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2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Enjoy!
Thank you so much...
We went from the Ford Explorer Limited V6 4x4 to the Azera Limited Ultimate. The move actually benefits 'safety', the extra air bags, ESC, TCS, ABS, EDB, crumple zones and all the other good stuff may help one survive an accident and possibly help reduce insurance costs.
But... a vehicle is only as safe as the person driving (subjective), even then the unexpected can spoil your day.
One could build the worlds safest car and one could die if it was in an accident.
US to Foreign? subjective... I grew up in Detroit, family, friends and I all have worked at one time or another for the car makers at many different levels, so Detroit iron is in my blood or should I say it was.
Given the cost of vehicles, the warranties, reliability, CO$T of non-warranty repairs, a very educated consumer and other issues/concerns it becomes an issue of dollars and cents/sense.
If you are in a position that finances are not an issue, then you buy anything you want when you want, Jay Leno is one example. If finances require some planning and risk reduction or educated acquisitions, payment over time purchases and other thoughts/issues come into play.
Warranty issues/concerns... the US built (big 3) typically have 3/36 with some slightly better for higher end models. Foreign may be from 3/36 to 10/100 or better and have additional incentives.
I believe the above issues influence a part of todays buying decision. Obviously design and the standard goodies/comfort may be a bigger part.
I stopped buying new US in 98, the vehicle spent more time at the dealers than it did on the road, litterly, I won't buy another, ever. My Explorer was purchased used at a price I couldn't refuse. Now and future acquisitions will be foreign.
So, if you drive 20k year the Azera warranty will cover you for approximately 5 years, you can buy 10/100 bumper to bumper, not to expensive. after the five, if you like it you can trade/buy get loyalty cash and maint. expense is limited to oil changes, tires, belts etc. Some dealers offer tires for life which eliminates that expense. Ask the dealer.
Thanks for the reply.
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Are we allowed to exchange mechanic references in this forum? If so, anybody interesed in recommending a great mechanic that works on Hyundais?
thanks,
cn
Yes. You are obligated to reimburse him for the amount of rent he paid but did not get to use your car. If you don't repay him, he should sue you for it.
Why would you think you should not have to pay him back? I'm glad I'm not your neighbor.
I just wish they would do away with the faux wood interior trim and replace it with a matte brushed nickel or something like the bimmer 330i.
Tax, title, fees were included in my financing.
$474 a month - 60 month.
Yes. You are obligated to reimburse him for the amount of rent he paid but did not get to use your car. If you don't repay him, he should sue you for it.
Why would you think you should not have to pay him back? I'm glad I'm not your neighbor.
(Ranting and raving. Hitting fists on the table). Oh. . .yeah, maybe I should sue HIM for wrecking my car -- at least for the $1000 deductable and the time and effort it took to obtain another vehicle which happened to be more expensive. And my insurance rates went up by about 20%! What about that? (End of ranting and acting).
(Now . . . in a very calm voice) Actually, I admit that was a rather poor example. My point was that often with leases if a car is wrecked the amount owed may be more than the value and if a down-payment was paid it would be lost. Forgive my inaccurate object lesson.
(With a hurt expression) Actually. . . I'm quite a good neighbor.
Was quite suprised - pretty generic - video of the car driving - interior shown - that's about it.
Rather bland IMHO.
Tax, title, fees were included in my financing.
$474 a month - 60 month.
That's pretty much 0% financing. I guess you can't beat that!
Won't see that on the Azera - I did get it on the Sonata a number of years back.
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On there Tv AD, they claim azera has a bigger interior than BMW 750I, that is pretty impressive if it's true!
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
My bad. I just I was just assuming you bought a Limited with one of the accessory packages which would bring the cost to around $27-28,500 depending. Maybe you bought an SE?
Go to www.hmaservice.com and log in. It does not offer a choice for the Azera so I used the Sonata. You will find everything you ever wanted to know about your car. I believe this is where your mechanic will be getting his/her info also.
Congrats pawleys. I too have a black Ult Limited with gray interior. Took it on an extended trip today. Very nice.
Do people realize how horrible Hyundai resale is?
