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note the 24,095 was with 1k loyality, 500 colledge grad and 500 military, if these don't fit you add 2k
many folks don't quite grasp the concept of oil integrity.
i'm just a little ocd, wash car two, three times a week, remove tires, wash wheel wells, inside of tires and rims, check and log pressure of each, rotate, clean motor compartment, all door jams, vacuum, and other detailing, spare and well get cleaned bi-monthly
don't drive on dirt roads and try to avoid being caught in the rain and avoid puddles when possible
oil, synthetic, change every 3.5k, clean oil for clean oil one might say
Second Hyundai Dealer - Could work out the lease deal, but is unwilling to go below $28,700 on the negotiated price. Lease payment about $410 / month. Not acceptable.
Second dealer said that the Azera is such a HOT car that the manager is unwilling to let it go below $28,700. (Which is funny because they have the SAME Azeras on their lot as they did a week ago.) He said at that price, they're only making $1000. When I brought up the "holdback" he said he knew nothing about a "holdback." (obvious lie)
Now -- Onto my third Hyundai Dealer in Utah. There's also one about 300 miles away, so I'm slowly moving farther and farther out -- until I find what I want or give up.
It's funny how they use the excuse "Yeah, dealers in other states can sell for less, but here in Utah, we have to sell for more."
So, by out the door you mean the sales price plus sales tax plus document fee plus title and registration, license plates, wax jobs, Scotchgard and every other fee tax or cost you had to pay to drive your new car off the lot, right?
Out the door includes everything, right?
I calculate the total bottom line MSRP for the car at $30,075. Is that about right?
Most new cars I've looked at have seat mounts that do not permit raising the front of the seat by simply adding washers. It may take an engineer and a machine shop to do it.
If you do modify your seat mount and get in an accident, you may find you have compromised the strength and/or safety of the car's design. Your monkeying around could eliminate or reduce any injury settlement or lawsuit judgment you might otherwise have been able to achieve.
Once more...the dealer COST invoice on the Azera Limited with Ultimate Package is $27,145. However, he may be in his rights to tack on $200-$400 advertising...BUT is getting back $483 on holdback. In addition, there is $1,000 of dealer cash support offered. This is all independent of the lease deal. So if someone is selling at $26,941 they are making about $900+...which they are entitled to IMHO. $27 is the buy number for this car right now with $1,000 dealer cash. If you are a current Hyundai owner you can get another $1,000 shaved off of that.
But please define "out the door". Without a definition, your statement is pretty much meaningless.
If out the door means the total price including every associated cost (which is my definition) then there would be no additional $125 reg etc.
And what do you mean by etc?
You might mean that the price of the car to begin with is $26,941, but then a buyer must add for registration etc. So the reg may be an additional $125 and the "etc." may be even more charges in addition to the 26,941 and the extra 125.
Here is what "etc" could be: Sales tax 1900 plus maybe 349 for document fee, 399 for window tinting, 299 for a pinstripe, 899 for Auto Butler wax job, 99 for Scotchgard, 29 for tire shine, etc, etc, etc.....
And, why do you state "PERIOD" like it lends some definite finality to the price question? The addition of extra costs over the out the door price for reg and "etc" takes away any chance that the 26,941 + 125 is necessarily a final price.
Maybe the real all inclusive out the door price is over 31,000. Or 33,000.
Do you (or any other readers here) understand what point I am making here?
Please define "out the door".
Then answer this: Do you think out the door price means every dollar amount the buyer has to pay on purchase day to legally drive the car home?
Good point. That's exactly what OTD, means to me too.
I asked this question, before and nobody answered, possibly because it's been no big deal to anyone. Are the plastic looking inside door handles a problem, in apperance or function, for anyone who has purchased or is thinking about purchasing an Azera?
Thanks for any replies.
Program: Lease deal ($299 mo / 27 months + ultimate package)
Results:
None of the dealers would agree to the $299 per month for 27 month lease deal on an Azera Limited (without Ultimate pkg) as advertised by Hyundai. The results of what they WOULD do on a lease for an Azera Limited with the addition of the ultimate package is described below.
Dealer #1 - Westland Hyundai - Ogden, Utah -
Negotiated Base Cap Cost to $27,900 (MSRP 30,075).
