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Yes, I did. What prompted me to bring this subject up in the Azera Forum was a service directive published on 2/14/06, regarding the status of automatic door locks on the 2006 Azera. It's my conclusion that Hyundai is shipping all vehicles that have automatic door locks disabled.
I see from an earlier post indicated the owner made his way to a dealer other than the one he purchased his car from and had the locks changed free of charge. That's good! I see others mentioned that the locks were programed by the dealer free of charge. That's good also.
I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention that a charge for having the locks programed is possible, and to alert buyers as to how to proceed.
I'm glad we both agree.
That statement clearly implies that there is a charge to activate the auto locks. You suggested buyers negotiate the activation into the purchase price, again implying that there is a charge for this standard feature.
As someone said, this is every bit as much a dealer prep item as removing the plastic seat covers. If fact, it probably takes less time to program that it does to carefully remove the seat covers.
Hyundai states that the vehicles are delivered with the auto lock default at "disabled" so the dealer will set it to the buyer's choice.
If I were you, I'd go back to the dealer who ripped you off and demand either a refund of the charge or a $50 credit on future service work.
over uneven roads. Sports suspension would prove helpful.
Are owners or prospectves aware that $1118.00 provides extended warrenty, increasing bumper to bumper coverage to ten years/ 100,000 miles.
It is transferable and can be eliminated at pro rated charge.
I was informed by Hyundai America customer support person that if enough owners complain about technical issues, corporate may work faster to remediate issues.
It's a numbers game with them. More complaints equals faster action.
Tilt mirrors, memory seat functions etc.
Please contact them with your concerns.
over uneven roads.
Wow, those roads you have must be really bumpy for you to drive only 17.8 mph for 750 miles.
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(Teasing. I know you meant 17.8 mpg)
Would you know if the Azera has an outside teperature
guage,and what type of headlights does the auto have?
Also when are the 2007 coming out?
Also when are the 2007 coming out?
Well. . . they haven't even started to adverstise the 2006 Azeras yet (in local papers), so I have no idea. Most dealers here are sticking the Azeras in the back and telling customers (such as me) that they are scarce and haven't really begun to come in yet. But they are certainly trying to push the old models to rid themselves of old stock. If the same pattern holds true, the 2007 Azeras won't really appear in showrooms for another year -- maybe next February.
My local dealer has started to advertise them and actually has them in the front line along the road in front of the dealership. Nice looking car.
My wife and I went to the Pittsburgh Auto show over the weekend and I was trying to get her to look at the 06 Sonata(she currently drives an 04 Sonata LX) and we saw the Azera. Wow! Beautiful car, nicely equipped, comfortable, and very roomy. She has now decided that is her next car!
Link to list of standard features
Personally, I wish the Azera had xenon instead of projection halogen.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_3151_295632461,00.h- - tml Will this unit be able to be installed in the azera without the warranty being void? Also does it look like a double din unit like that can be installed without the unit looking abnormal in the car? Thanks and God Bless
> in today. Wheels look like Tiburon GS (base) wheels. Limited
> wheels are much nicer.
Are the SE wheels flangeless?
> Fabric interior is OK - this car was purple (Auborgine?) with
> tan fabric.
What does the fabric look like? (pattern, texture, etc.) I hope it's not like the bath towels that they use in the Sonata.
What does the (non-electro) instrument cluster look like?
Thanks.
Thought the temperature readout should be standard.
My Mazda 3s has outside temp. and also xenon lights.
Wish the Azera offered xenon as an option. They are
really nice!
Thanks aspen3
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> option would be to go to a dealership and look at an SE or
> Limited.
There are 3 Hyundai dealers within (reasonable) driving distance of my home, but none of them have an SE in stock. This is why I asked for a description.
Curious that Hyundai doesn't even have an interior shot of the SE on their web site.
Azera LTD. does indicate outside temp.
When I switched a few years ago to a fully synthetic oil, I was told I could even go longer than the 5000 miles between oil changes because the synthetic oil doesn't sludge, degrade, or breakdown -- which I can confirm.
So, the 7000 mile interval might be based on a recommended fully synthetic oil which gives a greater protection and lubrication. If you go fully synthetic, there's no way you'd have to change every 3000 miles no matter what environment you live in.
