=2007_Toyota_Camry&ReviewI- D=1897
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Mackabee
That's the impression I got while reading it.
RE: Your assessment of Tom Lankard's review of the '07 Camry on the NewCarTestDrive.com website as "amateur" and plagiarized.
That appears to be a flippant, unresearched, and unfounded point of view.
NewCarTestDrive.com says it was founded in 1994 as an independent, privately held corporation. This is their profession, not their amateur pasttime.
Tom Lankard's writing credits go back to the 1970s and include contributions to Road & Track and Car & Driver, among others, and a staff position at AutoWeek. So he's doing this as a profession, not as an amateur.
I thought his article was a well integrated piece of writing that gave evidence of his own firsthand experiences with the car, not a cut-and-paste from other reviewers. Is there evidence that this writing came from someone else?
I believe you're correct about the Avalon being called the Japanese Buick, and not the Camry, as Lankard states. But this one error certanly doesn't put him in the category of an amateur plagiarizer.
Mackabee
The Sandman
Does look nice, but at too great a cost to functionality.
Finding a Japanese-built Camry (other than manual trannies and the initial Hybrid shipment) will be hard -- out of over 430,000 Camrys sold in calendar year 2005, only about 28,000 came from Japan (7%). And something like only 1% of all Camrys have the manual.
The white Hybrid looked awesome. My wife who hated the '02-06 Camry said it looked good also. Next is the road test. If this car handles better than the previous Buick Camry than I'm trading my LEMON Accord in!
Does anyone know what interior colors are available? I would like a white exterior with black cloth. This combination is only available with SE models on '06 models.
I can honestly say that my loaded $26k 2003 AccordV6 is probably one of the worst cars I've owned. It rides like a piece of junk, nausiating road drumming, and early transmission failure!
Did your transmission failure involve a lockup?
I'm curious because I avoided the V6 models when I bought my '04 Accord 4 cyl. because of that transmission recall related to locked-up trannys on the V6s.
I don't think the 4 cyl. models have had that problem, but I'm still thinking of trading for an '07 Camry.
Just curious, why are you looking at trading? Do you think your Accord rides too harsh and has too much road noise? That is why I'm getting rid of mine + worried about the tranny failing again.
P.S. When Honda replaces trannies they give you a rebuilt unit with the same defective design. Trust me, I have a LOT of experience!
The "comparing the Avalon to the Buick" is a pretty vague statement. To my knowledge it doesn't refer to how a vehicle handles (it was a total package). I believe it has more to do with the fact that Toyota was building a vehicle that many older Americans preferred (which included a comfortable ride and interior features and exterior design). Toyota seems to be offering many vehicles that North Americans prefer. Incidentally, I think Buick is one of the bright spots for GM. Unfortunately, it may not be enough to save them. Finally, I don't think it's fair to compare any Toyota vehicle to any GM vehicle (however, it is what we do).
I'm looking at trading because they put a remanufactured tranny in my car at 4,000 miles because of my complaints about a whining noise, and I'm not sure I want to keep the car for the long haul under those circumstances, especially since there is still a noise, though different. Plus my previous car was an '02 Camry, which I liked except for exterior styling and a few rattles. I don't mind the firmer ride and a little more noise with my Accord. I like it overall, just a little leery of their transmission recalls.
Thanks for info about your tranny failure -- better a gradual slippage than sudden lockup, which happened to a few Accord owners.
I looked at the new Camry at the Washington Auto show the other week and it is great. It is a beautiful vehicle with a lot more styling than in the past. If the quality and dependability is there, and I am sure it is, it should continue to be the top selling car in the US.
One question I had, why doesn't Toyota utilize a more functional adjustable (tilt) teering wheel design? The unit is the same as those on the 2006-2006 Camry and it is awkard to use and has very little range compared to many other models. You would think Toyota would improve the design, increase the range of motion, and on the XLE model include a tilt and telescoping version.
~alpha
As posted above the new model will have tilt/telescope standard.
Regarding the range of motion the tech trainers explained that Toyota intentionally limits the range of motion so that if deployed the airbags will hit the thorax on the largest segment of the population. Too much range of motion and someone will certainly have it hit them in the forehead, break their neck and guess who will be sued.
I plan to buy a car SOON. I have it narrowed to the Acura TL, Acura TSX, Honda Accord, or '07 Camry. I've test driven everthing except the camry. It is a very difficult decision, each of these have pros and cons.