Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Yeah, and you don't want to crash in one of those Blazers either

    At least your chest and your left leg will fare good. ;)

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Wow that's a nice shape Supra. :surprise:

    The price is steep, but he'll prolly keep it till he finds that one buyer wanting that exact car and willing to pay that coin.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    My dad would always say he didn't feel safe in his 85 either....tipsy and slow in evasive maneuvers. I want to say that thing had the 2.8 in it...sounded like crap when cold thanks to the exhaust issues, I remember that much.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    That Supra is pretty amazing...lots of money, but I am sure someone could justify.

    If he had waited another year to buy, he could ask twice that price.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,160
    Yeah, it's steep, but at least it's an interesting car in what looks to be exceptional shape. A sporty, rather than sports, car, modern v6 camry would probably knock it out. I'd probably go take a look if it wasn't 1000 miles away.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    But he said life was too SHORT to drive a Camry. This Supra is a Camry with 2 doors IMO. Bor-ing.

    No turbo, no fun.$15K? Buy a used Mini Cooper S.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I can see a Toyota head or collector (if there ever was one) buying one for his collection.

    These old sports cars can be outperformed by most mid size family sedans these days. The only thing they have going for them is nostalgia and sporty looks.

    I remember I took an early 90s automatic tranny NSX out for spin a few years back, and other than the "feel" of a supercar because of the low seating, cabin layout, etc... it seemed pretty gutless, probably wouldn't outrun a V6 accord, or an Acura TL.

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  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    And what is it that you are currently driving, Mr Shiftright? I recall great angst over various alternatives after you sold the Xa, but I never heard of a resolution.

    Last I heard you were driving your "backup-beater"... a bor-ing subaru was it? Hey, it could be much worse. Weren't you contemplating a 'vette at one point? A mini still seems like a good choice, fuel-consumption-wise. ;)

    As it turned out, I would bet the bloke that bought your Scion is mighty pleased with his purchase. :):)

    JRW
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    There are degrees of boring. The 86-92 Supras weren't as much fun as contemporary 944s or even RX-7s, but compared to a sedan of that vintage they are a blast. They were heavy and not particular tossable. Now if you compare them to a '93 RX-7, they do feel like Camrys.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Gee never saw an automatic NSX. What a bad idea. You were probably driving a "cripple". That car is extremely fast and would destroy any ordinary V6 sedan, were it in good running condition. 7 cylinders maybe?

    I never thought of an ordinary Supra as a sports car. It would need serious suspension and tire work and intake and exhaust tuning---which of course is what a lot of people do to them.

    Me? I use a Subaru Outback for serious abuse---for work, bad weather, bad roads and hauling. I have a non-running Miata that I picked up dirt cheap but no sure what I'm going to do with it. What I really need is another Porsche or perhaps a Mini Cooper.

    Mostly I like cars that don't fall on their face when you flog them. The Scion was a fabulous little car, but when I ran it hard, it really begged for mercy.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    only other thing I can think of was a last generation Nissan 240SX. Of course, I can't remember when they stopped making them, and I expect a nice one is real hard to find these days!

    1998, and sales of the S14 model were a lot lower than the S13. There are still some nice unmolested 240s out there, but they're all automatics with 150k. :cry: On the other hand, $12k will get you a nice S14 with an RB swap, which is about as close as you can get to the BMW experience without buying a BMW. You're pretty much on your own for maintenance and repair, though.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    IIRC, the automatic NSXs were geared taller and had a milder tune than the manual version. Even so, they would still obliterate a current Camry or Accord, thanks to higher hp and less weight. Keep in mind that the NSX was an early '90s Honda: they feel slower than they actually are, and are deceptively sedate until you find the VTEC lobes.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Ford: My grandmother had the Mercury equivalent (Monterrey). I really wanted to inherit it when she passed, but my mom and uncle decided to sell it instead. Sigh.

    MB: Even though it probably gets about 9 miles to gallon, I really like it. Of course, I'd drain my 401(K) to pay for the maintenance, but it sure looks nice.

    Audi: If the interior is in such great shape, why isn't there a freakin picture of it? No, we've got to have two 3/4 front views, left and right. Sheesh!
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I always liked those CL coupes, except for their funky wheels. I wouldn't mind having one. Getting tired of my C class. :sick:

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  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    "needs ball joints and control arm bushings to be a daily driver."

