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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna



  • atdrsatdrs Posts: 2
    I am kinda lost reference this NAV issue.

    Is this a toy to fight boredom or a real and usefull tool?

    How did we cope before we had this available?

    I probably just don't understand what all it can do.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    The last minivan comparo in June 2004 C & D showed the Ody at a 0.1 sec faster 0 - 60mph acceleration than the Sienna. To 100mph, the Ody increased that gap even further. And that was with the 240hp 2004 Ody with 240hp. The 2005 Ody with 255hp should see slightly better times. Also at the end of their (C & D )long term test the Siena was even slower by an additional 0.4+sec. Many believe that this slower time may be due to the use of regular gas in the Sienna instead of the needed premium gas to get the rated 230hp - the hp was slightly lower with regular gas. Many web links support the use of premium gas for the Sienna rated 230hp.


    Note that C & D perform their tests in a spirited, lively way like "car guys" do. Other agencies, like Consumers Report, perform their acceleration tests in a more leisurely "laid-back" fashion like our "Aunt Mildred" which results in much slower accel times for all vehicles in general.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775


    Little does he know that that the Ody is faster!


    Maybe he is interpreting larger accel times as being faster! In HIS world, the Viper with a 0-60 time of 3.9 secs is slower than a Sienna or Ody at 7+ secs.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    One comment to add:


    If ferazine fits the description of our "Aunt Mildred" and it sounds that way, then he/she would find that Sienna handles to his/her liking.


    Only car enthusiasts(and like all the testing agencies) would appreciate/acknmowledge the superior handling of the Ody over the competition.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    If you got lost as easily as I do, you'd want a NAV. Even when I print out a Mapquest map I still miss my turns. NAV systems are still a bit spendy for my budget unfortunately.


    Steve, Host
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 850
    My Sienna came with two consoles. One admittedly is larger than the other, but they are interchangeable.
  • If you have good sense of direction, good at reading maps, and don't mind asking for direction, then the NAV is probably just an expensive toy for you. Until you see a good navigation system at work, you will have a hard time appreciate how useful it can be.


    I have never used the 05 Ody NAV, but I have used the NAV on the 05 Acura TL. I only have one word for it, Awesome! :)
  • jvdfjvdf Posts: 3
    Thanks everyone, I tried it today in the 8 passenger Sienna LE. The Sienna does definitely fit 3 carseats and does have LATCH for 3 seats. I tried 2 Britax which are large FF car seats and one Graco RF infant and they do fit well. Yeah!
  • ewtewt Posts: 127
    I could live without ours 98% of the time, but it is awfully nice when you're traveling in unfamiliar areas and just listen for directions and have detailed maps of upcoming turns/intersections projected on the screen rather than fumbling around with a map and watching street signs. It's also a good resource for finding hotels/gas stations/resturants on trips. Is it worth $2K for that purpose alone? Probably not, however, my more frequent and probably more important use for the NAV screen is that it displays output from the backup camera which is very welcome while backing up a vehicle with a sizeable blind spot directly behind it, and it also allows you to control the DVD player from the screen. I wouldn't say that it is one of those "I wouldn't buy a car without it" features at this point, but it is very nice to have.
  • ncguy1ncguy1 Posts: 9
    Did you get the XLE Limited? Is it standard or an accessory?
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 850
    Mine is just an XLE (non-Limited).

    The extra console is standard. I've actually never opened it. It's here on my desk, still in the plastic bag it came in. We use the large one between the front seats. But it can be moved to the rear, and the smaller one used up front.


    I've read here--and the brochure says--that some Limiteds have a folding tray instead of a center console, depending on the option package. But I've never been inside a Limited.
  • ewtewt Posts: 127
    "If ferazine fits the description of our "Aunt Mildred" and it sounds that way, then he/she would find that Sienna handles to his/her liking.


    Only car enthusiasts(and like all the testing agencies) would appreciate/acknmowledge the superior handling of the Ody over the competition."


