I didn't know you could bang an aluminum rim back out. Good to know, in case I ever bend one! About 20 years ago, I wiped out on a slick spot on an entrance ramp and hopped a curb with my '82 Cutlass Supreme, which had color-keyed Rally wheels in "light Jadestone", a beautiful, but not-so-common color. Popped one tire immediately, while another tire got a huge blister on it and third had a huge chunk ripped off of the sidewall. I had just bought those tires about 4-5 months before, so it was a good thing I got the road hazard coverage!
Worse, one of the rally wheels got bent, and it was bent too badly to get straightened back out. I lucked out though, finding one at a local junkyard. It was gray, instead of light jadestone, but by the time you put the center cap on and the chrome trim ring, the contrast with the rest of the car wasn't all that noticeable.
My brother has a 2007 Ford ranger. A couple of years ago he wanted to refinish the alloy wheels, which had suffered peeling of the clearcoat and nicks in the silver-gray paint. So he undertook a project to strip each of them down and repaint them. He went to the local Canadian Tire store to find a rattle can of suitable paint. He ended up with Light Jadestone. To his colorblind eyes, it looked like the perfect match.
I have to admit, it doesn't look bad, more gray then anything greenish.
This might be the prettiest gasser 123 coupe I've seen - I kind of want. I like the year of manufacture plate and matching period correct Hartmann luggage. Price isn't low, but I bet you can dicker, hard to make a rat like this for the money.
I also am starting to like things like this Hard to explain...I've started collecting Tomica toy cars, and all the JDM stuff is leaving a mark. These cars are almost all gone now, even here. Clean styling and reliable, just don't live in an area with salty roads.
I just watched an old episode of wheeler dealers where they did a 123 4 door (a 230 gas). Still a sharp looking car, and I agree with Mike. It is the definitive Benz.
for your list, I like the Accord but it has to have a 5 speed.
I loved that shape Celica. I wanted a 4 cyl GT-S back in the day. should have stretched the budget. The Corollas were also pretty cool, if you got the right trim/engine combo. Again, needs to be a stick.
I really like that Bunkie-beak T-bird. At the time I didn't like the front-end treatment he insisted upon when joining Ford but it grew on me over time. That baby-blue Ford paint was on everything they made back then. The car reminds me of something that a character in an old "Cannon" or "The FBI" TV show would have driven. Love it.
lemko, did you order that '89 new, or have a dealer locate one for you, or did you buy from inventory at a dealer you went to? I'm always interested in that! I've told you this before, but I like the styling of yours much better than the ones a year or two newer, with the big headlights, lower side trim and often silver on the bottom 1/3. I always liked how starting in '84 I think, the side moldings were completely the color of the car, giving it almost the clean look of having no molding down the side. Yours is like that.
P.S.--I'm with berri--I like some chrome on a car, except I do like the completely-body-colored side moldings.
I bought it new from dealer inventory on Saturday, January 28, 1989. It was purchased at Brenner Cadillac-Oldsmobile on Paxton Street in Harrisburg, PA.
I can't remember if I've ever even seen a '58 Mercury in person. I've seen a '57 on occasion, and, rarely a '59, but the closest thing I can think of to a '58 I've seen is the larger senior '58 Edsels, which used the Mercury body shell that year.
I always thought the '57-59 Mercurys resembled the Packard prototypes made in '56 before Packard went away. That might be logical in that I believe stylist Bill Schmidt ended up at Ford and I know Packard president James Nance went to manage the Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln division at Ford before being fired. In 1960, he ended up being president of a bank in Cleveland and lived about 20 miles from where I live, although he died in the 1980's at his hunting camp in Michigan.
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What a fabulous car. I've always enjoyed seeing it and reading its stories over the years I've frequented the forums.
Not for sale right now, I assume?
I've had many offers, but it's not for sale.
Here's another shot of the car from last October:
It's wearing new tires from Coker tires. I still have three of the OEM Uniroyal Royal Seal Tires. Too bad they are no longer manufactured. I figure this style would be closest to what these Cadillacs would've had in the 1980s.
