Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    What's the second car? Can't pull up CL. Darn my IT people.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Lincoln Mark 8.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Ew.

    How am I supposed to fix all the stuff wrong on this 535i for $100?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    That old pickup looks pretty decent.

    The Andre-mobile looks bad with its rear up in the air.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    I say go for it...I want to see this thing all kitted out for the track.

    I bought an aftermarket warranty for the E55, I had to use it twice not long after I bought it (one of those was planned before I bought the warranty)...nothing has gone wrong since, knock on dark colored marble-looking wood.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    you mean 20 years?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,160
    "How am I supposed to fix all the stuff wrong on this 535i for $100? "

    I think the $100 would fix one of the dings, the other 34 things wrong with it are on you! What laugh - needs a GPS because the speedo doesn't work - yeah, that's a $7 item, I'm sure...even if it was in good shape, it sound like a rough ride, sports shocks/springs/bushings/low profile tires. Ouch.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    That Buick would probably be worth as much or more without the ugly wheels.

    Back up the list, that Olds Delta is cheap. If it runs good it would make a good in town first car for some kid. Or, as I tell my son, "You want something with more bling and cool factor? Get a job."
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    I actually dig the Mark VIII, personally.
    I was shopping for one at some point in time, but could never find a well-cared-for example.

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I say go for it...I want to see this thing all kitted out for the track.

    I talked with my wife about last night, and the first answers were no, no, and no.

    Then I explained to her that I'm not going to strip the Benz for the track until it's paid off (another 6months to a year), and until we have another daily driver. So she warmed up to the idea.

    I have H&R race springs on it already, probably could use some good shocks, a straight pipe or an aftermarket exhaust, different wheels, and that's about it for starters.

    I'd strip the whole interior, rear seats, stereo, speakers, headliner, climate control, seat heaters, but I don't know if I'd leave the door mounted airbags or not, or the stock steering, and replace the rear windows with plexiglass.

    I think it would be a fun thing to do, and amateur racing doesn't cost that much anyhow. I have a few buddies that are mechanics, so I can assemble a crack team for a pit crew.

    It wouldn't be till next year though. I still need a place with a garage, so if our house hunting goes well and we end up buying something, I'll make sure I have a workshop in there.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    heck, if you are talking about just SCCA autoX, you don't need to go through all that trouble .... yet. ;)

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I know but I figure if I'm going to use it strictly for track, i might as well make it lighter, and it wouldn't cost me anything. The other mods can wait for now. Plus one of my friends works at MBenz as a service advisor and he ran a service shop before, so I'll have all the help that I need.

    I haven't tinkered with my cars since my new Civic in 97. Just haven't had the time or space to do it.

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  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Is there any resale value to the car once you do that? I know there is with a lot of cars, but those typically at least have a manual transmission.

    Also, you are scaring me away from German cars again. I don't mind repairs like water pumps and clutches. It is the $1000 climate control modules, abs lights, etc. that I can't stand.

    By the way, I am starting to get interested in my friend's '95 S6 again. At least it is the devil I know. He's had it for over seven years and it has been impeccably maintained during that time.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    You might even be able to sell some of those extra parts for a few bucks. There can't be too many of those cars out there on the track either.

    I have a small exhaust mod on my E55 - the resonator has been removed and an "x-pipe" installed in its place. I doubt it has much of a power benefit, but it sounds nicer.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I'm not left with much resale value to begin with as my mileage is slightly above average, and if I were to fix everything to make it appealing to your joe carbuyer, I probably would not get some or any of that investment back.

    I figured if Isink money into it, it might as well be for my enjoyment, and not someone else's.

    I owe about $9k on it. If I put $5k into it fixing the stuff that doesn't bother me, but would bother most other buyers, I might be able to sell the car for $10-$12k if I'm lucky. So I might as well pay it off, and put $5k into it prepping it for amatuer racing.

    And fintail is right. I can sell some parts like the CD changer, stereo, door panels, headliner, glass, power window motors, trunk lining, carpeting, back seat, stock exhaust, other interior trim pieces, steering wheel with airbag (although if I remove it, my cluster will probably be lit up in permanent red due to the lack of SRS).

    And in the end I will have some fun with it, bang it up here and there, race it, and if worse comes to worse I'll sell the rest for parts, or to someone else who might want to race it.

    And I haven't seen any Benzes on the local SCCBC (same as SCCA) cicuits. Most of the racers are in older Civics, CRXs, MGs, and for german cars you see a lot of E36 BMWs.