    The "car guys buy Odysseys and Aunt Mildred types buy Siennas" comment is getting repetitive and tiresome. I'd be happy to compare my "car guy credentials" against yours. Here's about 9 of the roughly 5000 track miles my "other" Toyota has done in the last 5 years:


    There just isn't that much difference between them and neither is particularly rewarding to drive. The Odyssey has a slightly firmer ride/handling tradeoff, but ultimately they're both big top-heavy boxes that hold a lot of stuff but don't handle anything like a good sports sedan or sports car. Anybody who thinks otherwise has more in common with Aunt Mildred than a car guy.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    The comparison is within the minivan category and within that category, there will be one that performs/handles more car-like than others. One has to compare apples to apples not to oranges, even though in some cases the apple may "perform better" than the orange.


    I have been a car nut for over over 30 years and have been in car rallies since the late sixties starting with the Mini-Coopers and Lotus Cortinas of those days, and migrating to the more technologically advanced vehicles of today.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Keep it up and I'm going to drag the Where are the high performance minivans? board out of the archives <g>.


    Steve, Host
  • ewtewt Posts: 127
    I guess it depends on how much importance you place on handling when choosing a minivan. I view arguing about minivan handling about as relevant as arguing about the luggage capacity of sports cars. They don't hold much and minivans don't handle well, so it's not a big factor in making a buying decision in either case for me.


    If you do place a great deal of value on it, that's fine, but that doesn't make people who don't "Aunt Mildreds." I bought a minivan to serve as a family hauler, which it does with a high degree of proficiency. Handling did enter into it to some degree in that I chose one over a SUV of similar interior space because I didn't want to pilot the Queen Mary on a daily basis, but the differences between the top minivans just aren't that big. If somebody made something with a similar degree of utility and great handling, I'd be all over it, but such a beast unfortunately doesn't exist.
  • thumperthumper Posts: 75

    Right here!



    Mwahahahahahah. :)


    Ok, just so the newbies don't get lost in the sea of subjectivity. The Honda guys will say their van feels sporty till they're blue in the face, while the Toyota guys say it doesn't make a difference. It's going to be a subjective opinion based on: a) Who you are, b) Your personal driving style, and c) Your frame of reference (i.e. was your last car a Le Car, or an IROC Z?)


    For me, there is a perceived difference in the feel between the Odyssey and the Sienna. (gasp! What? no way!) Punching the accelerator in the Odyssey was met with a growl and good acceleration. No, nothing that'll make a BMW quiver with fear, but good enough for a 2-ton mammoth. The Sienna, when punched, rewarded me with a momentary "huh?" before continuing with smooth quiet delivery of power. Slightly less power, by seat-of-the-pants feel, but part of that may be perception due to the lack of noise and hubaloo. But it didn't feel like a slug.


    Some people like the growl and relative tossability of the Odyssey. Others like the quiet refined power and buttercream ride of the Sienna. In the end it was of secondary importance to other factors in our purchasing decision. (i.e. price and availability) But having a 60's era small block Chevy as my first car, I like a little growl now and then. :)


    --> Andy
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    commmercially - I'm not sure it's viable but a slightly smaller Honda ODY with a stick is what I'd really like to see...


    yeah steve - one vote for bringing back the performance forum.


    i'd have to agree with thumper that your preferences, specifically previous experience and hence expectations in drivability *may* strongly influence your decision - that is, unless you are wowed by features or price or some other factor.


    my criteria did include drivability factors - and my preference was for a more sporty setup similar to vehicles i had owned and driven in the past. absolutely.


    other people will prefer drivability factors that differ from mine. still others won't weigh drivability as important as did i. some will even say that a van is a van and they all drive pretty much the same...


    if you don't notice the difference, or you don't really care, then that isn't a criteria which will strongly influence your purchasing decision.


    isn't it great that not every manufacturer makes the same vehicle? isn't it great we aren't all of identical minds?


    hence "the mine is better than yours" discussions based on these metrics are a bit wasteful of bandwidth in a general forum like this. just my opinion.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    <g>yeah steve - one vote for bringing back the performance forum<g>


    lol, I was joking, but why not; maybe there are some new hot rods out there since the last go round.


    Steve, Host
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,602
    Oh yeah, those would be HUGE sellers! NOT! :)
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    There will be always be at least two classes of vehicles owners:


    1.) Those who view their vehicles as primarily for transportation with no/less emphasis on vehicle performance or driving enjoyment. i.e the more "Aunt Mildred" types.