    Ever seen one of these puke a front suspension when the ball joint lets go? I have, and if they are bad enough for him to mention, you better be very careful loading this onto the trailer in route to a good front end shop.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    Those wheels were offered for a few years, exclusive to the V12 cars. I have seen a severely modified C43 wearing those,I almost thought about doing something like that when I had the car....but the monoblocks are so timeless and look on any modern MB.

    You still have that early W203? Has it been a money pit? If I was to get one of those, I'd seek a 2004 or later model or an AMG.

    Local Lexus dealer has a 38K mile 99 E55, black with two tone interior, wants 23K for it IIRC...with a little negotiation that could be a lot of bang for the buck.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    The MB might get in the low teens in town, could hit 20mpg if you baby it at 60mph. It would have cost about 140K when new...that's a big hit. There's no advantage to the V12 save for some smoothness and bragging rights.

    I have always liked the C215 too, it is elegant and a true hardtop. A local Ford dealer has an 03 CL55 AMG...cheap, in the mid 30s...I am almost tempted to look at it, but that's a lot of money, I think that could be an iffy year, and it is black.

    There's some Audi interior shots at the link in the ad. Typical material warpage for a German car of that age.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    Is that where the front end just kind of collapses? Is it something enabled by rust?
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    There's a local used car dealer that deals with premium imports and also has an E55 AMG
    with a 142k (88k miles) and they're asking a steep $29k for it.

    As for my Benz, it has been a bit of a money pit but i do a lot of driving in it. I put about 30k miles on it within a year and a half.

    Looking at the stuff that needs to be done, I almost consider it a project car. :sick:

    So far I replaced the battery, crank and cam sensors, alternator, and tires which it needed anyways.

    Items that still need fixing are the cursed power steering (rack and pump) as I have been driving without power steering for over a year now. Also my climate control is on the fritz, as it doesn't cool down very fast, and it alsmost seems like the vents are clogged up.

    Dual zone not working very well, and it winter time it blows cold air out of the dash vents.

    The vent on top of the dash that points at the windshield makes funny clicking noise when I start the car, but it goes away after a minute. I was told it might be a solenoid that opens and closes the vent. Prolly an expensive job.

    I have some other weird noise coming from the engine compartment when running in Park, similar to before my alternator went last time.

    My driver's seat cushion is loose, not sure if I knocked it out of it's brackets with my knees when cvleaning the car one day.

    Also my display on the stereo dims at times without reason.

    And I am starting to notice that my main cluster electronic display on hot days has a dim interrupted line going through it at the very top of the display. I know if that goes then all of my vital monitoring for the car will be gone, and it's a big and expensive job to replace it.

    I just have a feeling that even if I get everything fixed, I can probably buy another W203 for the money I'd spend fixing this one.

    I still love the performance and the handling, but hate the reliability. :lemon:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    That E55 is a good 10K overpriced, at least in the market here. It looks decent, but the miles are high for one of those. With the greenback and loonie effectively at par...I paid less for mine, a year newer, with more options and a third the miles, 2 years ago!

    Was your W203 built during an Oktoberfest in the earliest days of production? What a headache. I can't say I would have put up with it for so long. I think it is cursed. I wonder what it could be sold for as-is vs after the repairs are made....there has to be a breaking point. I see C32s in the low 20s and C55s in the mid 30s - if I wanted a W203 those are what I would seek. I know a couple people who have 04-05 C230 sedans, and they are happy with them too.

    I know if you lose your digital cluster, it's about a grand for the replacement part. Mine was dying too, but the warranty covered it.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    Holy cow! Nearly 300k on that 912? And no mention of a repaint or rebuild of any sort? I wonder if he accidentally added an extra 0.
    Now, this is the one shifty despises, correct?

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I wonder what it could be sold for as-is vs after the repairs are made....there has to be a breaking point.

    I thought about that. I am also at a disadvantage because of my mileage (182kms, or 113k miles).

    Most of the early W203s are in the 50-80k mile range and they hover at around $15-$18k asking price.

    If I were to fix everything and bring it up to mint condition standards I'd prolly end up spending $6-8k (the power steering, the cluster, the hvac, etc.) and then I'd still have a high mileage Benz that I might flip for $10-$12k.

