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cheers
KB
i agree with kb, that is definitely a no-no on honda's part for offering split fold only on the EX. they'll learn quickly, though...
hmmmm....
(Do I hear a Value Package coming soon?)
Me: How long will they be marked up?
Salesman: Probably at least a year.
Me: (chuckling) This is a Civic, right? I guess I'll wait because I won't pay over MSRP for a car.
Salesman: What if I could get rid of part of the mark up?
Me: Let me check around.
Salesman: What if I could get rid of all of the mark up?
Me: Then you would be selling the car for the price the manufacturer suggests! I'll get back with you!
Now I will check internet sales. Too bad they don't have virtual reality test drives.
Called ahead to another dealer. Said I'll be there in 10 minutes to look at a different color. Salesman said ask for John. Was met by a salesman when I arrived.
Me: Hi. Is there a John here.
Salesman: No. Nobody by that name that I know of. Are you looking for a car?
Suddenly I hear a voice "Matt" I turned to see a salesman walking briskly toward us.
John? I responded. He said "yes" and reached out his hand...As we walked toward the cars he said" Did that f---er say he didn't know who I was? Yep. He always pulls that sh--. I had to laugh out loud. (they even devour their own)
PS IMO Nice car but a bit overpriced.
As for the person comparing Civic vs. Caliber--if you are interested in the Caliber, then you are looking at the wrong Honda, in the Civic. The CR-V is closer to the Caliber.
Refuse to pay MSRP.
Anyone know any dealers in Texas that aren't trying to gouge us?
Thanks!
Automatic is only 4-speed. Scion uses much more fuel. More gas than a big Camry sedan.
No road test comparisons have been done between the TC and Civic EX coupe yet, so choosing between them is premature. I'm sure comparison tests will be done soon.
It will be interesting to see what magazine test numbers are for the 2006 Civic EX and Si coupes. I think 0-60 in 7.5 for the Si was from Honda's own conservative tests.
Just thought I would post this info because I know people are interested in the prices.
BTW - I'm in Southeren California.
....where did you get those specs?
How can you even believe that anyway?
2006 Honda Civic Si= 197 hp, weighs 2900, Lsd,fwd,...0-60 7.5?
2006 Scion Tc= 160 hp, weighs 2900, fwd....0-60 7.5?
what went wrong?
All three examples were manufactured in Japan. I don't know . . . my first Civic was a 1990 with the low belt line and low dash, but I'm not sold on this design. It may grow on me, as designs always have a tendency to do over time. It's a bit too "avant garde" for me, as if the Honda interior designer spent his/her or their apprenticeship at a French automobile manufacturer in the '70s. Honda used to be about relatively simple but elegant designs, especially with the Civic, but I think they went a bit astray on this one. It's my feeling that this design is squarely aimed at the younger demographic, not their long term Civic customer. And, I suppose this is in many ways good for Honda in the long term.
Now, I wonder if I can make a good deal on an existing 2005 LX still on the lot. They still had two in stock last night!
"Not a Hot Hatch Anymore
Unlike its predecessor, which was a slow and homely-looking hatchback with a meager redline and the agility of an elderly woman, this Si is a quick (Honda says it'll accelerate to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds), fun-to-fling-around coupe, with sharp lines and the most sharply raked windshield in Honda's history. Yes, sharper than even the NSX's."
http://site.aol.com/autos/article/9.adp
I bet that the EX does a 9.4 0 to 60
I am still leaning toward a scion, it looks better.
Also, I've heard rumors over the last six months or so regarding an Si Sedan in addition to the Coupe. It makes sense with so many "hot" 4-doors like the WRX, Cobalt SS, SRT-4, etc. Anyone else heard these rumors or have any info?
I'm thinking about test driving one this weekend, although I've been told by both dealers I've emailed that no manual transmission models will be available for a month or so. They say automatics are being produced first since they're the high volume sellers. I may still check out an automatic, though.