But refused to implement the lease deal as advertised and tacked on thousands of dollars in extra fees. Result: best lease price: $474 per month + taxes. STRIKE ONE
Dealer #2 - Riverton Hyundai - Riverton, Utah -
Would not negotiate below $28,700 (MSRP 30,075) Implemented the lease deal. Result: Best lease price $400 per month + taxes. STRIKE TWO
Dealer #3 - Ken Garff Hyundai - Salt Lake City, Utah -
Refused to negotiate below $29,000 (MSRP 30075) Implemented the lease deal. Result: Best lease price $422 per month + taxes. STRIKE THREE
Observations:
* I knew more about the Azera than the Hyundai dealer sales people.
* All refused to honor the advertised Hyundai lease deal on the Azera.
* Most outright lied about invoice price and holdbacks and other financial information
* Several added in "hidden" fees which they were very reluctant to disclose.
* Many were rude, telling me to leave or to get a plane ticket and fly to a different city.
* Many were completely incompetent and couldn't even work the lease software.
Since the "lease deal" (that no dealer would fully do anyway) is over in a few days, it will make the Azera completely "unleasable" With it's very low residual, a lease on a unsubsidized Azera Ltd. Ult approaches $600/ month.
Personally, I am very unimpressed with Hyundai on the corporate and dealer level – which is probably one of the reasons it has such a "trashy" image and is laughed at. My experiences have done NOTHING to change that image. Until Hyundai can pick themselves out of the garbage, buyers such as myself will be drawn to more "upper-class" brands such as Acura that at least know what they are doing.
Maybe down the road Hyundai will get their act together. It might take a while, however, from what I have experienced.
Congratulations to those that actually found a decent dealer that was honest and knew what they were doing. For the rest of you . . . good luck!
Buying a car on Ebay is not my first choice. Why go to the effort and expense of flying to another city and purchasing a car and driving back across the country. The travel expenses alone will approach $1000. It would be foolish to do that BEFORE you even checked out dealers within 50 miles of you. What if they could come within $500 or so of this dealer in Ohio.
I have not even checked ALL Utah dealers yet, so it doesn't make much sense to go on Ebay and risk a buy and then flying to another city 1000 miles away and having to drive the vehicle home.
I'd probably go the Las Vegas route (400 miles) first before going to a dealer in . . . Ohio??
But just the fact that I'd probably have to go out of state to purchase a car is ridiculous. No point anyway. . .since I'm not looking to buy. I looking to LEASE and the lease deal is over in three days -- which is not enough time to get an "out of state" deal done.
So . . . I'm probably stuck just waiting for an incentive later in the year -- hopefully one that the Hyundai dealers will actually do (since Hyundai incentives are just "suggestions" which dealers can choose to do or not).
Very odd car company.
Apparently, most reading this board would also agree that OUT THE DOOR means ALL COSTS associated with the sale including tax, reg, license, wax job, window tint, pinstripe, additional dealer markup, fuzzy dice... EVERYTHING!
That said, I believe that for comparing deals offered by dealers, only those costs which the dealer has some control over should be included. So, that means include no government fees or taxes.
The point is, this is a communication forum. If some of us insist on using jargon, such as OUT THE DOOR, dealer pacs, ADM, dealer cash, rebates etc., then that jargon should be defined in the post.
Is it a word game? Semantics? Well, DUH! We are only able to use words here, so lets do it right! Use words with definite meanings, or, if you insist on using insider jargon, at least be sure to define it in your posts if you want the majority of us to have a chance to understand.
Or, just keep doing it your way and continue confusing the issues.
(Another reason for not calling a dealership about advertisements is because usually you cannot talk to anyone on the phone who has full knowledge of what he/she is talking about.)
Some may just pretend to be idiots, who knows? But even if you do get someone with some smarts and authority, the deal quoted (if it really was a good deal) will change for the worse when you actually get to the store.
The only goal of a sales staff is to get a warm body within arm's reach so the sales pitch can be fired at that (hopefully) uninformed shopper.
Don't ask me to deciefer, you'll have to call or send e-mail for your questions.
"Dan Conyers" 1-800-247-1880 wrote:
Yep, we can do it.... see below
Lease a 2006 Hyundai Azera Limited for $299/month for 27 months, $2,925 customer cash down plus $1,000 HMFC origination support*, and $3,224 due at signing. See your local dealer for lease details. This program is effective from February 01, 2006 through February 28, 2006
AND
If you are currently a registered owner of a vehicle distributed by Hyundai Motor America, you can receive an additional $1,000 off a new 2006 Hyundai Azera. This program is effective from February 01, 2006 through February 28, 2006
Recent (2000 or newer) Hyundais have all been pretty reliable or very reliable. And the warranty should take care of things that do go wrong, if any.
The value quotient is tremendous to the point of being irresistable to a growing number of shoppers.
