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I am not surprised, and that problem is not confined to the Yaris. That is why I like it when ABS and side bags/curtains are standard--no problem finding cars with those features then! Unfortunately, in this class the only cars like that are the Fit and, for now, the Accent (ABS goes away as standard for '07 except in the SE 3-door). At least with the '07 Accent GLS the ABS is part of a ubiquitous power package so it should be fairly easy to find.
That has the front airbags and also the seat-mounted driver and passenger side and side curtain airbags plus rear seat side and curtain airbags. Airbags coming out of it's cute little ears.
I looked at it again on the way home and it's a little unusual in it's styling. I could see a lot of shopper's passing on the Yaris sedan. That bulging "laughing Flipper" front end is not for everybody, I'm sure. The wrap-around taillight and even the full-on taillight treatment is pretty much standard econo-car fare with nothing out of the ordinary, but I seem to like it. And I usually don't like Toyota small-car looks.
I don't know, if I like the test drive my next job becomes encouraging my wife to like it enough to pull the trigger when the Sportage is running like a champ and chews up Pocatello's wintery-tough roads and spits them out like yesterday's beef jerky. What a nice little SUV it is, I agree with her. Oh well, I am going to dig a Yaris test drive at least, even if chances of purchasing that Yaris sedan are more remote for me than the chances the Detroit Lions have of making it to the Super Bowl next season. :shades:
It's just so fun to shop around, though, eh? If it bowls me over with joy I'll try to sell the idea.
Can my Yaris sedan with 5-speed tranny and Barcelona Red paint job really achieve 34 city and 40 highway mpg, though, guys? Is that Toyota window sticker BS or really feasible?
backy or nippononly, what do you think about that? I'd be pleased as Ted Nugent after another wild animal kill to get that kind of ghastly mileage, my friends.
Also, I leave both the Fit and the Versa out of my search so it makes things a lot simpler if I decide to pursue a purchase. The only other rig I'm narrowing down my serious search to is the 2006 Kia Rio LX sedan and Kia Rio5. Those two subcompacts new from Kia are getting really good reviews from buyers and the press and I'd be seriously remiss to not test drive them both as well.
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YOu are right about what you can preorder and what you can get. Toyota is making certain yaris's for certain regions it sounds like. The one I have to get has all the air bags and stuff in it. Which I am not too excited about. I really didn't want the side air bags. But the rest of the stuff if pretty nice. My cost will be around $13,150 when all is said and done. It will be either silver or bayou blue. MY dealership said they had no automatics in all of the northwest they said. I suppose he's lieing through his teeth. So I had to go manual. But in a month I should finally have my 40 mile to the gallon yaris. yippee.
I have to pay $198.00 for the paperwork stuff with toyota. That sounds kind of high to me. Does anyone else have to pay out that much to get all the paper work stuff done when you buy it.
I think the Echo I currently have (which has the same engine by the way) had a window sticker that said 34/41, and I am getting 39+ in around-town suburban driving. That is a running average that currently covers about 7000 miles and three months.
So can it be done? Quite easily, but you cannot drive street-racer style or your numbers will be lower.
Whatever else you say about the Yaris (and a few choice comments are warranted, especially about what I am sure will be a VERY limited availability of ABS and side airbags, and weird packaging of options, among other things), it retains the title of best fuel economy among gas cars, and betters the new Korean competition with a rating that is 10-20% better.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Have you tried www.crutchfield.com ?
ill have to give that title to corolla at 32 city 41 highway. i bought mine after much research and test driving. it seems people are getting very good real world mileage with them. i just finished my first tank with my corolla--42.5 mpg. that was about 25% city/75% highway at 70 mph.(and presumably mileage should improve with break in) the corolla is definitely quieter and bigger and has more power. if the yaris had higher mpg estimates, i could have been swayed to buy one, but for $14500 i got a corolla with everything i need. since the yaris promises poorer mileage than the echo it replaces and no better than the current corolla, they need to configure the yaris so theyre not showing up on lots at 14-15k.
Oh, and as to this:
"they need to configure the yaris so theyre not showing up on lots at 14-15k"
what they're going to do from now on I'm SURE is not build Corollas that sticker for under $16K or $16,5, so that the days of Corollas at $14,5 + fees are well and truly numbered. It's the Toyota way.