I was able to get some NOS rocker panel and wheel arch trim to replace those that were destroyed in the accident. I'm not entirely happy with the job the body shop I toke it to in NE PA did, so I'm probably going to have it properly redone by some guys I trust in Philly to do a good job.
Great car, and so clean and period correct! The color reminds me of the 79 Eldorado dad had. It was two tone, with copperish color sides and dark metallic brown trunk, roof and hood. Saddle brown leather interior. It was really sharp and my favorite of dad's cars. I loved tooling around in it with the Chicago playing in the 8 track--my college days. It was a diesel which made it fun to drive in its own way.
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Scamp is kind of cool. I honestly did not recall they badged the Rampage as such.
I kind of like the '79 GP. A friend of mine in HS, his Mom got one. 2 tone blue, with the "sporty" package. Actually I think it was a Grand Am? Looked the same. I drove it. Much fancier than my folks Omni.
The LTD reminds me so much of the mid-70s. It seems like 1/2 the families in town had one of those. We, of course, had a 1969 Volvo 144 at that time.
Cool cars in that posting, especially the C20 pickup. Nice looking "beater truck" for $2800. Country Squire wagon was I guess the trend of all the soccer moms back in the 70s? Then the trend shifted to Taurus wagons in the 80s, then to minivans in the 90s, now to SUVs.
Pontiac Grandville. Never heard of or seen that model. I you learn something new every day.
I don't think you guys got the Grand Ville in Canada. Or if you did, it wasn't until later. I found a '71 Canadian Pontiac brochure online, and it looks like they offered a Laurentian series in hardtop sedan or pillared sedan, Catalina in hardtop sedan/coupe, pillared sedan, and convertible, and a Parisienne Brougham in hardop sedan/coupe and pillared sedan. Wagons were offered in Laurentian, Safari, and Grand Safari trim.
The Grand Ville was basically a B-body with a C-body roofline grafted on, and offered as a hardtop coupe, hardtop sedan, and convertible. It was supposed to be as close to a C-body as you could get in the Pontiac range; however, GM wouldn't let Pontiac have a true C-body, so it was a bit of a compromise. In the Buick and Olds ranges, moving up to a C-body would get you more legroom in the back, as well as a bit more headroom, than a B-body. With the Grand Ville, you did get a bit more headroom, because of the more formal C-pillar. The 4-door hardtop had no more legroom in back than a B-body, but oddly, the 2-door hardtop gained something like 3", to have the same measurement as the 4-door hardtop.
The Bonneville, which had been the top model, was demoted for '71, replacing the old Star Chief/Executive. Both the Bonneville and Grand Ville were on the same long 126" wheelbase, compared to 123.5" for the Catalina, and the Canadian models. However, the Bonneville used the same rooflines as the Catalina, Canadian Pontiacs, and the rest of the B-bodies.
The Grand Ville was fairly successful from '71-73. For '73, the Grand Ville, Bonneville, and Catalina all went to a 124" wheelbase. I guess you could argue it lost a bit of status, but the cars were so big I doubt anybody noticed a 2" drop in wheelbase. The '74 oil embargo seemed to hit Pontiac harder than the other GM divisions, and with respect to big cars, Pontiac didn't really recover.
For 1975, Pontiac started trimming back a bit. The Catalina lost its 4-door hardtop, while the Bonneville lost its 4-door sedan. The Bonneville hardtop sedan was given the same formal roofline as the Grand Ville, while the 2-door became a pillared model, and was also shared with the Grand Ville. Also, that year, the Grand Ville became the Grand Ville Brougham, and offered Pontiac's last full-sized convertible.
For 1976, what had been the Grand Ville Brougham was now called the Bonneville Brougham.
I never really was that crazy about the Grand Ville, myself. It just seemed a bit of a half-hearted effort, compared to something like a Buick Electra or Olds Ninety-Eight. And IMO, Electra/98 territory is not where Pontiac should have been treading. Before the Grand Ville came out, Pontiac had a model called the Bonneville Brougham, but it was a trim package rather than a separate model line, so I've never seen a production breakout for it. I don't think they were very common. So, I guess the Grand Ville might have been more successful on the prestige front than the prior Bonneville Brougham had been.