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  • jeffbogjeffbog Member Posts: 63
    I've been following this conversation for over a year. I really enjoy the links that many members have attached. I own a few cars, an every day driver (accord), a toy (05 Mustang GT 5-speed), and my baby (an 89 LeSabre T-Type, which I bought new). Here's my problem. Today, I found an 87 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, original owner (documented) with 40K. Everything works including the air, power antenna, power trunk closer, etc. All orignal paint, absolutely no rust. Paint is perfect. Color is burgundy with matching velour (perfect) and vinyl top (also perfect). It has the 5 Litre engine and is runs great. It has not been detailed, but it looks like a three year old car. Trunk and back seat appears to have never been used. I don;t need this car, but always liked the old rear dive Caddies of he 80's. Hoping Andre, Lemko or Shifty might give me there thoughts on how much I should shell out for this monster. I plan to drive it around in the summer and would store it when the snow flies. Seller is asking 8K. Thanks in advance for your replies.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Congratulations on your interesting car choices. Your LeSabre T-Type is a keeper, and the Mustang GT is a neat car.

    From your description, there probably aren't many '80s Fleetwood Broughams left in this condition. On the other hand, the high fuel prices puts you in a good bargaining position for this large V8 car, even if it is pristine. Your challenge is to negotiate a better price, but not lose it to someone who just has to have this car, and is willing to pay up to own it.

    How many garages do you have? I imagine you'd want to keep the '87 Brougham garaged.

    Good luck with the Caddy, and let us know whether you buy it.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The Cadillac sounds great but the asking price is insane, not even in touch with reality.

    So until the seller sobers up, I doubt that even the most generous real offer is going to work here.

    I'd say that you would be extravagant to offer $4,500, and that real world value is around $3,500.

    For $8000 you can buy a 1997 Cadillac with 40,000 miles on it, just to give you some perspective.

    I could see this car as nice cheap transportation but it does not have, nor will it ever have, any collector value, so paying the asking price would be a reckless purchase IMO. At $3,500 ---$4,000, no harm done, as the condition and low miles would offset the gas consumption, and you might be able to bail out in 10,000 miles and not lose much or any money on it. It won't be an easy sell however. A Cadillac dealer would offer you about $1,500 on trade in.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Member Posts: 1,711
    What year is that non-running Miata that you recently acquired, and how many miles does it have? Do you plan on getting it in clean, working condition once you take care of its needs?

    I'm no Miata expert but from what little I know about them, the cars seem easy to work on and maintain. I bet they're much easier to repair than, say, an Audi or Mercedes of the same vintage.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The Miata is a '92 with 110K on it. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it yet. It doesn't need much to run and it's way easier to repair than a German car, probably 1/4 the cost to do anything.
  • gellesgelles Member Posts: 3
    Hi! I am new to this site. perhaps you can help me navigate. I bought a 2001 540i in Dec 07, absolutely impeccable condition, only 34k miles, for 20k with an all-inclusive (except normal wear and tear) warrantee. I could use some help learning how to get the most out of driving this beauty-it is a six speed, V8. Can you provide support or direct me to someone who can? Thanks!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Hi Gelles! Welcome to the Carspace Forums.

    Looks like maybe you should be in our BMW 5 Series Sedans topic. Here's the link for you to join in. You can cut and paste your question and take it over there:

    BMW 5 Series Sedan Topic

    MrShiftright
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    2 weeks ago, we had 2 Benzes running with us. An E320 and a 300CE. Both run in the same class, which is the class that includes cars such as Civic Si, GTI, and Impreza 2.5RS. The Benz drivers couldn't keep up. I think the 300CE was easily outclassed. The E320 should be able to hang in there with proper tires and a good driver, though. This week, the E320 showed up, but just to watch, apparently.

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I'm thinking that my C240 is kinda heavy to begin with, and to the horsepower it has. (170hp). I think to start off with it wouldn't be bad, as a learner car, and I can learn about doing some mods on it myself.

    I would probably be more competitive with a 99-00 Civic Si which comes out of the box with 160hp.

    But then again since I have this car already I might as well play with it instead of taking a loss on selling it, or selling it for parts.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    In case you haven't already seen it, here is the 2008 SCCA rulebook.

    Yours is in the nebulous "not otherwise classified" group of Benzes, which fall in H Stock. Funny thing about H stock. One of the fastest stock guys overall at the few events I've been to is in H stock with a Honda Fit. He regularly outruns a number of Miatas and S2ks.

    BUT, as soon as you change to non-OEM-sized rims or touch the intake, engine, or most parts of the suspension, you are no longer in the stock category.