An Azera is going to lose 50% of its value in just 2 years. And that's a huge problem.
Hyundai was pushing the envelope with a V6 Sonata at 21k+, but a 29k MSRP car is just asking for trouble.
If they don't undercut their direct competitors by 4-5k, they're going to fail miserably with the Azera. It should be selling for around 23k, loaded with leather and most options, in reality.
The Azera is already $4-5,000 below their competition. If they keep up with their competitors discounts, they will do fine and the resale value will improve.
You don't know what used Azera's or Toyota's will sell for in two years!
Just goes to show these things are subjective. I HATE the whole, matte brushed nickel chrome thing...but would like to see real wood. Of course that would add $$$. Oh well...
cn
Do people realize how horrible Hyundai resale is?
Things will not change over night. With Toyota it took about two decades. Resale value for Hyundai should gradually improve year by year, but it won't be dramatic.
Remember, just last year in a major study, Hyundai was surveyed to be one of the worst trusted car manufacturers. That was just last year. You're not going to go from the worst trusted to a high valued car-maker in a year or two. It'll take a lot of time.
So, I agree that resale value/residual value is a huge issue with Hyundai. Even if they have the VERY best car on the road in all respects, it is offset if the car plummets in value just after a couple of years.
Of course, if you're planning to keep the car for ten years or so, then the resale value is a mute point. As long as you don't mind people snickering when you say you drive a "Hyundai" you'll be okay.
Many people I have been talking to have been more and more changing their opinion of the Hyundai brand.
As long as you don't mind people snickering when you say you drive a "Hyundai" you'll be okay.
I find that most times the snickering stops when they start experiencing the cars.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
By the way "limp home" = override the security disabling the engine function. The code is NOT SET at the factory - you should have it set before delivery - according to the technical bulletin.
Also - unless their own TB is wrong, your options for lock door are none (factory default it says), when taken out of Park or when speed >= 13 mph (of course, could be 8mph - don't know if they translated kph into mph!) and for unlock are none (factory default) put into Park or key removed from ignition.
The feature for the seat roll-back is also not enabled according to their technical bulletins. Personally - I would like that to be there, and the fact that the back-up mirror(s) don't drop during reverse is a monkey: they advertise that it does - and any XG350 owner knows that their's did.
H7 bulbs for the low beams, eh: nice - I'd get me a set of PIAA 5000K bulbs if I were you!
I'm an extremely shallow and insecure person.
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anyway azera is advertising all over right now, finally.
Also, considering the success Hyundai has been having in the durability department, your assessment of a Hyundai losing 50% of it's value in 2 years may just be a bit of an overstatement.
Trust me...the Azera is worth every penny I paid and I'm not sorry that I got it either.
I just got out of my 2002 Hyundai Sonata which I had for 4 years and it gave me NO problems at all. The only money I put into it was a timing belt change, tune up and alignment around 90K miles. When I traded it in, it had just over 105K miles on it. Due to the mileage...they gave me $4300 for it.
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I guarantee you when Hyundai drops the Entourage, it'll be a more luxurious version of the Kia Sedona. After the 2007 models drop, the Kia Sorento will be in trouble because the new Santa Fe will finally look like and SUV that would appeal to the masses.
Ever since the 2002 model year, Hyundai has been bringing designs that have much nicer lines and greater appeal to the general public. Kias while being technically identical to the Hyundai line up, isn't as visually appealing as the Hyundai cars are. However, that is MY personal opinion.
I mean...the only Kias that I've ever heard talked about with any great passion was the Sorento and the Sportage. Hyundai redesigned the Sonata and with it's design cues likening it to a Jag, it stayed in conversation. The Tiburon and Elantra models appealed to tuners. The Santa Fe held it's own because Kia only had the Sportage for so long. When Kia introduced the Sorento...it was hot because it looked like an older model Lexus RX300.
Hyundai and Kia isn't doing anything different than all the other makers do that have multiple brands out on the market. Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infinity, Honda/Acura, Ford/Mercury, Chrysler/Dodge... One line will be known more so for one thing and the other line will be known for others.
