Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

Michaell

Mr_Shiftright said:

Here's a nice but modest starter car for someone new to the hobby:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/05/10/hemmings-find-of-the-day-1964-plymouth-belvedere-four-door-sedan/?refer=news

Bonus points for being cheap and could easily be a daily driver.

That is a nice looking example. Great for cruise night - all original.

stickguy

Drive anywhere. Very slowly.

Mr_Shiftright

Oh, the old Slant Six isn't too bad at all 0-50 and can maintain freeway speeds....I wouldn't go passing big rigs though...

It did handily outperform contemporary Ford and Chevy 6s however, for whatever that's worth.

I had a '65 Plymouth Valiant with Slant Six and 4-speed, and it was pretty peppy--kinda ran out of steam in the upper revs though.

stickguy

My duster slant 6 3 speed move OK. At least compared to the family volvo 144. Not sure what impact an AT and heavier car will do to the pep factor.

stickguy

Probably should not admit this, but I still would not mind a Mach 1 mustang II, with a stick. Almost bought one in my school days but it was a bit too pricey. Though I would also like a gremlin X. Yeah, I have strange taste.

Mr_Shiftright

I can see the appeal of those. You are fascinated by mutants. Maybe people are.

stickguy

More like what I had or wanted back in my youth.

The mustang would be a canvas for subtle upgrades. Crate 302 motor, better suspension, good seats. Make a little sleeper out of it.

stickguy

Like this one. A solid car, not rusty. Just needs a stick, but I guess if swapping motor, can change it over. But simpler if it just came that way.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-Ford-Mustang-cobra-II-mustang-II-/162504841450?hash=item25d60b18ea:g:f6wAAOSwdjNZC~On&vxp=mtr

Michaell

stickguy said:

Like this one. A solid car, not rusty. Just needs a stick, but I guess if swapping motor, can change it over. But simpler if it just came that way.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-Ford-Mustang-cobra-II-mustang-II-/162504841450?hash=item25d60b18ea:g:f6wAAOSwdjNZC~On&vxp=mtr

I know I've shared this story before. When I lived in CA, I knew someone with a Mustang II. Two of them, in fact. Both white, one with red stripes, the other with blue stripes. Both had the V8. However, the one with the red stripes had been, umm, 'enhanced' and didn't have much in the way of emissions controls. The one with the blue stripes is the one that went for emissions testing every year - and passed with flying colors.

The registration and plates were affixed to the car with the red stripes the other 364 days.

DMV only knew them as "white" in color.

ab348

That Plymouth is kind of a neat throwback to what used to be a mainstream car choice. 6-cyl., automatic, not much on the way of options and not even a radio. The colors are nice though I am curious about that strange-looking stain in the center of the rear seat cushion. Too bad about the hood given the nice condition of the rest of the car.

xwesx

ab348 said:

I am curious about that strange-looking stain in the center of the rear seat cushion.

Oh, that? That's where the owner was born.

texases

As much as I like Mopars and the slant 6, my eventual hobby car will need a bit more 'oomph' to it. That one reminds me of my high school friend's '58 Chevy 4-door with the 6. A slow tank.

explorerx4

@qbrozen,
Somewhat rare and appeals to me is what matters.
Kind of concerning is that there are only 9 vehicles listed for sale including a Super Duty.
I'm assuming that is the tow vehicle.

qbrozen

9 vehicles at that dealer? I'm seeing way more than that on the website.

And now that you made me look, I see he still has the Swinger and is down to $10,990 on it. Ugh! I could have easily replaced the interior at that price and come out ahead.

qbrozen

This one is pretty damned cool

http://www.mutualent.net/mobile/mdetails.aspx?VID=259584823

berri

I like the 64 Plymouth and especially the Dodge, but as coupes with the neat, thin slanted C pillars. The 4dr for me just looked bloated perhaps because of that thick C pillar it used (probably to make it look bigger).

berri

An SS wagon is pretty neat, but I'm not sure about that color...

stickguy

that wagon is certainly interesting. Probably pulls a whopping 6 MPG too!

that Dart is getting cheap. But man, that interior is nasty (the color mostly). Still prefer a stick of course!

qbrozen

berri said:

An SS wagon is pretty neat, but I'm not sure about that color...

The color is one of the more appealing features to me.

ab348

Gotta love it - a "documented 4-4-2" with Cutlass badges on the outside and a Cutlass Supreme badge on the glovebox door. From a "Pro" seller no less.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/oldsmobile/442/1921370.html

I actually should hate what they did to it but aside from the catalog stuff under the hood it's sort of neat. But I can't forgive the misrepresentation.

stickguy

I think it's nasty. But certainly a car that will be a matter of taste. That's sitting about a mile from me too.

qbrozen

ab348 said:

Gotta love it - a "documented 4-4-2" with Cutlass badges on the outside and a Cutlass Supreme badge on the glovebox door. From a "Pro" seller no less.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/oldsmobile/442/1921370.html

I actually should hate what they did to it but aside from the catalog stuff under the hood it's sort of neat. But I can't forgive the misrepresentation.

that's pretty awful, IMHO. Really doesn't matter what it started life as at this point since nothing is left but the chassis and body.

ab348

The interior had a ton of work done to it, which is that part that fascinates me. Not just the seats and door panels, but they removed most of the switches from the dash. Also removed the heater controls, but they needed new ones anyway as the dash proclaims it to be a non-AC car originally and it has it now. The vents on this don't look like they would move much air but who knows. If the quality of the work isn't top-shelf this one would be a perpetual headache.