I don't think you guys got the Grand Ville in Canada. Or if you did, it wasn't until later. I found a '71 Canadian Pontiac brochure online, and it looks like they offered a Laurentian series in hardtop sedan or pillared sedan, Catalina in hardtop sedan/coupe, pillared sedan, and convertible, and a Parisienne Brougham in hardop sedan/coupe and pillared sedan. Wagons were offered in Laurentian, Safari, and Grand Safari trim.
At some point - I thought it was '72, but I'm not exactly sure - GM Canada went through a transition with Pontiac. I distinctly remember a brochure that had both the US models included, like the Bonneville, as well as the traditional Canadian Pontiacs like Parisienne and Laurentian. I believe the Grand Vile was there too but I'm not sure. It was odd because the US models had Pontiac engines while the Canadian models were still Chevy-based. And I believe the US models had the Pontiac chassis as well with the wide-track stance while the Canadian models did not. It was very confusing and must have been a real headache for the dealers.
Yeah, I'm not sure when that transition went through either. Unfortunately, I could only find a '71 and '76 brochure for the Canadian Pontiacs. By '76, the Canadian lineup was Laurentian/Catalina/Parisienne Brougham/Bonneville/Bonneville Brougham.
As for engines, they list a 350 and 400 for the Laurentian/Parisienne Brougham, 350/400/455 for the Catalina, and 400/455 for the Bonnevilles. I'd presume the 455 is a Pontiac engine (rather than Buick or Olds), but the 350 and 400 could be Chevy or Pontiac engines, since both divisions offered both displacements. Technically, the Pontiac 350 is a 354.7 or something like that, but I guess they still called it a "350", so that the other divisions didn't get size envy?
Interesting that the Catalina would offer a 455, but not the Parisienne Brougham, which looks like a more upscale car. While the Laurentian appears to have Bel Air level trim (looks like it even uses Bel Air door panels), the Catalina appears trimmed about the same as the US Catalina. However, the Parisienne Brougham looks about equivalent to a Chevy Caprice.
As for the Chevy versus Pontiac frames, I don't know if they were doing that by '76, or even '71. All five Pontiac models for '76 are showing at 123.4" of wheelbase, and 226" long overall. (127" wb and 231" overall for the wagons). A full-sized '71-76 Chevy was on a 121.5" wb, and around 221" long.
It's also interesting that the '71-76 Pontiacs would jump around like that with wheelbase...going from 123.5" to 124", to 123.4". I could understand the longer 126" wheelbase of the '71-72 Bonneville/Grand Ville, to give them a bit more prestige. Pontiac had done that in the prior models as well. For instance, my '67 Catalina is on a 121" wb, while the Executive and Bonneville were on a 124". And by '69-70 the wheelbases were 122" and 125", respectively. But jumping around by a tenth of an inch, or 1/2" at best, just doesn't seem to make sense to me.
The '76 Pontiac Laurentian was offered as a 4-door sedan, 2-door hardtop, and wagon. Kind of interesting that they'd still offer such a low-level 2-door hardtop coupe by that time. The last Chevy Bel Air hardtop coupe was 1962. And by '71, GM didn't offer the B-body in a 2-door post configuration, so the low level Biscaynes and Bel Airs were only offered as 4-door sedans and wagons.
Maybe air conditioning was still comparatively rare in Canada, so there was still more demand for a 2-door car with roll-down windows than there was here in the US?
The last Chevy Bel Air hardtop coupe was 1962. And by '71, GM didn't offer the B-body in a 2-door post configuration, so the low level Biscaynes and Bel Airs were only offered as 4-door sedans and wagons.
Maybe air conditioning was still comparatively rare in Canada, so there was still more demand for a 2-door car with roll-down windows than there was here in the US?
