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Well put. With a well equipped family sedan nearly 30K and up, you have to make intelligent choices. I understand the US makers got caught with their pants down in the mid 70's, but they've had 3 decades to catch up, and haven't done so. My only conclusion is they simply don't care.
They've narrowed the gap, but they still build whatever they want & expect us to dutifully go out and buy it.
With Toyota now ranked #1 (fewest problems) by some consumer agencies, it only makes sense to go with the best.
Ummmm, you guys need to get off your rumps and do some research. Try driving something different. And as far as 'they still build whatever they want and expect us to dutifully go out and buy it....' comment: My original comment was that with Toyota you CANNOT get exactly what you want... The fact is, Toyota builds whatever it wants and, yes, expects you to dutifully go out and buy it.
As to quality, the new Avalon doesn't do well. Look at the forums on this website. And, ahem, even my new Pontiac grand prix ranks better than a Camry according to JD Power....
I just like the truth, not bs. Toyota builds some reliable cars. They build some so-so cars. Very few are memorable, however.
I have a U.S. build Honda with 160,000 miles on it, and have spent only $300 on it for repairs in its ENTIRE lifetime. The interior looks nearly as good as it did 11 years ago!
Other than bad lighting on my picture and leather on the stock photo, I can't tell much of a difference. The second picture was taken of a brand new 1995 EX. My pic was taken at 155,000 miles, at 10 years old on my LX. No junk here, just incredibly reliable, well manufactured, U.S. Honda.
I doubt that there are easily accesable reports on which to compare the quality of the two. But do this: Ask someone who works for Toyota (not the salesmen) which they would prefer. They will tell you that either is acceptable but...if it were them they'd prefer that "J" in the VIN before they made their purchase.
It's really up to you. Would you prefer a "hecho en mexico" Ford Fushion, Chevy, or even a Pontiac?
Time will tell if it will be as reliable as the 2002 Chrysler T&C LX that it replaced.
We're talking about the '07 Camry - let's get back to it.
Thanks.
JD Powers initial quality means didly sqat. No wonder people dont pay any attention to them. As far as claiming that the GP is a better car than the Avy, just wait about 5 or 6 years. Your Grand Prix would be worth less than a bicycle. And if GM bites the dust by then, your Grand Prix would be virtually worthless. Well at least GM's car quality now matches their credit ratings.
1)1991 Cavalier(New) - Died around 90,000 miles
2)1995 Eagle Vision(New) - Bad cyclinder around 15,000 miles
3)1991 Grand Prix SE(Used) - Around 85,000 Spark Plug shot out of cyclinder, plus numerous of other problems
4)1997 Ford Explorer(New) - 9,000 miles Transmission line broke and leak all fluid. 20,000 miles Pully on motor for belt broke.
5)1999 Dodge Avenger(New) - This car never made it past 6,000 miles. It sat more at the shop then my driveway
6)2001 Cavalier(Used) - I have to say this car did good up till 165,000 miles the it died
7)2001 Yukon XL Denali(Used) - Still own this truck, but have problems with Trans Fluid Leaking, Motor acting strange at times.
8)1995 Toyota Camry(Used) - Still own this car with 180,000 miles and the only thing I need to do to it was new tires, and honestly I abuse this car by not changing oil for like 20,000 miles each time. The only reason I purchased a new '07 camry was that this '95 camry design was getting old on me.
9)2007 Camry SE(New)- Love it....
Stay with Toyota Camry
Struts
Wiring
Computer
I forget the rest...
" Overview:
Nobody misses the Dodge Daytona. You will recall that the Daytona was a front-wheel drive sport coupe based on the K-Car chassis. After a decade on the market with minimal changes, Chrysler mercifully pulled the plug on the Daytona, replacing it with the Mitsubishi Galant-based Avenger sport coupe in 1995."
Even if it was made in the USA, it was designed by Japanese Mitsubishi. :shades:
STAY with Toyota Camry for a reliable, dependable mid-size car.
I'd really appreciate your cooperation. Thanks.
One question, do they offer remote start on the new Camry?
As for the XM/Sirius thing, many OEM radios these days are "Satellite Radio" ready or prepared. This means you can use the tuner of whichever you choose and have it installed into the car. Some of the makes that are exclusive to one or the other are GM which owns Hughes, and in turn has a vested interest in XM, Honda which I believe is still under a contract with XM (including Acura).
Gee, there's some very insightful commentary here.
I guess I could also refer you to Consumer Reports. Look up Camry, Avalon and Grand Prix. Look at the reliability stats in recent years.... Avalon is weak, Camry is good, Grand Prix is just as good. Shocking, I know.
Moving on, can anybody on here with the "SE" 2007 Camry please tell me if there is really a difference between the headlights on that model and the non-SE models? Toyota keeps saying that the lights are "blacked-out" but in most pics I see the lights all look the same across the board with the multi-reflector "silver colored" headlamps. A few pics I've come across the light housing does look like its trimmed in black like the 2002-2006 SE's but its hard to tell on the 2007s. Any close-up pics or written confirmation would be appreciated.
Could someone explain what this option is (50 State Emissions)
Thanks
Ralph
Is there any REAL difference if both have the outside lamp turned on? :confuse:
Enjoy!
Read the Camry MPG forum.