Mr_Shiftright

They didn't offer a 455 in 1968 on a 442 and there's not supposed to be an "Oldsmobile" emblem on the hood either

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

They didn't offer a 455 in 1968 on a 442 and there's not supposed to be an "Oldsmobile" emblem on the hood either

That's because it's a Cutlass, which does have such an emblem. Plus the Cutlass script on the fenders and trunklid. Plus the vertical Cutlass grille instead of the eggcrate 4-4-2 grille with a 4-4-2 emblem in the middle. The only 455 in a '68 Olds A-body was in the Hurst/Olds. At least they aren't claiming this to be one of those.

But hey, it's "documented".

fintail

I bet you could get a nice real 442 convertible for that money, right? I wonder what was spent on that.

Mr_Shiftright

Well it's going to get "documented" in a courtroom if he doesn't change that ad. Actually the VIN will tell you right away. If his "stock number" he has on the advert is part of the VIN (looks like part of an Olds VIN from that year), then it's definitely not a 442 underneath.

xwesx

ab348 said:

Gotta love it - a "documented 4-4-2" with Cutlass badges on the outside and a Cutlass Supreme badge on the glovebox door. From a "Pro" seller no less.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/oldsmobile/442/1921370.html

I actually should hate what they did to it but aside from the catalog stuff under the hood it's sort of neat. But I can't forgive the misrepresentation.

This had me ROFL! This is not just your random typo.....

qbrozen

make that a double "sigh." He doesn't have any of those things. OK, maybe 6 acres is correct. But I was in and through every building in late March and there ain't no paint booth nor parts dept. 30 car show rooms? I guess you could fudge that. About 12 in one and 8 in the other with room to squeeze between them. Maybe if you eliminate the desks, decorations, bathrooms, and pack them in with no way around, you could get 30 between the two. 16 lifts? Well, yes, but every single one of them is occupied with a car not being worked on. 50 car service dept? That's just silly. He probably does have 50 cars crammed in there, but it is a storage facility, not a service dept. That is where those 16 cars are on lifts, BTW, and they have 16 cars under them and another 16 stuffed in the lane between the lifts. It would take a LONG time to get a car out to test drive if it wasn't right up front, let alone make any kind of room to "service" your car.

Mr_Shiftright

I actually wrote to them and told them about the error, and the reply I just got back was:

"Sorry, that's sold!"

I'm not making this up

stickguy

Used to be the Lincoln mercury dealer. Big building was new and service, smaller one for used cars. Very weird assortment of stuff there. I just drove past an hour ago.

explorerx4

@gbrozen,
I went to their website a different way and the 9 cars was it.
Would like to think they have a big inventory.

tjc78

It seems like they keep the nicer stuff inside.   Outside the huge open lot usually had a lot of questionable condition 70s/80s barges and other not so valuable stuff.  

explorerx4

Odd green, I'll have to agree.

https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6130215279.html

stickguy

I like that color. Kinda like the car. Hate the interior and slushbox.

Mr_Shiftright

Price is about market correct--it's the "whale of a Mustang".

explorerx4

Manual trans Cadillac

https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6134508309.html

explorerx4

When was the last time you saw rear window louvers?

https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6134168391.html

tjc78

I like that four eyed Stang. 

My mom's 85 Dodge Charger had those louvers.

Michaell

explorerx4 said:

Manual trans Cadillac

https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6134508309.html

I'm struggling to understand why someone would want to attempt to sell their $80K classic via CL.

Too cheap to use Hemmings or some other classic car listing site?

stickguy

I like that Mustang also.

texases

explorerx4 said:

When was the last time you saw rear window louvers?

https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6134168391.html

I had that on my '79 Scirocco, had to get the version that fit over the rear wiper. 

Did that year. Mustang come with a carb?

Mr_Shiftright

Yes and No,TBI in '84, rail injection in '86 UNLESS you had a stickshift, then you got a carb in 84 & 85, IIRC. Going from memory, so might be off a little here....

The TBI wasn't very good and I wouldn't recommend it.

ab348

I don't think I've ever seen a '57 DeSoto this plain-jane, but I suppose back then it was fairly common to order a car like this:

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/desoto/firesweep/1947954.html

Mr_Shiftright

Bit optimistic on price, too. You'd think he'd have an engine photo?

explorerx4

Must be a special edition. Never seen a tri color before.
https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6136169525.html

Mr_Shiftright

Oh, that's the High Contact model--came from the factory with huge magnets in the body panels.

berri

Ad said no low ballers; maybe a high baller - oh, I'm not getting into this

qbrozen

me likey

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-alfa-romeo-164-3/

Mr_Shiftright

Great cars to drive--this one has the usual electronic gremlins throughout.