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Thanks for that interesting stuff there.

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  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Do you guys believe in good cars and bad cars? Not makes or models but specific cars, particularly ones that differ from the norm i.e. the trouble prone Honda that has something different break on a regular basis, or the one guy who had a Renault Fuego Turbo that ran trouble free for 200,000 miles.

    For example, I had a '78 Scirocco in great condition, but no matter how well I maintained the car, it broke down constantly. I sold it to my stepbrother and it did the same for him. They were generally unreliable cars, so that was no big surprise. But alternatively, I had an '84 Jetta that wasn't all that well cared for and should have been even less reliable than the Scirocco. I bought it from a friend, drove it for a short time, then sold it to the same stepbrother. It was incredibly reliable for all three of us from new up to around 175,000 miles.

    Every car that I have owned where I knew the past was consistent with this pattern - reliable examples stayed that way and unreliable examples couldn't be made reliable. It is almost as if my cars were predetermined to be good or bad. Does that hold true for anyone else? Any ideas why?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,802
    Oh, I disagree. good cars CAN go bad!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    I believe in good cars and bad cars. My family had an 85 Tempo that had 190K on it when it was finally dispersed in 1999, with an untouched engine and transmission. My uncle has a 91 Taurus, which I believe is blessed with the 3.8 and I think has the troublesome transmission from that period. He's had it since it was nearly new, he's up to like 160K on it now ...no transmission or head gasket failures.

    My fintail is also what I consider a good car, at its age...I often think it should be more troublesome than it is, but the car is really drama-free, it just keeps going, never fails to start right up. I hope I didn't just jinx it.

    I think a lot of it is maintenance, and moreso, just plain old luck.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I think a lot of it is maintenance, and moreso, just plain old luck.

    I think maintenance is definitely a major factor. There's a guy at work who used to have a 1987 Buick Electra Estate wagon. It had the Olds 307 and the THM200R4 automatic...the one based on the lightweight THM200C, but in later years it was pretty durable.

    Anyway, we were talking about our old cars one day, and he brought up that wagon. He mentioned that it had a "Canadian Oldsmobile" engine in it. I dunno if he was trying to insinuate that it was crappy because it was Canadian or what, but he thought it was a crappy engine because he had the combustion chambers and valves all carboned up by around 130,000 miles, and it wouldn't pass the emissions test anymore! He was shocked when I told him that we got my grandmother's similar '85 LeSabre up to 157,000 miles on the original engine and transmission. He had needed a tranny rebuild at some point in the car's life. Further, the last time it had to go through the emissions test, it ran so clean that it would have passed by 2000 standards! I knew this because I still had my 2000 Intrepid's readout, and going by the standards listed there, the LeSabre was well within them.

    Heck, if I had put about $1000 into that car, it would probably still be running today. But it just got to the point that I had too many cars, so when the brakes went out on it, I decided that was the last straw.

    And heck, Lemko's '89 Brougham is the same mechanically as that old Buick wagon, and he's got about 157K miles on his car. And it probably looks about as good as it did when it was brand-new!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    That reminds me...a friend of mine has an 83 Monte Carlo with a 305 and I am pretty sure it had that "metric" transmission that was so junky (I want to say that was a TH200 model too). He bought the car from the original owner in 1993 when he was 16, it had about 70K on it. It had been well cared for, and he treated it very well... he didn't have any problems with it at all until the transmission failed in 2001, when the car had about 150K on it. I think the car is up to about 180 or 190K now, but the transmission was replaced with a TH350, so it is sound. The engine has never been touched.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Andre, that's a good idea about meeting up the next time I go to Carlisle (I didn't go to the Mopar show). I assume you took one of your New Yorkers there this past weekend?

    About that "Lipstick Edition" Mark, I suppose it wouldn't be a good choice for most guys! And I remembered that the Mark V was limited to the 1977-79 model years after you mentioned it, so the '75 would have been a Mark IV. These cars were never my cup of tea, to be honest.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    No, absolutely not. There is no such thing as a "lemon", that is, a car that is totally bad or unfixable.

    Sure there are cars with defects but the concept of a "lemon" is completely fallacious IMO. A TOTAL car of 15,000 separate parts being "all bad"? Hard to believe.

    When you meet someone with the "car from hell" you will probably find these factors at play:

    1. One or more factory defects that needs correcting.

    2. A lack of driver awareness, that is, when to stop driving the car, when to track down an oil leak or bad smell, etc.

    3. Incompetent repair shop working on the car.

    I feel confident that I could take any "car from hell" and make a reliable driver out of it---question is, is it worth my time and money?