But I continue to agree with the general sentiment of your comments, and in fact it echoes what I posted above. Anyone paying more than $14K for a Yaris sedan ought to be looking hard at their options in the Corolla line first. And there ARE a few things to dislike about Corollas that are not present in Yarii, like the weird steering wheel position and offset, the lack of side marker lights and foldaway mirrors, not to mention the sheer ubiquity after 4+ years of 300K+/year in sales.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
If the 2007 Toyota Yaris sedan can deliver 34 city and 40 highway miles per gallon then I will have made a smart, frugal car purchase. The thing is is I mostly cruise around town in Pocatello and occasionally head up to the large assortment of stores and movie theaters in Idaho Falls, ID, 50 miles north of here. What I'm thinking is that since I work a week then get a week off on a repeating basis that that's a lot of time off and I'd love to get to know vast Idaho and it's many parks and beautiful features better. That includes my love of exploring ghost towns.
Do I stay with the 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4 that gets 19 city and 24 highway and is very, very, reliable and is as cute as a bug, too? Or do I take the plunge and get that Flipper-fronted 2007 Toyota Yaris sedan in Barcelona Red, 5-speeds and loaded to the gills with nice options for $14,650?
Here's my point. I believe I paid around $14,500 for my new 1994 Ford Escort wagon in the spring of 1994. That was a good car and it only had 1 thing go wrong before I traded it in...it busted an exhaust manifold and was fixed for free under Warranty and Ford gave me a loaner car while it was being repaired. That was bought 12 years ago for about the same price and I didn't see what the big deal was paying a titch over 14 big ones then for my Escort. It was a decent wagon.
Guys, I think that this new Yaris sedan will be a great car and a bargain for $14,650. It's loaded with safety and comfort features and has that small-car, quirkiness that I love. It's not a sedan for everybody, yet it has a handsome quality that I love, too. Plus, it has that look to it that Kia does well that invites second looks to map out it's style. Do you know what I mean by that?
I think what I'm saying is that we're a one-rig couple and I will pay a certain amount for a small, high-quality car. Contrary to what you've been told Kia can and yes has delivered that for us so this purchase decision will have to include a Kia Rio or Kia Spectra test drive as well. Finally, here's my point. I don't think that the $14,195 Kia is aking for the 2006 Kia Rio5 is asking too much nor do I think that the $14,650 Toyota is asking for the Yaris is asking too much, either. If I decide I want one I won't bother haggling, these are Scion-priced rigs that don't require haggling at all. I know some of you will wonder why but that is how I feel. I actually think that the manufacturer and dealer deserve to stay in business and continue providing the cars, parts and dealer service network that is required to provide the same quality product come next purchase time. To me, the dealer and the manufacturer are my friends and I want to develop a relationship with each of them.
For instance, if Robert Allen Kia or Phil Meador Toyota refuse to offer a good trade-in amount for my Sportage 4x4 I'll immediately get up and walk out. I don't have to buy right now. I should include Teton Toyota of nearby Idaho Falls, ID, in my discussion as well. Who knows, they may be the dealer hungrier for a sale and be the one I go with. With every other week off going the 50 miles north to Teton Toyota for the occasional dealer service wouldn't be a pain with all the stores and shopping also available up there in Idaho Falls.
This whole exercise is going to get a lot more interesting soon, a Yaris test drive is imminent in the very near future. I just have a feeling I'm gonna dig the Yaris sedan. To be continued, probably before I get the chance to test drive anything!
Oh, getting a Corolla is not an option for me. No offense, but that car is b-l-a-n-d looking! They spent some more time giving the Yaris sedan character lines.
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thanks :confuse:
Since "Yaris" doesn't mean anything in either English or any other European languages, it's immuned to those automatic negative connotations....
It sounds like I need to come in with an offer, plus I think I will throw a trade in, I feel like offering $500 over invoice and $500 under KBB on my trade, does this seem reasonable for a car that is in high demand right now? Edmunds said I should pay sticker... what are you guys paying?
Also anyone have the car with the green LCD integrated stereo? Is this nice, I prefer the stock black toyota stereo, I daw on the ones we have locally in KY, and think you loose that with the power option. Hope that green LCD funky stereo is nice and easy to use or worth the ability not to replace it since its integrated into the console. any comments
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In that sense Japanese cars (although they hold their value well) are MUCH more expensive than their American counterparts. Although occasionally you can get an ad special at a great price or really beat up the dealer on a high volume model for a good price.