In Canada there was a BelAir 2-door hardtop and then the 2-door downsized '77-up coupe until the late-70s or early 80s. It was pretty stark inside and had small hubcaps instead of wheel covers standard. As for A/C, it was rare on low to midrange cars until the '80s. We had a '79 Impala w/o A/C along with an '81 Omega Brougham coupe that also lacked A/C. Dad had a pair of '84 Aries K-cars w/o A/C too.
58 Mercury Monterey -- it might have "happened in Monterey" as the song goes but it didn't happen with this car's styling---pure Detroit chaos. If it's real nice but not quite show, bid $12,500.
64 Mercury Marauder -- ouch indeed. The only '64 Marauders worth much of anything are the 2D fastbacks, not so much the 4D, so I don't know---it would be a labor of love to put this one back together, and you'd never see your money out of the effort. Looks like maybe a parts car for a more desirable model. Pretty rare though, 8,655 made..
58 Packardbacker -- only a mother could love it. A clean runner might be worth $7500 so where you gonna go with spending $6500 for two pretty shabby cars? I'd vote "hopeless at this price".
69 Buick Wagon--fairly sorta kinda rare by American standards (21,000 or so made) but gee, this car is such a mess and you see super nice ones for $12K--$15K. Even free is probably too much. I'd vote "hopeless at this price"
57 Bentley---hmmm, I dunno. Maybe worth $50K in show condition, but can you get to THERE from HERE? Problem is the utterly shocking, staggering, blood-curdling cost of repairs...and...the engine isn't running? Might work for the hobbyist donating lots of free labor. Unfortunately it costs as much to restore this one as a companion Flying Spur, which is worth 5X as much.
61 Jaguar Mk II Sedan --- poor thing, and a steel-wheel, 3.4 automatic to boot. Three strikes on options.
Not to be confused with the far more desirable 66-67 3.8L with wire wheels and stickshift. It's all in the options folks. Worth saving at least for parts.
66 Chrysler NYer Sedan --- if it's clean and runs well, price is fair enough.
What engine would have been standard on a '64 Marauder? My old car book lists a Monterey Marauder and a Montclair Marauder for '64. It was offered as a hardtop coupe or hardtop sedan in each series. It also lists the Marauder hardtop coupes as being the same cost as the non-Marauder hardtop coupes. And in the hardtop sedan, they were all Marauders.
My old car book says a 250 hp 390 was standard in the Monterey and Montclair. So, as low-priced as the Marauder was, I'd guess it was just the same engine? The book lists a 266 hp 390 as being optional. The 390 is also listed in 300/330 hp versions, but only for the top shelf Park Lane. Finally, a 427 is listed, with 410 or 425 hp, an option for all the big car lines.
I'm guessing that the Marauder was really just a trim package in '64, and you had to shell out some extra money for the performance engine.
The book I'm looking at, though, is one of those Consumer Guide auto encyclopedias, and they're not always entirely accurate
That garish red interior with the teal paint... man
I actually like that shade of green/teal on the Scamp...but NOT with that burgundy interior! That looks like a color they used in 1979 called "Light Teal Frost Metallic", that seemed really common that year, but greens in general seemed much less common for 1980.
I thought Chrysler had discontinued green completely in the early 80's, but in looking at the paint charts, they did have a "Light Seaspray Green Poly" for 1982.
So, whoever picked that shade of green to repaint with has great taste, IMO...they just need to learn how to coordinate it better...and not with burgundy!
Factory 5 is one of the many kit car companies that make cobra (and other) replicas. Pretty well known in industry. My BIL has a superformance one. I think they are the big prestige name in these.
Factory 5 is one of the many kit car companies that make cobra (and other) replicas. Pretty well known in industry. My BIL has a superformance one. I think they are the big prestige name in these.
Thanks. So he calls it a 65, but it must be much newer than that. I guess for the money, it is fine but I'd like to see a more period correct wheels on it
Factory 5 is one of the many kit car companies that make cobra (and other) replicas. Pretty well known in industry. My BIL has a superformance one. I think they are the big prestige name in these.