    CREDENTIALS: Have driven MGB, Fiat 124, Renault R16, Porsche 914, Saab Turbo many times across the Nevada desert. Never broke down in any of them. Drove Lambretta scooters, Norton and Triumph motorcycles, Fiat 600, Morgan, Jaguar XK140 --- very rare occasional breakdowns on these.

    Worst type of car I ever owned: 900 Saab Turbos-- 3 bad ones in a row, I give up.

    Cars I am genuinely afraid of: Maserati Bi-Turbo, GM diesel cars, Triumph TR-7, VW Dasher, Audi 5000.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,160
    "One or more factory defects that needs correcting."

    I think that's the start, I imagine it's a matter of odds, some cars have zero, most might have one or two, some have the bad luck to have several, then you toss in a bad shop or hypochondriacal owner and it's now a :lemon:
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    Yeah, I would have to think that an incompetent shop/mechanic would be a big factor in a car that could never get sorted-out. :(
    JRW
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Keep in mind sometimes non-car folk think the car is trouble when they get a nail in the tire.

    I had a customer who bought a Civic from me and had some minor problem with it which got fixed under warranty. So she was a bit choked already because it was a new car.

    Then she drove over a nail which was sticking out, but didn't cause the tire to go flat, but was making loud rambling noise when she drove it, and she called me saying she wants to return the car case she thinks it was a lemon, her dad called me and also didn't want the car, and said he was going to get a lawyer (before we found out it was a nail in the tire), yelling at me that the car was bad, and it'snot safe, and it's making all kinds of noises etc etc.... :mad:

    Once we found out it was a nail in the tire they felt a bit embarassed and apologized. :blush:

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  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    I know lot's of horror stories about Fieros, but once I quit letting the local Pontiac shops near mine, it became much more reliable. Everytime I let a dealer touch that car they screwed something up. And I had a service manager tell me that his mechanics HATED that car because it was hard to work on.

    Once I bought the factory manual and straightened out all the dealership screwups, it was rock solid and reliable.

    We used to have a saying around here: "Fieros and Ferraris have something in common; you can't get either one of them fixed in Austin Texas."
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Member Posts: 1,711
    If you don't mind me asking what makes you afraid of VW Dashers?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Real bad rep, overheating, lots of factory defects--probably a low point for VW for quality control.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Back in the day, my Dad and Grandfather had matching brown Dashers. Grandfather's was a diesel. I don't remember what exactly what went wrong with it, but I know my Dad was constantly angry at that car. He ended up trading it for a Volvo 240 Wagon.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Also true for the first year VW Rabbit (1975). I had one bought new that had constant problems and stranded me numerous times.

    I especially "liked" the partially exposed timing belt. One winter we had a blizzard that filled up a good portion of the engine compartment with snow (no garage back then). Even after I cleaned off the engine as best as I could, there was enough snow on the belt to cause it to slip -- and of course the car wouldn't start or run.

    The other main problems were the finicky carburetor and a clutch that started to fail after only 13K miles or so. (And I knew how to drive a stick, actually learned to drive on one -- a '67 Chevy Bel Air.)
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    how was the old 410/412 or whatever they called it? I used to think they were kinda neat little cars when I was a kid. I have some old N-gauge model train stuff packed away somewhere, and included in it are a few of those little VWs.
  • danf5danf5 Member Posts: 38
    Um, Shifty, there's fixable and then there's one thing fails after another. Which brings to mind the 1967 Sunbeam Alpine we bought new for my mother. In 2 1/2 years, ~ 24k miles, Chrysler paid more for warranty work than we'd paid for the car.

    Items that failed included throwout bearing (immobilized the car, jammed the ring gear on the flywheel), shocks, rear axle, fuel tanks, steering wheel (honest). It burned the exhaust valves but good, but that could have been the shop's fault; we did pay to have valves set per the maintenance schedule, the mechanic could have set them too tight.

    Whatever broke was fixed, for a price, but I'd call the car a lemon.

    My Rover P6B (3500 S) was nearly as bad, but since I'd bought it used some of the blame may lie with the original owner. Shift linkage broke. Transmission failed. Right-angle drive at rear of speedometer failed repeatedly; every time it failed it through the speedo serveral thousand mph off calibration. Repeated thermostat failures. Repeated brake master cylinder failures. The vacuum reservoir failed in midwinter; no vacuum to work the valves in the heater/ac system, no heat. The vacuum lines failed repeated; no heat, no ac. The cam lost a lobe. Rear brake calipers grew leaks.

