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Good luck
Frank
Frank
After you get a few freeway miles on it I'd appreciate hearing from you about noise. I've owned several 4-bangers and they are always noisy. I'd give up a few MPG and go for the V-6 when it comes out later this month. At 269 HP and still 25+ MPG it's gotta be a blast to drive. I think the mileage is accurate. A friend just bought a '05 Avalon with something like 280 HP and gets 30+ on the hiway.
Cheers,
Larry
Claiming you know something you don't is lying.
I was also planning to buy a CRV, but wound up test driving the Subaru Forester on my way to the Honda dealership and it BLEW ME AWAY! After the Forester X & XT, the CRV drove like a tin can on wheels. And, what's with that tacky plastic fold-down tray/cupholder thingy between the front seats?
By the time I made it to Toyota, I had already driven the Mitsubishi Outlander, which I thought was nicer than the CRV, but I heard the company's in trouble, so I don't want to get stuck with one of those. And, the salesman was practically offering ME money to buy one!
The problem with the 06 RAV4 is that they don't have ANY to sell you! There must have been 25 people at the Toyota dealership, all buying cars. There were only two left on the lot (in addition to the one demo) and they were both sold as I got there! And, this is for the 4-cyl model.
I drove the 4-cyl and it compared favorably to the Subaru, but I found the interior to be very "busy" with multi layers jutting out at you and too many little lights everywhere (I drove it at night). I also have problems with the back hatch opening sideways like a door - what happens if someone parks on top of you? How can you get your packages in? Give me a hatch that opens UP!
Also, didn't like that fact that there were no other options for a storage area for that spare tire. On the CRV, they give you the option of storing it inside the vehicle. The Subaru Forester stores it inside, but it's only a donut, which is disappointing. At least the CRV and RAV4 give you a real tire!
At Toyota, they told me that the V-6 is coming out in February, so I may go and drive one - maybe the interior will be different. It is a VERY good looking vehicle! Body lines are beautiful compared to most other mini-SUV's. Wondering what the gas mileage will be on it. Still like that Forester, though, even though it's ugly as hell on the outside! The inside is richly appointed and it has a gigantic sunroof that almost reaches the back seats - no other mini-SUV offers that! So, I've narrowed it down to the RAV4/6cyl or the Forester and will probably wind up with the Forester turbo. I'm hoping that the Forester turbo prices will take a dip when the RAV4/6 comes out.
I'm interested in hearing pros and cons of each and getting others' opinions on them.
Samantha
OK not to be too much on one side or the other it is possible that the salesman lied, but why would he? Being in the business and knowing what goes on the more likely reason for the incorrect info is Lack of knowledge and a lazy response. Meaning.. 'I dont know the answer to your question Mr Customer and I'm too lazy to get the answer so here's my opinion...'
The best answer always is 'I dont know but I'll find out for you.'
My suggestion if you are shopping and likely will purchase a certain vehicle is to call a store and ask for the Manager. Then tell him you want his most knowledgeable and comptetent sales person for an appointment at a certain time. You are serious about buying vehicle X at this store and want a complete presentation of the vehicle.
You will also get a lower price. :surprise:
In my previous business, the steel industry, there was a well know saying.. 'The higher the level of negotiation the lower the price'.
Buyer to Seller.. Highest price paid
Buyer to Manager
Manager to Manager
Manager to VP
VP to VP
VP to CEO
CEO to CEO.. Lowest price paid
If you are the spouse of the dealership's owner you are probably on CEO to CEO basis. Get to the highest level of Seller as you can as soon as possible.
The Sport model (which was already in the pipeline to the dealer) should arrive in a couple weeks. It just happened to have exactly what I was looking for as far as options & accessories, so I plunked down a deposit on it. As far as pricing goes....they're not going to go to far from MSRP while the demand is still high. It's only when the dealers are sitting with a lot full of them, that they'll start discounting them. That could be awhile. Other dealers I spoke to have already sold what was sent to them as well as others on the way.
However it is a dynamic situation. Obviously the RAV has just arrived and public reaction is just coming in ( via this forum for example ) and the composition of the packages is always open to modification if enough people want it done. Normally it's done on a MY basis but take the launch of the 4Runner several years ago.
They thought that the public would go for the grey rubber cladding around the wheel wells since this was going to take the brunt of the brutal offroading that the 4Runner would be subject to. Launch Oct... by Jan they listened to the market and never produced one of these again. All the subsequent models came with painted overfenders. Sales took off!!