Hyundais are very good cars, period!
Well. . . there's only 2 business days left on the lease deal (ends 2/28) which is not enough time to do something out of state. So, I'll wait to see if the lease deal is extended or if a new lease deal offered. If not, I can wait for another deal . . . or another car. I'm not in any huge hurry.
Wish list, aside from glitches above would be optional navigation with blue-tooth link and auto-start with remote key fob set up to arrange seats before entry. As for the "plastic" door handles...if you mean the simulated wood handles, I think they are great. Very solid and sturdy, good feel and will probably hold up well. Everyone has their own personal needs, likes and $$. Buy what makes you happy!!
Frazee, well done, you nailed it.
I agree on views and future upgrades 100%.
We love our Azera, maybe in a year or two when the upgrades are complete we'll trade.
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Invoice on Azera Ltd. Ult is $27,145. One of the dealers I went to added a $500 advertising fee. The lowest I was able to get was $27,900 (too bad they couldn't get the lease to work). The other dealers I met with were $28,700 and $29,000. They wouldn't budge below those.
Personally, I'd take a $27,800.
By the way. . . the holdback on the Azera Ltd. Ult is slightly over $850 not $483. It is 3% of price not 2% as Edmunds listed. I had that confirmed or saw it on the invoices at all three dealerships I visited.
The dealers I went to are all using the "this is a hot car" - "can't keep them in stock" -
"won't be getting very many new ones because they can't keep up with demand" lines. Not sure how accurate. The dealers I contacted here in Utah have the same Azeras as they didn't when I first contacted them -- so it "appeared" to me as if they haven't sold very many. But if the "demand" line is true, it will limit how much dealers will discount the Azera.
Who really knows? I hate car dealers!
One more thing, I will agree that the Hyundai dealerships are 3rd world compared to Toyota, Lexus, Acura, etc.
The dealership I am using sells VW and a couple of other brands as well so it isn't as used-car-lot.
One more thing, I will agree that the Hyundai dealerships are 3rd world compared to Toyota, Lexus, Acura, etc.
The dealership I am using sells VW and a couple of other brands as well so it isn't as used-car-lot.
I agree Chili. This harkens back to a few years ago when the Hummers were hot and about 15 years ago when the mazda Miata was hot and also like the recent Zo-6 Vette which dealers are asking 5-10 K over sticker (not invoice) for. It all comes back to bite them in the butt. My feeling is that the Azera, maybe hot right now, will not be so hot in a few months. I can get a NON-Navi 2006 Honda Accord Hybrid for about 29,000 in the Chicago area and I am positive that its resale will be much much better than the Azera. Being in the Insurance biz and having access to Black books that dealers use, I can tell you that the value of the Hyundais takes a real dive when compared to a Toyota or Honda. Sure, the Honda doesn't have quite the equipment and gadgets, BUT I am way sure that the Honda will hold its value way above the Hyundai in a year or two. Hyundai
still has a long way to go in both build and reputation.h
Glenn
1) Resale/residual value. This has been discussed a lot already. I think Hyundai will continue to improve in this area; however, I don't feel the improvement will be dramatic. It won't jump from a poor resale to a good or excellent -- maybe a fair is the best improvement in a year or two. This factor may cause people to back off buying or leasing.
2) Gas mileage is rather poor. Motor Trend magazine tested the Azera against the Avalon and Passat (which it rated third behind those two -- although it was close). The Avalon, even though it's more powerful and faster, gets 20% better gas mileage. The Passat, even though it's also more powerful and faster, gets 10% better mileage than the Azera.
And the test results may be optimistic. From what I have heard from Azera owners is their city driving is in the 15-18 mpg range. One positive is that the Azera uses regular grade fuel which helps counteract the poor fuel economy.
Resale value and gas mileage. Do they offset the many positive features of the Azera. I guess it depends what's important to you. The "cost per mile" for the Azera will certainly be more than the Avalon or Passat. But it might be worth it.
Now what I want to know from all you OWNERS is how does it DRIVE??? Talk to me about acceleration, break feel, handling,what do those dual tail pipes sound like? Who has actually pushed the AZERA to see what the vehicle can do performance wise?. Of course I am not asking for what C&D, or Motor Trend is saying. This comming from again; owners with different driving habits.
I love the look of the car & all the bells & whistles... but I want to hear about is the DRIVE.
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Thanks for the reply, but I did not mean the simulated wood door handlea, I actually like those. I meant the handles that you use to open the doors from the inside. Aren't those plastic looking? Sorry, if I wasn't clear.