    Whatever failed could be fixed, for a price, but I'd call that car a lemon too.

    And you wonder why I so like my Hondas, whose existence you deny. Thinking of nonexistent cars, the '04 Civic EX you say I lie about has a little more than 223 k miles today. Two timing belt replacements (with water pump too) on schedule, one set of brake discs, and two thermostats that had the good sense to fail open. Not a lemon, I think. Oh, yeah, last year I hit a deer. Hood, right front light cluster, some supports, the grille and the bumper cover had to be replaced. I don't think we can blame that on Mr. Honda.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    All that's ancient history, and even that has more to do with British labor sabotage, incompetent American dealers, poor parts supply, lousy mechanic training, etc.

    It's no coincidence that Fiats run much better in Italy than they ever did in America, for instance.

    Did they make better cars for home use than for export? I don't think so.

    I'm not sure what you mean about non-existent Hondas and lying. That went right over my head, but let's not go there and instead stay on topic okay? ;)
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    that I can recall my family having was a 1982 Chevy Malibu station wagon. My grandparents bought it in February of 1982. After the warranty expired, probably sometime in 1983, the ECU died. $450. In 1984 it did it again. The car was driveable, but I think the check engine light stayed on and it was cranky. They were starting to hate that car anyway, as it was underpowered with its 229 V-6, so instead of fixing it, they traded it in October 1984 for a new '85 LeSabre limited with a 307 V-8, which turned out to be one of the best cars they ever owned.

    My grandparents on my Dad's side of the family had a '75 Dart Swinger that would stall out at random...any time, any speed, and without warning. The dealer never could get it fixed. They gave up after two years and bought a '77 Granada which promptly dumped its transmission. Thankfully though, it did that under warranty, and other than that, was fairly reliable. They'd usually trade their cars every 3-4 years anyway, so they usually didn't have them long enough to start running into serious problems.

    I always thought my Mom & stepdad's '91 Stanza was a bit of a lemon. The tranny was starting to go bad around 90,000 miles, and at that point it needed exhaust work and had other issues. So compared to their '86 Monte Carlo, '85 Silverado (which I still have), and even their '84 Tempo, that Stanza was a lemon. But I guess everything's relative. Their '99 Altima, which replaced the Stanza, dropped its transmission at 35,000 miles, and I thought it was on track to starting a tradition of crappy Nissan products. But they still have that car, with over 250,000 miles on it, and it's been running fine. So in the long run it's proven itself. I do remember the battery died around the 90,000 mile mark and left them stranded, which I thought was odd. I've had old cars where you could run the car without the battery in it...just hook up some jumper cables right to the terminals, and it would fire up. Just don't turn it off or let it stall!

    I guess it's possible though, that the Altima could have been under a heavy load situation. I know it was at night, so they had the lights on. Maybe if they had the a/c blasting too, and came to a red light, it might have been enough to kill it?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    I think I remember reading about the 411/412 having stability problems at speed, along with typical reliability issues for the period. I don't think they are a beloved car. These also had a gas powered heater which I am sure was a fire hazard.

    Period N-gauge toys (1:160, I think these are the same as my tiny plastic fintails) should be collectible, too.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    just bought a '62 Ford Galaxie 500 off eBay. It's just a 4-door sedan with a 292, but it looks like it's in great shape. It's a pale greenish blue. He's as excited as can be, but I've heard his wife doesn't exactly share in his enthusiasm. :sick:

    His current old car is a 1966 Volvo 122 wagon, which he's in the process of selling. One thing his wife should be thankful for is that, at least he only has one old car at a time, whereas I tend to get ahold of them and they sort of pile up over the years!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,652
    My family has been lucky, very few truly troublesome cars, even from the bad days. My dad even had an Audi 5000 and a Plymouth Horizon which were both pretty much trouble-free.

    The 1985 S-10 Blazer would count as the worst...as a kid I remember it going to the shop many times, even when it was relatively new. The thing couldn't hold an exhaust manifold properly, it had stalling and hard starting issues, the paint was of dubious quality, it was rusting pretty good at 5 years old - in a climate where cars usually take much longer to rust, and it just seemed to be of slipshod build quality.

    I do remember the big mid 70s (year has slipped my mind...1975?) T-Bird my mom had when I was very young began to get troublesome before it was let go for a Ciera. This would have been in the early 80s...I remember my dad tinkering with it now and then, I think it had issues with emissions stuff and PCV valves, it was a 460 I am pretty sure. The cruise control would stick on it as well.
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