I've been very close to buying a Mazda3, but just had to hold out for the Civic. While I don't think the Civic Sedan is as attractive as the Mazda3 (Civic nose is ugly), the interior and Honda name make up for it. I'll probably end up buying one.
Honda is very conservative.
If you haven't checked out TOV then you should.
Dynos have been done on the 2006 Honda Civic Si. The Si with 3500 miles on it made 209 hp (the engine was broken in)
TOV said it had the potential to do 5.9 with the LSD and all.
The car was supposed to outperform the Rsx-S
If anyone has gotten news on production for the Si, post. I am disappointed with the news ive heard. All reviews i read say the Si will be such a hit will sell like mad. So it doesn't make sense to me.
1. 06 Civic LX Coupe 16,300 msrp.
2. 05 Civic LX Coupe 16,200 msrp (can get it for 14,300)
3. 05 Mitsu Lancer OZrally 17,000msrp (can get it for 14,000)
4. 05 Scion TC 16,500 msrp
I really dont like the Mazda 3 or the Corolla so I guess it may be between these 4. Seeing as how I would like to be in the 14 range if at all possible, it looks like it would be between the 05 LX and the 05 Lancer. The Lancer gives me way more bang for my buck but I really dont know how it stacks up against the other 3. Anyone have an opinion??????????????????????????
CreamYam: The reason I was leaning more towards the Lancer is that it gives me adequate mpg at 28/37 and has about 5 more HP than the 05 civic while putting out about 130 lbs of torque at 4250 rpm while the civic puts out 110 lbs of torque at 4500 rpm. By the way, no autos, only 5 speeds. If the 2K gives me alot more car for my money then i would be definitely willing to put it down.
Nothing wrong with the 05's. you didnt leave a preference(for style or speed). Best choice probally 05 civic, but that cars no fun :P
Personally Im going with the Si
I would seriously suggest to anyone that they snatch up an 05 while they can. It took me literally 10 minutes from the first call to the sale. I offered $300 under invoice and the sales guy said immediately "Sold, when do you want to pick it up?"
I think if I would have pushed I could have got the car for even less, maybe around $700 under invoice. Can't beat OTD $14k.
The OTD price on an 06 LX for the immediate future will be around $18,500. I would rather save the $4k and buy something else nice with the money.
I personally enjoy the new dashboard and legs room. I think the steering wheel is a litlle smaller in 06 civic and probably that's why I felt better. (I'm a tall person). I like the new location of odometer - so you can check the speed without the need to look down through steering wheel.
Now, 06 civic LX has additional advantages compared to 05 civic LX:
140 hp i-VTEC engine vs. 115 hp engine
205 (16'') tires vs smaller tires
curtain air bags
standard ABS
... and others
I'm going to buy a 06 LX if I can get a price smaller then MSRP. First, I was thinking about a 05 EX - because I was thinking I can get it close to invoice, but I changed my mind after I drove the new 06 civic (and looked at its specs).
I guess after the dealers get more 06 models, they will be way easier to negociate with them.
Does anybody now what are aprox invoice prices for new Civics?
That's strange... I drove a stick LX sedan last weekend. Maybe they meant that more automatics are being produced than sticks--which would make sense.
civic is better in all aspects
he paid 18.8k for his
Where have you been in the last 20 years? None of the Honda's I have owned, starting with 1985 Honda Civic, you could see the hood. It is called AERODYNAMICS, if you weren't aware.
Didn't they teach you in the first grade to compare APPLES to APPLES and ORANGES to ORANGES. You should have been comparing Scion Tc to Civic EX or Si, not LX.
Recommended oil changes are 5,000 - 10,000 miles. The car automatically tests the oil viscosity and tells you when the oil is too thin and needs to be changed. No more need for window stickers to remind you when to change the oil.
New to Honda. BMW's had it for years. Not sure if they really have a VISCOMETER in there, as it is a calibrated intrument, but BMW uses optical sensor to monitor the oil clarity, not viscosity. Not sure what Honda is doing, but it would be interesting to see how they implemented this feature.