    2.) Those who place greater emphasis on vehicle performance and driving enjoyment during the actual process of getting transportation from the vehicle.


    It is clear where our preferences lie above.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    I gave up the stick shift many years ago! It is not necessary for high performance. There are many high performance vehicles out there with automatics - it is a convenience that many would not give up these days.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    I guess I'd better stick an Aunt in my profile then.


    My Outback is mild red come to think of it (as was my old Tercel).


    Steve, Host
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    and why not?


    my wife and i would have better control of the vehicle, MPG, and perhaps transmission longevity.


    at the least, we'd be more engaged in the process of active driving... we don't, for example, drive and use a cell phone at the same time, and we don't go heads down, looking for DVDs to pacify the little ones.


    one might argue, automatic transmissions in vehicles are "enabling" technology for those with poor driving technique. ;)
  • ewtewt Posts: 127
    Oh please. You'll be hard pressed to find somebody who is more obsessed with cars and performance than me and I drive a Sienna. My other car is a 500 hp sports car that spends most of its miles on racetracks. Do you do anything similar, or do you just tool around in your Odyssey feeling like you're driving a Porsche with sliding doors and three rows of seats?


    Choosing a Sienna does not make you less of a car enthusiast than somebody who chooses a Odyssey. You're making a choice about a car that is inherently uninolving to drive, and for many of us a marginal improvement in the fun-to-drive department just isn't near the top of the list for items to consider when making a minivan purchase decision. All else equal, I'd rather have the firmer ride of the Odyssey, but there are several other things I like better on the Sienna that outweigh that.


    Also, the logic behind your statement would mean that none of us are car guys since we've purchased minivans rather than something more enjoyable to drive. Most of us could make due with a big sports sedan as a family hauler. A good friend still does, and I did for several years before getting before getting tired of a lack of space and got a minivan to fix the problem.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Only 500HP for the race tracks? You can buy stock cars with this hp for everyday driving. No big deal! Let's see - Viper, new M5, etc.


    Should be at least 800+hp to play the game in the race tracks!


    Just ask any serious race car driver.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,602
    " And why not?"


    You are kidding...right?


    In case you are really's because few if any buyers would want one!


    better "control" over the vehicle with a stick?


    Never understood that one.
  • doug889doug889 Posts: 60
    Ditto, ewt. I just bought a Sienna XLE Ltd so I guess I am in the Aunt Milfred category too according to macakava's reasoning. But I also have a 2003 BMW 330 convertible as my weekend car too! macakava may still call me Aunt Milfred. I didn't buy a mini van to show that I am a serious driver! Does macakava really think that people driving an Ody are perceived by others as "serious driver"? Give me a break! I chose the Sienna for its comfortable ride, smoothness, quietness and better interior materials. I have no desire to corner at 60mph when I am hauling my family. The Ody is a nice van and has some things better than the Sienna but driving a Sienna doesn't make me a lesser driver than people driving an Ody.
  • I see that the 05 Ody is now being discounted in my area ( Chester County, PA ) by $1500-$2000. Very interesting.......
  • ewtewt Posts: 127
    Exactly. If he wants to continue thinking he's driving a sports car and that his Odyssey makes him a better person, he's welcome to his fantasies. I'm done arguing about it.
  • burta10burta10 Posts: 28
    ...stick shift, 500 HP, seven seats with 5 point harnesses (one reserved for Aunt Mildred), Ody or Sienna on the back tailgate...


    You sure this wouldn't sell?


    I think the idea of a smaller van that can still seat 7 (with manual shift as an option) is great, and we may see it in the future if, make that when, gas prices go up again. Anyone that can explain how automatic transmissions are more efficient than a manual? I know they are more efficient than earlier, but I would think a stick would have an efficiency advantage. Honda and Toyota 7 passenger vehicles here in Europe are much smaller than a Sienna or Odyssey, and come with the choice of manual or automatic. Gas is $5 a gallon, and buyers must pay an increasingly larger tax here as they increase engine displacement, so there are a number of small vehicles here with manual shift.

    I'd definitely buy something smaller with a manual transmission, but not if I would have to pay a huge safety penalty. Any manufacturers working on something like this? (I'd settle for less than 500 hp, but the 5-point harnesses would still be nice to keep the kids under control)
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