    I've had it for sale for the past month in Craigslist and Kijiji, as-is, and have not many takers at $9999 asking. :sick: A couple people offered me $8k as-is, thru email (usually just price fishing, no commitment), and someone offered me their 00 Focus plus $3k cash. I declined them.

    I'll just have to deal with it. :lemon:

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,160
    Is that a bullet hole :surprise: in the Audi's door, or just a pry-in?

    The S500 - master of the obvious, list all the standard equipment...no pics :mad:
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    What's for me? Our IT department blocks Craigslist.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    If you're seriously interested in a Lincoln Mark V, there was one advertised for sale at my local gym here in central VA. (This is the 2nd time it was offered, and I bet it didn't sell in these days of $4 gas.) It is a 1975 "Lipstick Edition" (all white inside and out with bright red trim). It appeared to be in great condition, and the asking price was $5500. (I don't remember the mileage, but I'm pretty sure it was well under 100K.) If it comes up for sale again, I can drop you an e-mail.

    That sounds like a pretty nice car, although I'd feel weird driving around in something advertised as a "Lipstick Edition" :surprise: I've always thought the '77-79 Mark V's were a real pretty car, especially in those light blues and greens they offered. But when I had a chance to drive my buddy's '78, I just wasn't that won over by it.

    BTW, I finally made it to the All-GM Nationals at Carlisle and spotted your Grand LeMans! Very nice car! I didn't hang around too long, had my wife along and it was hot -- you must have gone on a break -- but I got a couple of photos. It reminds me of the '73 Monte Carlo my mother once owned.

    Cool! Glad you were able to make it up! Glad you liked the car, even if we missed each other. Hey, if you ever find yourself going to another one of those Carlisle shows, email me and I could shoot you my cell #. I'm going back up there tomorrow morning for the Chrysler show.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    Are you far upside-down in it or something? Now that the new C is charging along, the old one will depreciate faster, too. What's your bottom line, maybe 9K? I guess you can drive it til it dies...the engines are usually pretty good units, its some of the little things like you mention that always fail.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    D'oh!

    Its an S4 with a bullet hole (but I think the more uninteresting explanation is a hacker thief tried to drill into it??)

    2001 Audi S4
    6-Speed Transmission
    Under 72,000 miles
    $12,995

    Needs:
    New tires
    Front Brakes
    Some Cosmetic work

    The book value of the car is 14k, but as you can see it needs a few things fixed up, all cosmetic, engine and drivetrain are in perfect condition. Just changed the oil a few weeks ago. Any questions e-mail me, and I'll get back to you within the day if not a few minutes.

    Can you see this pic? Its still from craigs, but maybe ... in a roundabout way ...
    image

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Porsche 912E -- no I don't despise them, I only object to considering a car with a VW bus engine installed to be a "Porsche", or as I like to say: "The 912E---VW performance at Porsche repair prices. What's not to like?"

    Actually I think it's a VW 411/412 engine, but why quibble.

    Audi 5000 -- why do they ALL smell like burnt wiring inside? Never fails. Some say it's the horsehair packing in the seats??

    Pontiac Fiero -- yeah, right, the engine is seized but some oil and "hand turning" will fix you right up. OMG. Do people really fall for statements like that? A Pontiac Fiero GT with 5 speed transmission in excellent shape can be worth a somewhat decent price, yes.

    Jaguar Sedan -- that is soooooo sad, that advert. Sounds like the poor guy will have to eat his entire auto loan--ouch!

    Rolls Royce -- why don't you just climb into the ring with Oleg Maskaev and say "Yeah, he's big and tough, but I'm fast on my feet".

    The speed and ferocity with which an 80s Rolls Royce can bury a middle class wannabee is truly an astounding thing to watch. One cannot help but sympathize as the sacrificial lamb walks to the slaughter.