Thank you!
what you folks need to understand is that your transmission is computer controlled, has a 'learning capability, and that is 'programmed' for fuel economy. As such, the transmission will hold the highest gears possible to minimize engine revs - it doesn't like to downshift so that in the Camry's case the transmission may be holding onto 6th gear all the way down to 20 or 30 mph. This creates situations that 3 and 4 gear downshifts are needed when power is reapplied. Which is where the 'gear hunting' and delays do happen on acceleration.
This has been discussed to death on the Avalon forums all the way down to analyzing gas pedal design! To my knowledge, nothing as major in the Av as what faldoc is reporting or any problems with the transmission itself - only the way (IMO) that Toyota has chosen to control it.
Will be interesting to see what, if any, reaction Toyota has to continuing complaints like this especially if the new 6 speed is actually 'worse' in this regard than the 5 - Avalon owners have generally found an 'it's working as designed' attitude.
My next vehicle will not be a Toyota!
Use your search engine and go to the Toyota TIS library site. I can't give you the site address on an Edmunds forum site.
You can sign up for a 24 hour service for $10 and download information, service items, TSBs, etc.
You can sign up for a whole year a lot cheaper than $725!!
It seems to me that there is an issue of the design, which in some models has lead to downshift hesitiation (though that was supposedly cured for this iteration of the transmission), and actual failure of the transmission itself, which seems to be the actual complaint on the 6A.
~alpha
Chill out and let Toyota investigate.
well, yes and no, the engine modified to over 300 hp and the IS is RWD. Keep in mind that the new IS is a legitimate hot rod designed to blow the doors off anyhting else in its class (which I guess it does) so therefore it is logical to assume that Toyota has dispensed with worrying too much about mpg and is more concerned with 0-60 times. Would wager that the tranny programming is substantially different. The RAV4, however, should suffer from the same malady.
And, no njerald, this is not a defective 'US made' part (by your tone, I guess all parts made in the US must be defective?) - if it was as simple as that it would have been discovered and fixed long ago! It is simply the way, love it or leave it, that Toyota has been designing their transmissions to work ever since the advent of the silly electronic (DBW) controls. My suspicion is that the 'fix' may be as simple as a chip replacement in the ECU, which in and of itself is probably not expensive to do, but may cost a coupla of those treasured mpgs
Daily $10.00 US
Monthly $50.00 US
Yearly $350.00 US
If you subscribe on a daily basis you get more than 24 hours (til midnight the next night) to down load info and repair files.
Number 1 - you are paranoid, (my tone?)
Number 2 - You have no idea what is wrong, you have a suspicion (feeling).
I am new to this forum. I would like to know your opinions. I am a new driver and this is my first car. I am interested in Camry 2007 LE 4 cyln automatic. I test drove this trim and I liked it. My dealer is quoting
19294 + tax+doc fee + Lic fee. I got this price after $400 rebate becos I am a new collge graduate. I liked its interior however I noticed one thing after driving Honda Accord,Sonata and this camry. I feel that when it start from rest initailly there is jerk of gear change at lower speed in automatic model. I am not sure becos I am new driver. I also feel the same jerk in accord ( it was less than camry) but not in sonata ( but this sonata was V6 I do not whether it makes a diff).
Can somebody clarify this doubt? and the deal I am getting is good or not.
Has anybody purchased LE and feel the same thing. what mpg you guys are getting?
Thanks
Atul.
I am new to this forum. I would like to know your opinions. I am a new driver and this is my first car. I am interested in Camry 2007 LE 4 cyln automatic. I test drove this trim and I liked it. My dealer is quoting
19294 + tax+doc fee + Lic fee. I got this price after $400 rebate becos I am a new collge graduate. I liked its interior however I noticed one thing after driving Honda Accord,Sonata and this camry. I feel that when it start from rest initailly there is jerk of gear change at lower speed in automatic model. I am not sure becos I am new driver. I also feel the same jerk in accord ( it was less than camry) but not in sonata ( but this sonata was V6 I do not whether it makes a diff).
Can somebody clarify this doubt? and the deal I am getting is good or not.
Has anybody purchased LE and feel the same thing. what mpg you guys are getting?
Thanks
Atul.
Honda usually acknoweledges the problem and will extend the tranny warranties to 100k. One catch, they never find a solution to the problem. When they replace your tranny they give you another "remanufactured" unit with the same flaws.
I know firsthand - 2 trannies in my '00 Odyssey (95k & 105k miles) and 1 tranny in my '03 Accord at 45k.
Go figure. I am thinking of buying a new Camry. This time I will get a 4 popper. They seem to be the most reliable. Had a '94 Camry with 165k and original trans.
Interestingly, my wife bought a Hyundai a few months ago (surprise), and their corporate website allows all owner's full access free-of-charge to TSB's and all technical info/service manuals online. All one has to do is register and provide the VIN of the vehicle. This sounds like a great idea that all manufacturers should provide.
She hasn't needed the service, but it's nice to know it's there at no charge if required.
One thing on the Toyota 6-speed automatic . . . if this was another product other than Toyota (or Honda, for example), it would not only be crucified on Edmunds and on Usenet, but owner's would be questioning the quality of the vehicle. It proves two things: the altruism of Toyota owners, and that all cars, especially those with new mechanical bits-and-pieces, can have problems.