That being said, would you rather have a Kia Amanti or a Hyundai Azera???
Hyundai losing about 50% of its value in two years is NOT my assessment, it's Hyundai's. HMAC is the one setting the residual value at 52%.
Also, considering the success Hyundai has been having in the durability department, your assessment of a Hyundai losing 50% of it's value in 2 years may just be a bit of an overstatement.
Trust me...the Azera is worth every penny I paid and I'm not sorry that I got it either."
Well, I am a Lexus owner and have no idea what you actually paid for your Azera (you list it at $30K sticker price). All I can say is WOW! Do I feel ripped off paying low $30's for my Lexus ES330 two months ago. This price included most options (minus the upgraded sound system and navigation).
Per kbb.com, my Lexus ES330 is probably comparable to the ultimate pkg offered for the Azera, if one were stack options side by side.
Guess I overpaid for a luxury ride, good overall safety ratings, a highly desired nameplate (yes, I am shallow), and of course the well known quality & reliability that Lexus is synonous for. Oh, let's not forget that I will recoup my costs when it comes to selling my Lexus down the road (I may pay a little more upfront, but I get it back in higher resale value + one would statistically expect to shell out less money in repairs over several years of ownership).
Sounds like the Azera is overpriced, no matter how you slice and dice it!
Just wanted to clarify Allmet33's comments about shelling out way more ($10K was the figure), when shopping the various nameplates mentioned in the post, feature for feature. I simply felt the gap was not as wide as posted (and of course, I have no idea what the actual purchase price of the Azera was).
Anyhow, I hope Allmet33 enjoys his Azera, and that you enjoy your Mountaineer. We've all worked hard for our money, so enjoy.
That's not really an insignificant amount - $6500. I've had many Lexii (mostly LS400/430 but one RX300) and found that the ES300/330 is just a Camry with lipstick on it. I don't have a dog in this hunt - don't on either vehicle, driving an Infiniti I35 (wife) and an LS430 myself...
The Azera looks like a clear winner as a replacement for her car - and it's "that time" again!
The cap cost was higher than I wanted to pay ($28,000, but with the $1500 HMAC rebate, it helped.
MUCH MUCH easier with this dealer than I had with the other three nightmares. But it is about 80 miles away.
I'll report on Thursday, when I pick up my Azera and complete the final paperwork. I'll also post photographs.
The dealer knew ALL about programming the EZ out and door locks and the code for the "limp home" thingy. Pretty sharp dealer. This is what I expected with the other three dealers I initially went to, but found them totally incompetent.
Instead of spending hours and hours haggling and arguing and getting no place -- as I did with the other three dealers -- I spent less than 20 mintues and secured the deal on this Azera. Easy as pie.
Just clarifying. Guess, you should be thanked for providing hard numbers.
Not really an online digital manual, but if you go to
http://www.hmaservice.com
and create a free account and login in there, you will have access to the same TSBs, etc, that Hyundai provides their dealers and service depts.
There is no online owner's manual that I am aware of and realize you want a "head start" on the car....but it is one of the most straight-forward, easiest cars I have been in and the owner's manual is very straight forward. More time spent on the Infinity MP3/6CD sound system with Equalizeer (which you will be getting) than anything else. Heating/A/C is a snap; power controls and memory are all very intuitive and straight-forward. I went from a Q-45 Infinity (which was a wonderful car and also very owner-friendly in terms of controls) to a BMW 740iL which was just the opposite (needed a PhD to set the fan speed)...back to a "normal" car with the Azera. Also, up to almost 1,000 miles and absolutely no "glitches", although I really do not like the reflection of the light front part of the dash into the windshield when it is bright out....(but that is the price you pay for a light interior.) I LOVE the darker interior, but just gets too hot for me. Thought of another option suggestion for them in 2007 (ventilated seats). Hope it all works out...and while 80 miles is a haul, if they really know their stuff, I would take it back to them for the first one or two "shakedowns" (I usually make a list on a new car of things I need the dealer to check or tweak....past the settings of the door locks, EZ Out, Limp Home etc....but so far my little note pad is empty ;>>)