If the 3rd row seat is in strong demand it likely will be added. It may also be available as a stand-alone option but it's a major manufacturing change so there has to be enough demand to warrant it.
I saw it from dealer's computer database. I believe it's true.
Are you familiar with the weight of a full-size wheel and tire? At least I'm assuming it's full-size. That's why the rear hatch opens out as opposed to up. But I'm sure you knew that. Besides...how often does someone park "on top of you"? I can't recall ever not being able to access the cargo area of my van because of someone's lack of parking skills. The tailgate of a van still has to swing out a foot or so.
Anyway, just thought I'd throw my two cents worth in.;)
Larry
If you park in places like NYC (where sometimes a little grease is required to get into a spot :surprise: ), you usually don't have the luxury of having more than 2 feet in either front or back. That would make it impossible to open the RAV's rear door more than about a third of the way.
Thanks in advance!
Dave
Samantha
- hutch
Price for my Corolla is almost 20,000 flat.
I went to toyota.com and configured the base price which is 4 by 2 model. The price is 20,905.
I'm planning to trade in feb. within my first service 5000
milages
Would I pay more... any ideas....
I dont anticipate you will get more than $16-17K for it. The biggest depreciation drop for any vehicle occurs as it rolls off the dealership lot.
~alpha
Last time when my parents Trade in the 2004 Corolla to 2005 Camry... they didn't add some cash..By the way it is Camry LE 4 cly.... monthly 381.98 to exact 382. The is almost the same as Corolla...
A lot of people don't parallel park, unless they live in a city.
To me, a bigger concern is a simple visit to the grocery store. If someone is in line behind you, you'd better hope they leave room. Even if you can swing the door open far enough, you might have to walk around the vehicle to load the groceries.
Same for, say, a visit to Costco.
-juice
It's funny the stuff we take for granted. While I've never been enamored of the side opening door w/o separate opening glass opening the door of our 02 RAV has never been an issue in OK where the parking lots are big and the population somewhat sparse. I've never even had to parallel park it.
I'm a bit suspicious of Toyota's MPG claims on the new RAV given the extra weight. We have never gotten better than 26-27 mpg on the highway with our 2.0L. I wouldn't describe either my wife or I as spirited drivers or having lead feet, but the interstate speed limit in OK is 75 so it's not unusual to be moving along at 80 mph
The EPA needs to revise their tests for estimated mileage--and soon. Funny thing is that my 92 MR2 and 94 Civic have always managed to meet or exceed the advertised EPA mileage.
Gogiboy
We've only put about 75 miles on ours, so I don't know yet what the typical economy will look like. I'll post after the first fillup.
Theres a lot to be said for technology in terms of VVTi and better transmissions.
~alpha
PS- Very jealous that you have a 92 MR2
Despite the monthly payment being the same, that doesn't mean your parents didn't lose money in the deal. If they'd been paying on the Corolla for a year, that's more than $4500 paid into the Corolla that your parents probably never saw again once they took over a new (60 month?) loan for the Camry. That's quite a hit to take in just 12 months time.
I think the 3rd row is pretty useless on the RAV and I like the black fabric on the sport model.
Now I just need to wait for the v6 (what is the current eta?) I'd also like to see the Barcelona red as well.
Also considering Nissan Murano which costs more but has a nicer interior.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I'm thinking that there are several situations where you load from the curb side. Interesting that it's never been an issue for you.
I work in DC, so maybe it's just that I'm used to crowded cities.
-juice
This is very true. The city figures on all vehicles are what make the EPA ratings so subject to controversy. But..
If you can replicate the conditions of the EPA testing you can get their figures as well.
City driving has many more variations than 'highway' driving; i.e. cruising just under the 55 mph speed limit.
If you can 'cruise' along at ~25 mph without many stops and starts then getting the EPA city mileage is possible. It just takes very specific conditions.
On a 50 mile RT last week at 25-40 mph I was able to average ~65mpg in my Prius. But that is the only time it was possible.
Click here to see what I mean.
- 17-in. Styled Steel Wheels w/P225/65R17 Tires(AA)
- 50 state emissions(FE)
- Roll Sensing Side Curtain Airbags and Driver & Front Passenger Front Seat Mounted Side Airbags(GY)
- Roof Rack(DR)
That is before tax and all.