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2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
With Winters as crazy as we have up here in Connecticut am i also crazy to go with the new Odyssey that does NOT have all wheel drive ?
Have bought 5 subaru's but thought we might take the plunge on a van. Checked out the Sienna but sticker shock was significant 40k, not that the 32k for the Odyssey is much better especially if we can't get up the driveway in the snow.
Would love to hear from folks that might have an opinion in snow conditions. None of the dealers in the area will commit to the odyssey doing well and chant the "it is a totally redesigned car"
mantra. Am also hoping that it really could get the 28 mpg as advertised. Kid's really loved going for a test drive in it but need the subaru like handling.
Thanks, Steve.
If you need a minivan with AWD and a (relatively) low price, you might try to find a Sienna LE AWD (MSRP of less than $32,000).
But if the van was our only car, I'd put some winter tires on it - I drove FWD minivans in Anchorage for ~12 years with studded tires and got around pretty good.
Steve, Host
He did a great job, and I am happy to say that I'm still pain free. I've thanked my Honda Dealer, Scott Honda of West Chester multiple times now. My seat was fixed back in November.
I completely sympathize with your pain. I had never experienced it before my 05 Odyssey either. The only correction that has worked for me was the modification of the seat foam, and that was after we tried everything from Marine foam and wire ties to fix the form of the seat. Honda needs to know that there is a problem with there seats. It's the only way all of us can have a permanent fix from them. Also - I saw someone driving another 05 Odyssey today, and his head had to be 8-10 inches from the headrest. He would definitely suffer some sort of spinal cord injury if he was in a collision and the distance to the headrest wasn't within the National Institute for Highway Safety's guidelines. Hopefully Honda will wake up to this before someone is seriously injured.
1)Is it a normal configuration, why just in passenger side only?
2) How to switch it to the defog mode? The defogger button works perfectly fine for rear window, but it could not clear the 3rd row passenger side window at all.
It seems that people don't have much trouble getting high 20's (CR got 30 mpg going 65) on the highway with the Sienna, so I would expect the Odyssey to do even better.
I'm a working stiff and a father. I spent HUGE money for me to buy the safest minivan I could find. NOBODY TOLD ME THESE TIRES WOULD LAST only 15,000 miles. In fact Toyota said to me today: "Why would I tell you that- it wouldn't be a good selling point for the car."!!! In other words Toyota representatives are saying that DECEPTION is their modus operandi!!!
I didn't even ask them to pay for my tires. All I asked for is that they get me new replacement tires AT THEIR COST. Nodody wouod lose in that scenario. (though I don't want to spend $500 right now, it's the least and the most I feel that I could do to get new tires at 15,000 miles.)
THEY REFUSED. It wouldn't cost them a red penny, yet they still refused!!!!!
OK, bring on the lawsuit. Who knows who's starting one? Please respond.
As for the gas mileage, don't count on getting the sticker mileage. Ours is getting 16-17 around town and 22 on the highway.
SHP 1206 1206 1208 KS 1217
OK, that's what the American Honda Motor Co, Inc. shipping and receiving dump had on it for my car. (I had the dealer fax it to me just after the car was assembled and then again in transit since the ship date doesn't show up until 1-2 days after assemble date.)
Translation is:
Assemble date: 12/06
Ship date: 12/08
Scheduled arrival date: 12/17
Present location: Kansas
So in short, it takes 9 days from the day it is shipped from Alabama for the van to get the the dealer's lot in Colorado. Actually, mine came in the night before (12/16).
Or it's beautiful out but along comes a wind gust. (San Diego Union)
Makes you wonder why we see articles like these:
Car Salesmen Least Trusted Professionals
Steve, Host
My wife's '04 Pilot (although having a shorter wheelbase) rides better (and is quieter) than an Odyssey but handles worse. My Chevy Avalanche rides far better (and is quieter) but, naturally, handles far worse. That said, I don't feel the ride of the Odyssey is "rough" or "horrible."
My suggestion is that you drive some other minivans (which, of course, should have been done prior to buying the Odyssey) to see how they compare to the Odyssey. If you're interested in a smooth ride, you may prefer a Chrysler or Toyota minivan.
For a softer, floatier, boaty ride that the American drivers have been accustomed to in the past, the suspension will have to be softer, which comes at the expense of handling.
