Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Suppose we raised the price to $1,000 for the cross country beater discussion, so we could add some maintenance and repair to the $500 cars? That would permit andre's entry to qualify, for example.

    Incidentally, that's a really nice looking New Yorker, andre. It seems to define luxury on a budget, and without worries. Heck, eliminating the worry factor is a luxury in itself.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,639
    I don't think I had seen that beast all waxed and shined up...looks amazing, you got a deal.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    So, figure $350 plus a roll of duct tape. :) My uncle went that route with his '03 Corolla a couple years ago when it took a hit to the rear that messed up the trunk. At least, until he had a chance to get it into the body shop.
  • steven922steven922 Member Posts: 49
    This one might make it, if you can find a buddy to help push start it every time you stop.

    http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/car/544063011.html
    :lemon:
  • fortee9erfortee9er Member Posts: 134
    Hi Mr. Shiftright,
    I like your $500 beater contest but lets keep it in this discussion. I am looking forward to what everyone else submits. I will be looking at a $500 Caddy Seville this weekend should I buy it I will send pics and details for your contest. However, the coast to cost part of the contest will have to remain a theory since I don't have the time to undertake a long road trip at the moment.
    This may make for a good reality tv show, a low low low buck Cannon Ball run.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    If this is all the sell claims, it sounds like a great deal in beatertown:
    1991 mazda 626 4-dr - $500

    And it's got a BLUE interior! :shades:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think $500 should be the limit....and let's allow say 10-15% bargaining room. I mean, given the cars you have all posted, these sellers don't have a lot of bargaining power, to say the least :P

    Now it's okay for a car to leak something since we will be stopping for gas and we can fill up the power steering, transmission, whatever. And of course cigarette burns, smashed fenders, seats that don't move----NO PROBLEMO.

    But without headlights and with bald tires, no, that's not a $500 car anymore.

    The $500 CANNON BALL -- a great idea but how can we monitor it for honesty? That would be tough, unless WE pick out the cars and assign them randomly to the drivers on the morning of the race start. And we can be kept honest by collecting $500 from each contestant for the car we give them. Drawing by lot.

    You know, there WERE one or two cars on that list that *might* make it.

    A Mazda 626 with a new (yet another) head gasket? I don't THINK so....

    Tires are important, You have to have tires.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Are you allowed to spend anything for repairs if the car cost $500, or is $500 the limit, including repairs? Of course it's understood that if you buy a car for, say, $400, you can't repair much with $100.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Nope $500 is the limit but you can add fluid. The idea is to "nurse" what isn't so great on the car and take advantage of what IS good on it.

    I guess maybe we would make an exception and put a $100 cap to correct ticket-able offenses, such as bad brake lights, broken lenses, etc. But again, the supervisors of the race will buy the cars and make the corrections prior to distributing the cars by random lot.

    The idea is to reward courage (or folly) and fortitude, not mechanical ability or the size of one's wallet.

    This is in the spirit of the "Age of the Iron Men" (or Women) who raced in the very early days. Tires? Heaters? Windshields? BAH. FEH!

    I'd like it to be a little dangerous and risk-prone, but not fatal of course. It's about adventure, not winning, although there will be a sizable purse.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Think Edmunds might go for this (hint, hint)? Just think of all the free publicity this would generate! To make it more of an adventure, don't use any interstates. I'd suggest US Route 50.

    But better schedule it for spring or fall, so no one dies of hypothermia or heat stroke when the inevitable breakdowns occur in the middle of nowhere.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    We'll probably have a Sag Wagon sweep the course every day. That'll be part of your entry fee.

    I'd like to be able to have people buy and prep their own cars, but it's so hard to make it fair. Providing cars to the entrants solves that problem but takes away some of the anticipatory excitement, regrettably.

    Can't we just trust people not to cheat?

    No.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,639
    Those little Civic 4x4 wagons are kind of cool...if that one is decent, it is worth the money easily.

    That 87 Eldo has a very amusing interior. No wonder Caddy was in deep doodoo
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    '87 Eldo? No thanx! I'll keep my Park Ave, delaminating clear coat and all! If Cadillac kept going in the direction of cars like the '87 Eldorado, I guarantee I'd be driving a Lexus or Mercedes today. The Brougham was their only saving grace in those dark days. A spare Brougham? If I know me, I'd be trying to restore it to perfect. I have a hard enough time trying to keep myself from foolishly blowing money to bring the '88 Park Ave to concours standards.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Was that generation of Torino, the '70-71, really all that bad? I kinda like them, especially in hardtop form. For truly suck-ulent, I think you really have to look a bit later in the 70's.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    IIRC, that Torino was 4200 pounds of car on a ten-year-old 3200-pound platform. :sick:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,939
    a torino was my dream car in high school. :sick:
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,158
    Wasn't this one the turbo? Uh-Oh, squared!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    When I was a kid, my Dad had a '71 Torino for awhile, but it was just a 4-door sedan. Sort of a sage green color. I think it had a 302 V-8. The 289 was gone by then, right? When my Great-Granddad passed away in 1977, it got handed down to my Dad.