No more timing belt. The Civic has a timing chain, now. Should last a long, long, time.
Starting with 2002 Honda Civic Si there was no timing belt. All K-series engines and now R-series are using timing chain. Which, still has limited life, and will eventually break.
Car is supposed to go 110,000 miles before needing a tune-up.
This is for normal driving conditions, and has been around since 2001
There are two radiator fans.
Honda has had two fans since 1996 Civic. They are not two radiator fans, but rather one radiator and one A/C evaporator (or whatever the A/C raidator is called) fan. Honda uses half sized radiator in Civics. Half is the radiator, half is A/C evaporator. Nothing new here.
Windshield wipers are heavy duty. Should move a few inches of snow without any trouble.
Not sure what defines heavy duty wipers, but you can buy winter blades in any auto store or Walmart for under $10.
Auto trans is rated higher gas mileage than the manual. Auto 30/40. Manual 30/38.
Auto has higher final ratio than manual. Honda has been doing this for a few years now, because when people use cruise control in a manual, the car would lose steam on an uphill. Since the trans is manual, the cruise can not force the trans to shift. People were coplaining that cars were slowing down on uphills, so Honda lowered the final drive on mauals to combat loss of power when cruise control is used.
The old Si hatchback from 1992 could do 0-60 in 7.5 and average 32.5 mpg and had a better power-to-weight ratio than the 2006 EX. Are we talking coupe or sedan? Torque is up more than horsepower this year. The new EX could break 8 seconds easily, with a good driver. If not, I'll just get an Accord 4-door which will do the trick. Or...maybe the Accord LX coupe 5-speed! That could do 0-60 in the low 7's and average 30mpg (compared to the new Si's 26.5).
The Civic is an impressive piece of machinery. The car is definitely more refined but Honda wisely leaves niceties like heated leather seats and improved sound deadening to the Accord. The Civic has only cloth seats and it was a bit loud on the highway as far as road noise goes.
That said, there some things I really liked about the car. First – I fit! The new tilt and telescope wheel works wonders for my legs. I really liked the exterior style with the long raked windshield and low flat stance like Hondas of old. The dash is very deep. It really handles very well, although a bit under powered. I also really like how the car looks in Atomic blue metalic paint.
The two level dash can cause the steering wheel to block the speedo in some positions which was a bit of a drag.
When I got back in my Accord the dash and windshield felt very vertical. It also felt very quiet and comfy!
In the end it looked like a great car for the money.
I would just get warmer pants.
So why is this? Well, maximum horsepower isn't the final word. If you have an engine which puts out very little at lower rpms and suddenly peaks at higher, you won't get the full power except for a very short time in the acceleration. This is why the V-6's do better with the automatics...their high output comes at a larger range of rpm's, and so even if you have fewer speeds, the V-6 will put out closer to its peak over a larger range than the 4-cylinder will, usually. It also depends on what rpm's the peak power comes. If you have to wait until 7600rpm to get all your power, you'll be waiting a long time. I've noticed the CVT transmissions seem to get more performance out of the same engine and the reason is they can put an engine at its peak horsepower by keeping it at the same rpm for the entire acceleration. I still don't know why Honda doesn't just scrap their 5-speed autos and put CVT's on everything! Why is that?
Transmissions also play a part in this. A 5-speed will usually accelerate faster than a 4-speed, all else being the same. But it depends on how close the gears are, and in some cases if they are too close you might have to do an extra shift before you hit 60 miles an hour, which will then take more time. If your transmission is geared towards economy then your top gear will probably be sluggish and the car will feel that way.