I can offer a few general tips on being careful with your ducats when you buy:
1. Be careful about your trade! Actually more money is usually made/lost on trades than on the new car. New cars are sold on very thin margins. The used car lots at most dealers make more money for the dealers than the new car side. Carmax (if there is one near you) offers fair and reliable trade in prices, without having to actually “trade in” – you just sell them your car. With no obligation you can get a quote from them, keep it in your pocket, and see if you can do better at the dealer. If you don't, take it back to Carmax and sell it to them. As a variation on this, if you have a popular car (basically any Honda or Toyota and some Nissans), take it to a dealer of that same brand and ask how much they will buy it for. Be prepared to dicker with them, taking with you a print out of an online pricing guide, such as Edmunds. Used car lots at new car dealers always low ball you at first, then come up to the “fair” or “good” online guide (for trade-ins, not private party pricing or dealer sale pricing!) condition price (excellent condition pricing is hard to come by). Be sure to take in all your service records, that actually makes a difference to them.
2. Watch your interest rate if you purchase! Check credit union and bank rates, also online rates like the advertisers on Edmunds. Be carefull about running too many credit applications over several weeks or months, they can hurt your credit score (but several checks in one week aren't a problem, if they are clustered within one week they are usually treated as a single inquiry, on the assumption you are shopping rates). Wait to run credit applications until the weekend you are ready to do buy (the last weekend in the month, when dealers are trying to make sales quotas, or a three day holiday weekend, are usually the best times to buy; also rainy or bad weather days, when customers are scarce; and buying 3 hours before closing will make the deal go faster). You can take a pre-approved online deal to a dealer and they will usually beat the rate. If you know your credit score (you should, there are a lot of online services you can use to check - I recommend one of the big three credit checking agencies, Experian, Transunion, and Equifac), you can go in with a good sense of the rate and the dealer will match it - if they show you a print out with a lower score, make sure it is from one of the three big credit reporting agencies, a recent scam is to use an agency that produces low numbers so F&I managers can try to negotiate up your rate. Remember the dealer gets to keep the difference between the "real" rate and the marked-up rate they can negotiate with you. In the worst case, get an agreement to replace the dealer’s contract with your own bank or credit union financing within 5 days. In the “worse than worst case,” (or if you dropped the ball!) refinance within 3 or 6 months ("second chance financing") from your local credit union, usually at their new car rate if you satisfy their mileage and age of vehicle requirements.
3. And the most important, do NOT buy anything from the F&I )finance and insurance) person that you don't really want and haven't researched before you sit down with him or her - the one who writes up the sale and loan contract. They try to sell you maintenance contracts, detailing contracts, alarms, etc. and these often have much more markup than the car itself. Before you go in to purchase, check the online price, from a dealer of the make you are buying, for a FACTORY extended warranty and your selling dealer will match the price (take in a printout of the online price). Same with alarm services, detail services, etc. (Remember there is no such thing as "lifetime" paint sealant - there is only high quality wax/polymers to begin with, plus periodic re-treatments - if you would like the dealer to do this when you are in for service, fine, but shop around and know what you are getting). Remember that if you finance such extras, you are paying now, for stuff that you won't get until later (pay now, buy later!) - even worse than the usual credit card setup.
Couple of other tips. Don't shop on monthly payment. Shop on discount from MSRP and value of your trade in. Many times, in my own personal experience, dealers have "marked up" the monthly payment with "pack" items like alarms, detailing, etc. Then they say "we got you the monthly payment you wanted" and I tell them "yeah, back out the stuff I don't want and it will come down even more!" Also make sure the loan term is what you wanted – if you asked for pricing on 60 months make sure it isn’t 72 months. Longer term loans are appearing (60 months is standard) but they carry higher interest rates. Always try to be nice and joke a little, never be arrogant or condescending. The auto industry is very thin profit margin, and the sales people and F&I people don’t like people with an attitude (they are people too and they’ve seen and heard a lot).