Thanks. So he calls it a 65, but it must be much newer than that. I guess for the money, it is fine but I'd like to see a more period correct wheels on it
Yup, it's a reproduction (or "clone", as the mechanic put it) door panel for my '57 DeSoto. They just haven't cut the holes for the window crank, door handle, or armrest yet. I had to go over there today on my lunch break, because he wanted me to look through some carpet samples and pick out one I liked.
I think this is how the interior of my '57 is supposed to look...
My seats had been recovered, and the carpeting was replaced with this aftermarket stuff that had sort of a woven zig-zag look to it, but fit pretty well, and was softer to the touch than that loop-pile stuff. But, it was starting to show its age. It was a faded red color.
Well, none of the new red samples matched the red of the interior, and I have a feeling the original carpet wasn't red, anyway. However, I can't tell if that carpet in the pic above is black or brown. I would guess brown, because black would be too clashy with the brown on the door panels and the top of the dashboard.
Anyway, I went with sort of a brown/charcoal color. No shag, not to worry. But I did opt for a little bling...silver flecks woven into the carpet, a'la '59 Bonneville!
Andre, 57 Desoto and 59 Pontiac - good taste in my book! I suppose you can look up those interiors if you can find a 57 Desoto brochure online, but it looks pretty much the era as I remember it back then, including the low mounted rearview mirror. I don't recall if senior Mopar's even had all red IP's back then, but I do remember that Desoto and Chrysler liked to mix up the colors in their vehicles, inside and out. So when will you be buying the 59 Pontiac flattop? The 4 dr will better accommodate your passengers
Re.: Mercury Marauder--I'm about 78% (LOL) sure about this, but in the '64 model year, all I think "Marauder" meant was the fastback roofline.
UPDATE: That's right. The brochure online shows one could get a Monterey, Montclair, or Park Lane Marauder, in two-or-four-door hardtops. The only non-Marauders in the full-size Mercury lineup were four-door sedans, convertibles, and hardtops with the Breezeway back window.
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I'm a big fan of '65-66 big Pontiacs especially. This is the only year they called this model the "Star Chief Executive". It's on the longer Bonneville wheelbase. I am always amazed that Executives and Venturas, and later Bonnevilles and Catalina Broughams, had identical seating and similar levels of trim elsewhere inside, and outside, with the only real difference being wheelbase.
Looks like a time capsule to me.
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Indeed, great colors on that one, I like anything in a silvery blue, and that one screams mid 60s. GM was on their game. Radio delete with AC is amusing. Amazingly clean and preserved.
In some shots, the front drivers side fender appears mismatched in color with the front drivers door, but it could just be an angle.
That '66 Pontiac is a sweet looking car; color reminds me of the '66 New Yorker that was posted earlier. It's interesting how that color seemed all the rage around '65-66, but then faded quickly. It seems to really suit the '65-66 cars very well, but for some reason, I don't think it works quite as well in '67 and later. I've even seen '67 Pontiacs in that shade (or a similar shade at least), but I don't think it complements it quite as well. Although, I wouldn't turn it down!
As for that extra bit of wheelbase on the Bonneville/Star Chief versus Catalina, you can really see where they put it in the closeups of the rear door/rear wheel area. That spacer piece is thicker on the longer wheelbase cars. It's not quite as noticeable on 2-door models, unless you happen to see them side by side. My '67 Catalina convertible looks pretty big, but on a few occasions, at the GM show in Carlisle, I've parked next to a '67 Bonneville convertible, and when you see the two side by side, the difference in length is very noticeable. Not just the 3" of extra wheelbase, but they also extended the rump by about 4-5" as well.
For the '71-72 models, I'm not sure where they stuck the extra 2.5" of wheelbase on a Bonneville/Grand Ville, versus a Catalina. Looking at pictures, I think it's ahead of the cowl, but I'm not sure. So that would mean they had to extend the fenders and hood.
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I have to admit, it doesn't look bad, more gray then anything greenish.
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This might be the prettiest gasser 123 coupe I've seen - I kind of want. I like the year of manufacture plate and matching period correct Hartmann luggage. Price isn't low, but I bet you can dicker, hard to make a rat like this for the money.