    I remember Dad backing into a pole with it, which left a crease in the rear bumper, and I think it got the edge of the trunklid as well. After my Mom & Dad divorced, Dad moved to Florida and took it down there. I think it finally threw a rod or something, which seemed to be a recurring theme with him. Back around 1971, he had a '66 Impala SS396 hardtop, which threw a rod on a lonely country road, and he just left it there!

    In the late 70's, one of my neighbors, kind of a snooty, stuck up lady, had a later-style Gran Torino coupe, perhaps a 1975-76. Big, fat thing with fender skirts that made it look even plumper. Once the recession really started hitting full-force and gasoline started getting scarce and expensive, she swapped it for, of all things, a 1971 Coupe DeVille! I guess big behemoths like that were dirt cheap once fuel prices shot up, sort of like big SUVs today. But, if what I've heard about those Torinos is true, then that Caddy probably wasn't any thirstier than the Ford!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    My Dad had a 1970 Ford Torino two-door hardtop. It was gold metallic with a black vinyl top with a gold brocade and vinyl interior. It was powered by a 302 V-8.

    One Sunday morning my Dad, brother and I are on our way to church. My Dad notices his car parked crooked and then walks around to the other side and hear him yell, "Oh no! OH NO!" The left rear corner of the car is crushed almost to the rear window. Later on he found out that the guy who owned a deli several blocks away hit it with a red 1971 Pontiac LeMans the previous night. Dad did get the car fixed, but it was never quite the same and he shortly dumped it for a 1972 Ford LTD Country Squire.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think about $500 would be more than sufficient for that 745i, for parts.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    But that meant he jumped from the proverbial frying pan to the fire, as I recall from your past accounts?
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Oh yeah! That 1972 Ford LTD was easily the worst car my Dad ever owned.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...with my Dad's 1972 Ford LTD:

    Water pump failed twice
    Starter failed
    Brake rotors warped
    Tailgate power window failed twice
    Dashboard cracked
    A/C failed
    Antenna broke
    Rusted with a fiendish vengeance
    Soft plugs blew
  • fortee9erfortee9er Member Posts: 134
    I've owned a 1984 BMW 745i for seven years now it is a great car but not cheap to maintain/repair. My car is in very good condition and I try to keep it that way or even improve on it. At the moment the car is in the shop for regular maintenace, climate control issues, instrument cluster rebuild, and the unforseen: a leaking front crank seal and the brake booster (hydroboost) has a ruptured diaphragm.
    Ouch this is going to hurt!
    I paid $3700 for my car seven years ago then spent another $3k to bring maintenance up to date, replace wheels and tires with 16" Dunlop Sports, Momo wood steering wheel, new factory floor mats, and misc small stuff. I am the second owner and have all receipts since new but I have never been tempted to add up the receipts. My heart would probably give out.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,798
    how many miles did it have when you bought it and how many does it have now?

    I didn't realize an '84 was a 745. What years was it the 740?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,158
    Wasn't the 745i a grey market car, a turbo 6?
  • fortee9erfortee9er Member Posts: 134
    It had 110k miles when I bought and it now has about 125k. The odometer broke a while back but it has not been driven much since the summer of '05. I last filled the gas tank on my way home from the body shop (paint job and all new rubber gaskets) on 11/06.
  • fortee9erfortee9er Member Posts: 134
    Yes, the E23 745i (3.5l 6 cyl with a turbo) was not sold in North America by BMW. I bought the car from the original owner who imported the car.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,939
    my mother calls me: don't you have a book that give used car values?
    me: i don't have a book, but i can ask someone to give me a number.
    mom: good, my friend has a 1989 ls400 with 190,000 miles on it. (i think the first model was 1990, could have bought it in 1989.).
    me: that is a tough one. there is no 'book' on a car like that. it has too many miles and is judged on a case by case basis.
    mom: how can she find out what is it worth?
    me: um, maybe she can take it to carmax and see what they will give her for it.
    mom: it hasn't been driven in 4 years and nothing happens when you try to start it.
    me: a new battery would be a good place to start.
    mom: she said something about finding a dead mouse.
    me: i think it is toast.

    being the optimist, if it can be started, maybe it is worth something as a write off as a tax donation. i don't think it is 'The Hemi in the Barn'.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Sounds like a $1,500 car to me TOPS. If there was a photo, I might say less. I might say junk it.

    Judging from comparables, you can find really clean ones with under 150K miles for between $3,500---$5,000. And I mean NICE cars, ready to roll.

    Chronic issues on these cars are steering racks and disintegrating leather interior.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,639
    I've seen nice early LS in my area with ~100K miles for no more than 5K. It sounds like that car could be a lost cause. If it has the messed up steering or the dead backlit cluster - it's toast. And the interiors on the early ones really did decompose over time...not good.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    it's not a very interesting car, so probably not worth saving unless it were really pristine. They look old fashioned now so the prestige isn't there either. Also kind of a gas hog. I'd put jumper cables on it and if it ran and everything lit up (except the warning lights) I'd drive it home for $500. There's always another sucker at that price.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...would make the car worthless. A mouse died in our office over a holiday weekend and caused such a stench, even removal of the mouse's corpse did nothing to alleviate the smell. The maintenance workers had to remove the portion of the carpet where the mouse died to finally rid the office of the smell.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    about 10 years ago, there was a mouse problem at my grandmother's house. My uncle put out some traps and some poison for them. In retrospect, the poison probably wasn't a good idea. We didn't see any more mice for awhile, but then I kept smelling something. It wasn't a constant smell, but seemed to come and go. Seemed to be coming from the refrigerator.