Never ever get mad and storm out. Whoever invented that technique didn't realize it just raises everyone's blood pressure. If you need an excuse to leave, just say it’s taking a lot longer than you expected and you’ve got to [pickup the kid, get back to your spouse, etc.]. But do realize that most new car purchases take between 4 and 8 (!) hours to close, if you want to haggle over the best deal (the shortest I’ve had is 2.5 hours on an ad special with no trade-in). This is partly a function of them juggling other sales, and wanting to wear down your resistance so when you meet the F&I person (who has this enormous power, at least that’s how you’ll perceive it when you are sitting there, to say yes or no to your credit) you’ll say “yes” to their packages. Take a couple of Power Bars with you, a magazine, and a sunny and optimistic disposition. They'd rather have you smiling than scowling. You’d rather have them enjoying the process and not hating your guts. You'll win in the end. Right now there are more sellers than buyers.
BTW-when I said that I would get up and leave if I didn't get decent value on my Sportage 4x4 trade-in, I didn't mean "storm out" of the dealership. We have been involved in one of those when the other half didn't agree with one of my purchase ideas. I'm such a car freak that she has to keep her eye on me(know what I mean!). With a Yaris sedan purchase, though, one of my selling points on purchasing one to my wife is that the little sedan should hold value pretty well, especially since we won't be racking up large mileage on it.
micweb, Carmax(if they're in your town)will just buy your vehicle outright from you? That might be worth looking into, if my local(one mile away!!) and somewhat local(50 miles away) Toyota dealers don't want to give decent trade in on the Sportage. Does Carmax only go after certain "highly sought-after" rigs or do they want a broad sweeping range of rigs to buy?
Very interesting idea, though. Could open up some nice possibilities. You can just obtain a quote from them online, no doubt, micweb?
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Toyota fails to build a better Corolla
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=109860
All the other things are not important to me from that review, as far as possible negatives. They're things that a person has to test drive and see for theirself but I don't see much wrong with the small sedan. I finally see one from Toyota where the styling speaks to me in a sporty, handsome sort of way. I really like the looks of the thing. And I've been firmly in the Kia camp chucking dirt clods at Toyota for about 5 straight years now!
This is gonna be fun this year, fun to see how I'm gonna resist trading that Sportsman in.
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This kind of thinking that cars need minimum 150+ hp to go anywhere is just ridiculous. 106 hp is perfectly fine and according to the C&D comparison, the Yaris tops out above 100 mph (something like 114 if I remember correctly), which is way above the maximum speed limit in most countries.
I don't like the Yaris' dashboard (I suppose it is something one gets used to), but most of the comments they make are really whiny...cupholders, the Yaris name, etc...give me a break.
I think their opinions ARE valuble as an indicator of how misplaced American values are at the present time. They seem to be right in step with those. At a time when Ameica needs to be conserving valuble resources like fossile fuel, they just dont get it. Its amazing how lost in the ozone they are.
I know it is hard for Toyota fans to admit, but maybe they just didn't like the car that much.
OBVIOUSLY Edmunds didnt like the ECHO (or the Yaris) all that much. They are almost totally ALONE in that opinion among other automative reviewers. Isnt that so?
C/D said about the Yaris (paraphrase): "It's a good replacement for the ECHO, but not a great replacement for the ECHO."
I looked at the previous generation Accent at the time I bought the ECHO. If C/D thinks the Accent is a better car than the ECHO that doesnt say much for C/D.
Go to Carmax on the web for all the details on their purchase your car program.
The Yaris will hold its value very well, at least my Scion xA and Echo got top dollar on trade in!
Hence, the other Yaris variant, this Yaris sedan. So those of us that want 4-doors(me!)and still want the looks of the Yaris and the great gas mileage here in America have some pickens to pick over! I am one that is glad they brought it over because it gives us a look at another body style in Toyota to look at. Being that it's a Toyota means that one will see plenty of them on the streets. Might as well be a good looking small Toyota, eh?
I don't know about you guys but the Yaris sedan doesn't look just like the Corolla. It looks better in front and back and to me it looks like it can also be tuned in the body as one sees fit(not something I would do but something tons of people do like to do to imports). It is very light(2,377 lbs., 104 lbs.lighter than the much-heralded Honda Fit)and the electronic power-assisted steering is supposedly causing it to wander during speeds over 55mph(see the May issue of C&D for their explanation on this if you want)and one must keep both hands on the wheel over that speed. Only passing on information I've read here-I have yet to test drive the little sedan.
Also, the front seat is said to not give enough thigh support. They felt like they were sloping down off the edge towards the dashboard. Humm...pretty strong accusations, there, don't ya think?