May go get a Pilot which doesn't seem to have the problems (nor as much room!).
that said, when going over bumps, sure yeah, your going to experience them to some extent, depending on the road condition, speed etc.
on road noise, a bit off topic perhaps, my feeling is that road noise is going to be a function of the tires on the vehicle. go with a quieter tire, and you'll probably reduce the road noise level. i may consider replacing the OEMs on my van with a quieter tire when it comes time to replace them.
however, <<and this might seem strange to some readers>> i actually WANT a certain amount of road noise...it helps with situational awareness as to road condition, surface, etc.
it's probably the suspension design and setup in the van, and Hondas in general that allows for some transmission of road noise to the vehicle.
tradeoffs. i agree with macakava. i for one prefer a "sportier" ride...
one of the things i specially like about the '03 ODY we own, as in the Accords we own or have owned, i appreciate the handling and the road feel.
i can use just my left thumb and first finger at the 9:00 position to assess play and responsiveness. constant correction is not required, and the vehicle is well behaved during cornering and during lane changes.
i think it has a lot to do with the vehicles you have owned prior to becomming a mini-van owner. that is why it's so very important to try before you buy.
my 2 cents.
Chrysler Town & Country (aka DGC)
Honda Odyssey
Toyota Sienna
Among the three, I think you can't really go wrong. Its just a matter of personal preference from there on out.
What is noisy to one person may be quiet to another and seats that are praised for comfort and support may be uncomfortable to someone else.
You'll just need to sort things out for yourself.
However if I am on a limited budget, I would consider a new T & C(DGC) and a used Ody, Sienna or Quest.
I have seen new T & C advertized at under $20K, and new DGC at under $16K.
T&C = floaty ride with lots of luxury but questionable reliability and resale (relatively speaking)
Ody = sport ride and handling with very good reliability and resale
Sienna = not really sure: maybe fits in between the other two.
All three have differences in standard equipment that matter to some, and not as much to others.
Also agree. Plus I tested the Nissan Quest. WONDERFUL engine! I hated the center "pod" and center guage cluster. When van was in Drive, it even hid part of the heating system.
BTW, where IS the coin holder?
WVK
If a vehicle is used for transportation only, then almost any vehicle brand would do, aside from its reliability expectations.
First Impressions: I like the silver paint, but the LX hubcaps look a little off matched up with that color. I only saw one vehicle (a Gold/Ivory EX-L), which I also test drove. If I'd have had a better idea of the interior colors, I probably would have picked a different color and gone with ivory or whatever the other interior color is besides gray. The gray cloth LX interior is just a bit too gray, sort of like cigarette ashes and German weather mixed together (just about everybody smokes here and the sun is a UFO). Those personal preferences aside, I like the feel of the cloth, and although the seat felt a bit funny at first, I found that if I set the seatback almost straight up it was very comfortable (4 hour drive back home didn't cause any problems). I'm sure the color will grow on me and I'll not even notice it in a week. My wife has no problem with it...she thinks it will hide all the stains and dirt that come with three kids being kids in the van.
Honda should do something different with the way they finish the cuts in the floor carpet for the rear magic seat to fold back. The flap behind the right seat had a piece of velcro taped to it that was a joke, it looked horrible. Fortunately, nobody looks back there, and in a week (or probably tomorrow) I won't care. Still, it makes a bad first impression on the new owner or potential buyer.
The engine is smooth, and other than a bit of rumble from the drivetrain, the engine noise was very well managed. Even being judicious with my right foot (according to break in procedures), the car merges well on the Autobahn. I never reached more than about 3500 rpm, and that was enough to keep the trucks at bay, even on short on-ramps.
My only complaint is that my van is one of the "whistlers". I'm not real sensitive to noise, but this van chirps and whistles between 35mph on up to 70mph, then the chirps and whistles disappear at 80mph. Fortunately, 80mph (130km/h) is normal for the Autobahn. I have noticed a gap in the front window molding (the piece that goes around the wipers, and I'm wondering if it could be the culprit (maybe like a pop bottle when you blow across the top?) The whistling is VERY noticeable, but even so I think it must have some sort of aerodynamic fix.
The guy at the port said I was the second one to pick up a 2005 Odyssey here in Germany, so I will probably have to educate my dealer and the local Honda shop (who sell a 4-door van similar to the old 95-98 Odyssey, only much more modern, lower, and sleeker) on how to fix the problem. Anyone out there that can guide me to the most successful fix for this problem? I like songbirds, but having one sing right in front of my face gets annoying....and I can't always drive 80mph, even in Germany.
GGS,
what is that simple to implement fix for the windnoise problem? Will it require me to wait for parts to cross the Atlantic to Germany, or is it simply ensuring the windshield cowling is sealed flush with the windshield all the way across? (My Ody whistles, and it has a pronounced gap between that cowling and the windshield that runs for over a foot right near the center of the windshield).
Anyone know of US dealers that have had a track record of success using these TSBs, and that wouldn't mind my German Honda dealer contacting them?