I try to compare Civics to Civics because I think even an '05 will be somewhat close to an '06 because automakers generally have some sort of philosophy as to why they build certain cars, and the engines and transmissions would mirror that. Honda Civics have always been light cars with small engines that rev and get great gas mileage and good performance but usually not great. To compare a Scion to a Civic without real-world tests would be very difficult. The Scion is a much more torquey engine. I saw a test between a 1993 Honda Civic DX Sedan and a Chrysler Neon which out torqued and out-powered the Honda easily. But in the test, the Neon beat the Civic by 8/10 seconds up to 60 miles an hour, and then the Honda stomped the Neon in the 0-100 mph test by three seconds! Must have been the gearing, the nature of the engines (Honda might come on strong at higher rpms where the Neon was a low-end kicker) or something. It's just a very murky science.
However, it that price is right regarding 06 LX ($18.5K OTD), why wouldn't one just get a Camry?
In my neighborhood 05 Camry LE auto is selling for $16.3K. 05 Accord is selling for $19.2K. Big difference.
I don't understand the pricing on the new Civic. $3K to $4K (since comparing 05 VP to 06 LX) jump seems a bit too much.
With discount offered for Acura RSX, I don't understand Civic pricing.
Also, you can't really cmopare one car at MSRP to something else that is heavily incentivized. It distorts the picture.
But, if you want a Camry, hard to pass up that deal. GO grab it.
And, the CIvic didn'treally go up in price too much if you compare equiveliant models (LX vs. LX, etc.). Plus, you get all the safety equipment standard.
And, that LE Camry won't have side bags/curtains or ABS I don't believe.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
SITTING IN THE SEDAN YOU CAN'T SEE WHERE THE FRONT OF THE CAR IS. YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE HOOD TO GET AN IDEA WHERE FRONT IS. HAS ANYBODY SIT IN THE COUPE AND IS IT THE SAME.
Where have you been in the last 20 years? None of the Honda's I have owned, starting with 1985 Honda Civic, you could see the hood. It is called AERODYNAMICS, if you weren't aware.
So that what it is :confuse: ......I had always assumed my Civics were just missing their fronts. :shades:
The Koreans and the heavily discounted Sentra are going to put preasure on Civic sales from underneath. As several people have noted, pressure is also coming from up above in the form of Camry- Accord, themselves being pressured by the newly competetive Sonata and others.
I like the new Civic and think they got it right (though I still hate their lack of options flexibility). Yet someone who is on a budget really needs patience at this point. I suspect every week that goes by will add significantly to buying power.
one thing I was told though (which is true).. in Europe you pay more for a car. Basically look at what VW costs that's what you pay for Foci or the Civics, and it's not just the taxes, either. The EURO cars are more advanced: e.g. EURO Honda Accord is NA Accura TSX, NA doesn't even get the new EURO Focus, b/c it would cost too much. It's accross the board: Toyota shares nothing but SUV's with Europe, the same for Ford, etc... Honda is one of the few who dare to sell World Small cars.
The variety in the small car segment is much wide, because that's the "midisze" for Europe.. B'segment in Europe offers the whole deal: sedan, coupe, 3door Hatchback, 5door hatchback, wagon AND convertible. Lots to choose from.. but just the sheer fact that the 06 Civic will be in the U S only as a Sedan and Coupe shows thatthe task to span the Atlantic is a tough one.
And the lack of hatchback irks the heck out of me.. I was very much lookig forward to the HB civic as a real contender to such cars as Mazda3 5door and Focus ZX3 (my car)... and as I said previosly, without HB, Civic, like Corolla, Sentra, Neon, Cobalt and many other is a dead weight.... the trunk is simply a joke in sedans/coupes and I will refuse to pay for a car without a trunk:
just for comparison:
Focus Sedam: 14 cu/ft of cargo:
Focus 3door or 5door: 18 cu/ft of cargo
ACCORD: 14 Cu.ft...
and you have a non-flexible cargo opening....
I know HB are not the prefered body style in NA, but to not offer it at all is viewed as a handicap by a growing number of peoepl even in NA.
BTW NA stands for North America
Igor
However, most people say the new Civic is quiet compared to the other compact cars it competes with such as Corolla and Mazda3.