Those items I've listed could really be in the eye of the test-driver I think. Forward-sloping seats? A small Toyota that doesn't track properly over 55mph? Tell me it isn't so car tester's!
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This behavior (the front of the driver's seat bottom sloping down towards the front as the seat is raised) is a common issue with single-lever height adjusters. It's not just a knock on the Yaris. Other cars in which I've noticed this same thing include the Sonata (one of the worst in this regard) and the Spectra. Some cars with the single lever don't seen to be as bad, e.g. Mazda3 and Optima. It may have to do with the proportions of the driver, which is why it's not a problem for everyone.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/automobiles/09AUTO.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1
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""In our testing, we chose to go with the traffic flow rather than make an effort to coax the best mileage out of the cars. Still, when we calculated our actual mileage, it came pretty close to the E.P.A. estimates: 37.4 for the Yaris and 35.5 m.p.g. for the heavier Fit, in which we also used the manual-shifting paddles to rev the engine up for an occasional bit of hot-rodding.
The cars look quite different. I preferred the Yaris, with its simple, rounded and calm lines. Visually, the Fit seemed busy.
To me, the Yaris's design edge continued inside. Toyota's finely textured seat fabric seemed more sophisticated than Honda's. The Yaris's center-mounted gauges looked cleaner and more modern than the Fit's stacked controls.""
No mention of freeway wobble in the Yaris. I wondered about the objectivity of some of the other reviews. What with all the the bagging on the interior and actually giving the Fit a better exterior looks edge. But, having not seen the Fit I was prone to give the benefit of the doubt.
That is one of the oddest statements I have ever seen in an automotive comparo. IMO, the converse is true. Just shows how subjective car styling is.
Yes, I have the May C&D and have read the 7-car comparo. They score the Kia Rio5 very favorably, in fact, 3rd place, ahead of the Yaris sedan.
I kind of doubt the tracking concern in the Yaris sedan at speeds over 55mph. Would have to experience that one for myself before I'd believe it. The issue with the seats I wouldn't doubt until I sat in one and tested their seats for myself. Different body shapes and sizes would probably settle that one.
I do think that the Yaris sedan has clean, conservative lines that are at the same time attractive and even sporty. It's a nice look to me.
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Consider the source. To them a car is an extension of....and the Yaris (ECHO) just isnt doing it for them!
Looking at this picture...i can see their point about busy and calm.">
From the front view:
"busy"
"really busy"
"not busy"
The front shot of the Yaris S sedan is nice looking. I like the Yaris S and the base, but the S is a tad bit overpriced IMO. That is that Barcelona Red paint job that the Yaris base sedan at my local dealer has, with 5-speed tranny and Power Package. The other one I'm interested in there is in Nautical Blue, OK but I don't like it as much. Both base Yaris sedans are 5-speeds and have loads of extra airbags already installed, good stereo, etc., everything I'd want in one.
The only thing I'd change would be the wheels-I'd go look for some aftermarket rims to put on. That car would(or will!)look awesome with some nice rims on it. The Yaris sedan must be legitimate in my design eye, I am not tiring of looking at it after seeing it online and in person so many times. And it's a Toyota, too! :surprise:
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Apparently, it is the superior car by most accounts.
oh well
The base Yaris in Barcelona Red for sale in town here also has this plastic plate thing on top of the bumper and just below the trunk sheetmetal to protext that area from suitcase-type scrapes. Not something I would demand but kind of a nice touch. Those two base sedans are basically loaded. The one in Nautical Blue is $500 less, though, and the only thing missing is the "Northwest Protection Package" that Phil Meador Jeep-Subaru-Toyota of Pocatello, ID, supposedly puts on the car. I would ask one of their salemen just what it is they do for that extra $500, though. Seems very suspect to me, I looked at the options list and the two cars are similar except the blue one doesn't have this "NW Protection Package" included to boost the cost.
Anyhoo, I remain interested in this gas-saving small sedan from Toyota. Other front-runners for me are the Scion xA, Kia Rio LX sedan and the Kia Rio5 hatchwagon.
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I'm practical and always love to get a little bit off the price...what should I do? Will the gas prices drive the purchasing of this vehicle through the roof? Your advice? I'm STUCK!!! :confuse:
I have never even driven this bugger...but my husband says that it would take a lot for me to decide I didn't like it.