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I also am starting to like things like this Hard to explain...I've started collecting Tomica toy cars, and all the JDM stuff is leaving a mark. These cars are almost all gone now, even here. Clean styling and reliable, just don't live in an area with salty roads.
Lofty price, but it sure looks cool
I've always liked these wedge models that Corolla above needs wheels styled like these.
American makes weren't the only ones to make bordello red interiors - looks remarkably well preserved
My what a big nose you have That script is the same as on the later bigger model my mom had when I was a little kid, I remember it clearly.
Looks like someone had fun in the late 80s
for your list, I like the Accord but it has to have a 5 speed.
I loved that shape Celica. I wanted a 4 cyl GT-S back in the day. should have stretched the budget. The Corollas were also pretty cool, if you got the right trim/engine combo. Again, needs to be a stick.
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"Rare" 1958 Mercury Turnpike Cruiser
'49 Jeep, and a '59 Apache, each with their respective years painted on, '47 Hudson and a '93 Previa. All kinds of fun stuff.
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Smog laws here exempt cars more than 25 years old.
I saw this 57 Mercury several years ago - it was apparently just dragged out of long term storage, still on old tires and wearing 1963 issue plates:
I saw it around a few times after, new tires, then it vanished again.
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I think Lemko likes these - not perfect, but the price seems fair
Price reduced, needs a few more - nice wheels though, reminds me of an old Hot Wheels
You don't care about mpgs or parking ease, right?
Reminds me of the BTTF DeLorean with 1955 tires
As the 70s came to a close...
Green giant
Should be reliable
Be unique
Scamp is kind of cool. I honestly did not recall they badged the Rampage as such.
I kind of like the '79 GP. A friend of mine in HS, his Mom got one. 2 tone blue, with the "sporty" package. Actually I think it was a Grand Am? Looked the same. I drove it. Much fancier than my folks Omni.
The LTD reminds me so much of the mid-70s. It seems like 1/2 the families in town had one of those. We, of course, had a 1969 Volvo 144 at that time.
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Pontiac Grandville. Never heard of or seen that model. I you learn something new every day.
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The Grand Ville was basically a B-body with a C-body roofline grafted on, and offered as a hardtop coupe, hardtop sedan, and convertible. It was supposed to be as close to a C-body as you could get in the Pontiac range; however, GM wouldn't let Pontiac have a true C-body, so it was a bit of a compromise. In the Buick and Olds ranges, moving up to a C-body would get you more legroom in the back, as well as a bit more headroom, than a B-body. With the Grand Ville, you did get a bit more headroom, because of the more formal C-pillar. The 4-door hardtop had no more legroom in back than a B-body, but oddly, the 2-door hardtop gained something like 3", to have the same measurement as the 4-door hardtop.
The Bonneville, which had been the top model, was demoted for '71, replacing the old Star Chief/Executive. Both the Bonneville and Grand Ville were on the same long 126" wheelbase, compared to 123.5" for the Catalina, and the Canadian models. However, the Bonneville used the same rooflines as the Catalina, Canadian Pontiacs, and the rest of the B-bodies.
The Grand Ville was fairly successful from '71-73. For '73, the Grand Ville, Bonneville, and Catalina all went to a 124" wheelbase. I guess you could argue it lost a bit of status, but the cars were so big I doubt anybody noticed a 2" drop in wheelbase. The '74 oil embargo seemed to hit Pontiac harder than the other GM divisions, and with respect to big cars, Pontiac didn't really recover.
For 1975, Pontiac started trimming back a bit. The Catalina lost its 4-door hardtop, while the Bonneville lost its 4-door sedan. The Bonneville hardtop sedan was given the same formal roofline as the Grand Ville, while the 2-door became a pillared model, and was also shared with the Grand Ville. Also, that year, the Grand Ville became the Grand Ville Brougham, and offered Pontiac's last full-sized convertible.
For 1976, what had been the Grand Ville Brougham was now called the Bonneville Brougham.