    Maserati Bi-Turbo -- fun car to drive, but basically...no...literally...UNFIXABLE. It just goes from one breakdown to the next. Low miles? Yes! But can you think of why?
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I owe just over $9k on it right now. I'm thinking if worst comes to worst I'll just pay it off and keep it. Maybe strip it and turn it into a DTM replica :shades: or just use it as a road racer at the local track.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,160
    Those Biturbos - enter the heart of darkness:
    image

    The 2002 Maser, on the other hand, is pretty nice, IIRC, kind of a "Ferrari light"
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The engine is just no good. It is not engineered correctly. I suppose you could re-cast a new block in a different alloy and figure out how to hold a head gasket on it. But then, why bother? This is not a Bugatti.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I always wanted to pick up a beater like that andf try to restore it. I think many car guys do that and get buried in fixing them, or the wives make them sell it. :sick:

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I could use the center caps off those rally wheels, but probably wouldn't have much use for anything else on that hulk. :sick:
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,439
    Maybe it looks different in person, but that things not even a beater. It's hit in the front and probably hasn't been on the road for a decade. Maybe there's good bones down there, but it's not a 400 car or anything special. 5 large is utterly ridiculous. 5 grand should get you a road worthy car in need of full resto
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    There are beaters and there are junkers, and that Firebird clearly belongs in the latter category.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Depends on the VIN plate if it's worth anything. Pile of junk as it sits, and certainly not worth restoring. It's just a '68 Camaro. These are not exactly rare.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    It's never going to appreciate...drive it til it dies I guess, as selling it will not be easy.

    Making some kind of racer out of it would actually be pretty cool.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Racing is an idea that's starting to warm up to me. I was talking to one of my co workers today who raced on a semi-pro level, and I wouldn't mind competing in an amateur road racing class (SCCA style) at our local raceway. :D It's cheap, it's fun, and now my car is becoming a prime candidate for it!

    This idea actually solves all of my problems with it.
    No power steering = ok
    Messed up climate control = ok (would pull it all out anyhow)
    High mileage = ok

    It's small, rear wheel drive, and not too old!

    Because my car is pretty much hopeless for appreciation as you said. I can strip it and race it around on the weekends. And if I bang it up or if it dies I would sell it for parts. It would make a decent entry level race car :shades:

    I have to get a new daily driver though.

    I'm sure my wife wouldn't mind that idea either. :shades:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    I was thinking the same...the faults of the car won't matter at all out on the track. It's an automatic though, right? That could be the only big drawback.

    Your wife wanted that car IIRC, so she probably likes to have a high end car...if she wants another MB like that, find a later one or an AMG car.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    After this Benz my wife is totally turned off by any used luxury car.... unless it has a full bumper to bumper warranty.

    And my Benz is an Automatic, with the manual shift mode. But for learning to drive on the track I can just leave it in auto till I get the basics figured out.

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  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    Not rust, just wear out and yes, the whole front end just sort of falls apart. As in the wheel folds up into the fender well and drops the car onto the pavement. Had one do this rounding the corner in front of my folks house. Ended up in their front yard.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    The only Fiero worth anything is the '88 GT with a stick. The skin was redone for the '87, and the entire suspension was redone for the '88 and turned it into a really nice handling, well balanced car.

    The '89 (which was cancelled) was to have the 2.8L v6 dropped and the Olds Quad4 instead. The base Q4 was rated for 180HP, with turbocharged and supercharged versions already EPA certified and waiting in the wings, both rated at 250HP.

    Sometime in the spring of '88 a pilot series '89 with the high output Q4 was on the track with the latest Vette from Bowling Green. It was reported (Car and Driver, IIRC) that the Fiero absolutely blew the Vette in the weeds with its light weight and perfect 50/50 balance.

    Shortly thereafter it was announced that production was halted after only 4 years.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    That is totally bizarre. Sitting unsold for over ten years. That has to tell you something. Oh, yeah... it's an automatic! :sick:
    JRW
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Quad 4 was a nasty engine, though. I think it would have doomed the car anyway.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    I'm racing my auto G35X. Its really not a hinderance (that is, if your autobox doesn't force an upshift in manual mode) in most autoX events because even the guys with stick find they put the car in 2nd and can drive the whole course that way.

    As you said, I drove it in auto mode when I first got out there. That lasted all of 1 lap. The next time out, I did as the stick guys do, I took off in first, hit redline, shifted to 2nd, and just left it in 2nd the rest of the way. Of course, if I had a less torquey engine than the VQ35, I may be inclined to downshift to 1st on the hairpins. So I guess YMMV.

    My next event is tomorrow. :)

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