    I pulled the fridge out, and found a nest of them in the condensation tray, dead. I'm guessing that tray would fill up with water, rejuvenating the smell, and then would go away when it dried out. But since it kept filling back up, the dead mice never had a chance to totally dry out. Pretty nasty experience.

    I had a mouse problem in my garage last winter. I think I ended up catching 7-8 mice and even a vole or two (looks like a mouse but cuter, but supposedly more viscious). It was getting so bad that one morning I started up my New Yorker, and as I was backing out of the garage, one of them jumped out from that gap under the hood and tried to climb up the windshield! Every time I started the LeMans, I'd hear a plop, as one would jump off the back of it, and I found a few mouse turds on the plastic spacer between the bumper and the body.

    I found the hole where they were getting in and caulked it up. Haven't had any problems yet this winter, although I'm a bit surprised because I'm sure there's other places the could find to get in.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I always wondered if one got sucked into the air intake of a modern fuel injected car, if it could make it all the way out the tailpipe.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    BENZ/JAGUAR --- both are money pits but the Benz sounds pretty decent for the money. Shoot, I'd take a look at it for that price.

    The Jaguar is, of course, hopeless (even when new). The seller seems seriously deluded. I loved the comment about "dual gas tanks for long trips" --LOL! (actually there was no room for one large tank, so they put in saddle tanks on either side in order to coat both sides of the road equally with leaking gasoline). Sure, it'll do 140 mph if you fired it out of the turret of the USS MIssouri.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I loved the comment about "dual gas tanks for long trips" --LOL! (actually there was no room for one large tank, so they put in saddle tanks on either side in order to coat both sides of the road equally with leaking gasoline).

    I always wondered why they did that dual tank thing. Makes sense now. I guess the car was too low-slung to get a gas tank underneath the trunk floor without making it hopelessly shallow, so they just tucked two small ones in along the sides of the trunk. Those cars have an independent rear suspension, right? If that's the case, I guess they could have had a tank under the back seat that straddles the driveshaft, like they do with newer RWD cars. But again, those cars were so low-slung, and the back seats were kinda small, that perhaps that wouldn't have worked, either.

    How fast would one of those things realistically go? I guess I just keep thinking that if I could get a 1991 Civic up to 115, a Jag should be a lot quicker. Of course, there's a BIG difference between going 115 downhill, and getting up to 140!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Top speed is listed at 128 mph. Good luck trying that---maybe in a vacuum, on a flat road and give it 1/2 hour to get there.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,432
    Was this restored or just painted at Maaco This has a general look of crappiness for a 'restored' car

    Alot of work done but still too much to go

    Probably too much of a rust bucket when seen in person

    What's the deal with the dashboard? This looks decent for the price but can't imagine that the Daytona Digital dash enhances the value

    Maybe take the boat off the hood and take another pic

    good story for a basket case car

    Too much money for 130k on the car

    btw: not a running $500 car in sight around here
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That's a crappo Maaco paintjob for sure. I can spot housepaint a mile away. Did they use a broom?

    Rust in a VW structural part of the floorpan?--- lotsa luck. Nice seats, but where's the piano that fell on them? Rusty VWs (or Porsches) of that era are scary. If they are rusted where the pillers attach to the frame, you can just throw them away.

    El Camino SS -- he's asking a bit much for a car with so-so paintwork. $14K should buy you a fairly clean El Camino. These are Chevelle coupes poor sister.

    Mazda 6 with salvage---well if he's asking $7,500, then the "minor damage" that totalled the car must have been estimated at----? That's a pretty large scratch.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,782
    also looks like a stock footage picture, never a good sign when they won't show the real thing.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Kind of a shame about that '61 Crap DeVille. I'd love to get a '61-62 sometime, but I think this is one style where I'd actually prefer the 4-door hardtop to the 2-door. Of course, a convertible would be the one to have, but I'm sure they're pretty pricey these days.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    At least $20K for anything halfway decent. A very passable 4-door should go for less than half of that.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The dummy would've been better off trying to sell that 1961 Coupe DeVille as it was rather than slathering that sloppy paint job all over the body. Anybody who would've wanted to restore it now has the extra step of having to undo this slob's abortive attempt at a paint job. That blue most definately is not a 1961 Cadillac color and the car looks stupid.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's the age old problem. Relatively inexpensive "classics" fall into the hands of those who can't afford to do them justice. I've seen many a hand=painted MGB and dry-walled Alfa (my nickname for bondo :P )
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,639
    Maybe not horribly overpriced, nice to see it hasn't been cut up - I like it, but I don't know about the colors.
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