I never really was that crazy about the Grand Ville, myself. It just seemed a bit of a half-hearted effort, compared to something like a Buick Electra or Olds Ninety-Eight. And IMO, Electra/98 territory is not where Pontiac should have been treading. Before the Grand Ville came out, Pontiac had a model called the Bonneville Brougham, but it was a trim package rather than a separate model line, so I've never seen a production breakout for it. I don't think they were very common. So, I guess the Grand Ville might have been more successful on the prestige front than the prior Bonneville Brougham had been.
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Barn find
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Only needs $60K or so
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At some point - I thought it was '72, but I'm not exactly sure - GM Canada went through a transition with Pontiac. I distinctly remember a brochure that had both the US models included, like the Bonneville, as well as the traditional Canadian Pontiacs like Parisienne and Laurentian. I believe the Grand Vile was there too but I'm not sure. It was odd because the US models had Pontiac engines while the Canadian models were still Chevy-based. And I believe the US models had the Pontiac chassis as well with the wide-track stance while the Canadian models did not. It was very confusing and must have been a real headache for the dealers.
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As for engines, they list a 350 and 400 for the Laurentian/Parisienne Brougham, 350/400/455 for the Catalina, and 400/455 for the Bonnevilles. I'd presume the 455 is a Pontiac engine (rather than Buick or Olds), but the 350 and 400 could be Chevy or Pontiac engines, since both divisions offered both displacements. Technically, the Pontiac 350 is a 354.7 or something like that, but I guess they still called it a "350", so that the other divisions didn't get size envy?
Interesting that the Catalina would offer a 455, but not the Parisienne Brougham, which looks like a more upscale car. While the Laurentian appears to have Bel Air level trim (looks like it even uses Bel Air door panels), the Catalina appears trimmed about the same as the US Catalina. However, the Parisienne Brougham looks about equivalent to a Chevy Caprice.
As for the Chevy versus Pontiac frames, I don't know if they were doing that by '76, or even '71. All five Pontiac models for '76 are showing at 123.4" of wheelbase, and 226" long overall. (127" wb and 231" overall for the wagons). A full-sized '71-76 Chevy was on a 121.5" wb, and around 221" long.
It's also interesting that the '71-76 Pontiacs would jump around like that with wheelbase...going from 123.5" to 124", to 123.4". I could understand the longer 126" wheelbase of the '71-72 Bonneville/Grand Ville, to give them a bit more prestige. Pontiac had done that in the prior models as well. For instance, my '67 Catalina is on a 121" wb, while the Executive and Bonneville were on a 124". And by '69-70 the wheelbases were 122" and 125", respectively. But jumping around by a tenth of an inch, or 1/2" at best, just doesn't seem to make sense to me.
The '76 Pontiac Laurentian was offered as a 4-door sedan, 2-door hardtop, and wagon. Kind of interesting that they'd still offer such a low-level 2-door hardtop coupe by that time. The last Chevy Bel Air hardtop coupe was 1962. And by '71, GM didn't offer the B-body in a 2-door post configuration, so the low level Biscaynes and Bel Airs were only offered as 4-door sedans and wagons.
Maybe air conditioning was still comparatively rare in Canada, so there was still more demand for a 2-door car with roll-down windows than there was here in the US?
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64 Mercury Marauder -- ouch indeed. The only '64 Marauders worth much of anything are the 2D fastbacks, not so much the 4D, so I don't know---it would be a labor of love to put this one back together, and you'd never see your money out of the effort. Looks like maybe a parts car for a more desirable model. Pretty rare though, 8,655 made..
58 Packardbacker -- only a mother could love it. A clean runner might be worth $7500 so where you gonna go with spending $6500 for two pretty shabby cars? I'd vote "hopeless at this price".
69 Buick Wagon--fairly sorta kinda rare by American standards (21,000 or so made) but gee, this car is such a mess and you see super nice ones for $12K--$15K. Even free is probably too much. I'd vote "hopeless at this price"
57 Bentley---hmmm, I dunno. Maybe worth $50K in show condition, but can you get to THERE from HERE? Problem is the utterly shocking, staggering, blood-curdling cost of repairs...and...the engine isn't running? Might work for the hobbyist donating lots of free labor. Unfortunately it costs as much to restore this one as a companion Flying Spur, which is worth 5X as much.
61 Jaguar Mk II Sedan --- poor thing, and a steel-wheel, 3.4 automatic to boot. Three strikes on options.
Not to be confused with the far more desirable 66-67 3.8L with wire wheels and stickshift. It's all in the options folks. Worth saving at least for parts.
66 Chrysler NYer Sedan --- if it's clean and runs well, price is fair enough.
My old car book says a 250 hp 390 was standard in the Monterey and Montclair. So, as low-priced as the Marauder was, I'd guess it was just the same engine? The book lists a 266 hp 390 as being optional. The 390 is also listed in 300/330 hp versions, but only for the top shelf Park Lane. Finally, a 427 is listed, with 410 or 425 hp, an option for all the big car lines.
I'm guessing that the Marauder was really just a trim package in '64, and you had to shell out some extra money for the performance engine.
The book I'm looking at, though, is one of those Consumer Guide auto encyclopedias, and they're not always entirely accurate
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http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/4972101808.html Retro paint Vette
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/4961024709.html Just how much are those stripes worth
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/4971506643.html More realistic price for old truck. Not in love with the BarbieVette color
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/4971426918.html Weird to see the paint so far ahead of the rest of the build. 74s are mostly unloved, but I am seeing more of them done lately
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I thought Chrysler had discontinued green completely in the early 80's, but in looking at the paint charts, they did have a "Light Seaspray Green Poly" for 1982.
So, whoever picked that shade of green to repaint with has great taste, IMO...they just need to learn how to coordinate it better...and not with burgundy!
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My seats had been recovered, and the carpeting was replaced with this aftermarket stuff that had sort of a woven zig-zag look to it, but fit pretty well, and was softer to the touch than that loop-pile stuff. But, it was starting to show its age. It was a faded red color.
Well, none of the new red samples matched the red of the interior, and I have a feeling the original carpet wasn't red, anyway. However, I can't tell if that carpet in the pic above is black or brown. I would guess brown, because black would be too clashy with the brown on the door panels and the top of the dashboard.
Anyway, I went with sort of a brown/charcoal color. No shag, not to worry. But I did opt for a little bling...silver flecks woven into the carpet, a'la '59 Bonneville!
Sounds like a nice style/color that you chose nonetheless.
UPDATE: That's right. The brochure online shows one could get a Monterey, Montclair, or Park Lane Marauder, in two-or-four-door hardtops. The only non-Marauders in the full-size Mercury lineup were four-door sedans, convertibles, and hardtops with the Breezeway back window.
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No radio!
I like the colors, very 'period'.
I'm a big fan of '65-66 big Pontiacs especially. This is the only year they called this model the "Star Chief Executive". It's on the longer Bonneville wheelbase. I am always amazed that Executives and Venturas, and later Bonnevilles and Catalina Broughams, had identical seating and similar levels of trim elsewhere inside, and outside, with the only real difference being wheelbase.
Looks like a time capsule to me.
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In some shots, the front drivers side fender appears mismatched in color with the front drivers door, but it could just be an angle.
As for that extra bit of wheelbase on the Bonneville/Star Chief versus Catalina, you can really see where they put it in the closeups of the rear door/rear wheel area. That spacer piece is thicker on the longer wheelbase cars. It's not quite as noticeable on 2-door models, unless you happen to see them side by side. My '67 Catalina convertible looks pretty big, but on a few occasions, at the GM show in Carlisle, I've parked next to a '67 Bonneville convertible, and when you see the two side by side, the difference in length is very noticeable. Not just the 3" of extra wheelbase, but they also extended the rump by about 4-5" as well.
For the '71-72 models, I'm not sure where they stuck the extra 2.5" of wheelbase on a Bonneville/Grand Ville, versus a Catalina. Looking at pictures, I think it's ahead of the cowl, but I'm not sure. So that would mean they had to extend the fenders and hood.
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