The link below takes you to an article about synthetic oil. You can probably extend the time between oil changes. But to be safe, it is recommened to stick to the service guide. But a mechanic that says you must do something DIFFERENT than the service guide (i.e. 3000 miles) or it voids the warranty is wrong.
Synthetic Oil Article
If the service manual for the Azera recommends 7000 miles (make sure it's miles not kilometers), then you could that or less and be covered under warranty. The only time the warranty might be voided is if you go LONGER than that 7000 mile interval.
Personally, if it were me, I would do what I'm now doing and use fully synthetic oil and change every 5000 miles or so. Since I drive about 10,000 miles a year, that means a twice-a-year oil change.
After a lot of lies by the 3 dealers and a lot of negotiaitions, here is what the final deal I signed was:
Azera limited with Ultimate package with Sunroof wind deflector
Sage green with Beige
2925 + 595 acquisition fee+300 security+tax+registration down
317+tax per month
0.00119 Money Factor
15939.75 Residual value
Disposition fee=300
Buy out fee=300
They threw in the Gap insurance and couple of other meaningless small stuff free
This is 12K miles per annum 27 months lease
Not as juicy as the first few offers, but it seems most dealers lie just to get u in showroom and present different nos. This was the 3rd dealer I went to, and was too tired already.
Inoice, incl Freight 24,811.00
Gross Margin 0.00
Acquisition Fee 595.00
Gross Cap Cost 25,406.00
HMFC Origination Support 1,000.00
Cap Cost Reduction 2,925.00
Net Cap Cost 21,481.00
MSRP, incl Freight 27,495.00
RV%(12,000 mi./yr) 53%
RV$ 14,572.35
Money Factor .00119
Monthly Depreciation 255.88
Monthly Rent Charge 42.90
Monthly Base Payment 298.78
Cap Cost Reduction 2925.00
Security Deposit 0.00
Due at Lease Signing 3,223.78
I posted a lengthy experience at my Hyundai dealer today and it is no longer showing up. Has it been deleted? It look me about 20 minutes to write it and described by negative experience with them.
The bottom line was they included thousands of dollars in costs to the lease which artificially raised the lease payments to $474 /mo. When I asked for the exact $299/27 month deal on the Ltd, they refused telling me they would lose money. I didn't know you can refuse to do an advertised lease deal from the manufacturer. Isn't that odd? False advertising? Bait & Switch?
Maybe I'll try a dealer is Salt Lake City, but there's already bad signs. A dealer in Salt Lake quoted me via email a Azera Ltd. Ult. car for about $29000 (way too much) and when I emailed about the $299/27 month deal, I didn't get any response. In fact, I STILL haven't gotten a response after several emails. So, they are certainly avoiding it.
One of the things I found odd was that when I went to this dealership close to me, they claimed ignorance about the manufacturer's lease deal. They said there was none. Then I pulled out the actual print-out from the manufacturer and showed it to him and, after many minutes, he admitted that he knew about it, but it "only came in today." (Right) But then, in the end, he refused to honor it and really inflated the lease numbers and claimed that they come directly from the Hyundai computer system itself and cannot be changed.
The only new thing I learned is that their "holdback" rebate is more than I thought. Edmunds listed it at 2% of invoice. Yet the holdback printed on the invoice was in the mid-$800 range -- which indicates a 3% holdback. When I brought that up (when he said he was losing money on the negotiated deal of $27900), he said that he doesn't get a penny of the holdback. (Right). He said that is already spent on overhead and cannot be used in the negotiations.
So, in the end, I was willing to offer him, $300 over invoice plus $500 advertising fee plus they'll get the $883 holdback. I thought that was VERY FAIR. Yet, they tacked on several thousand dollars in other hidden "fees" and refused to honor the Hyundai manf. deal.
I have used full synthetic oil for years in both boats and auto and have found improved running and lower fuel consumption.
Sooner than that. I was sitting here watching the news and saw my first Azera ad on tv. It was a slick looking 30 second ad.
Awful and laughable experience at Westland Hyundai in Ogden, Utah today. It started off badly. They couldn't initially find the keys to an Azera to test drive. They couldn't make a copy of my driver's license because the copy machine was not working. I just stood there for fifteen minutes waiting for them to get their act together.
Finally test drove. It was okay. I'm used to a smaller car, so it was certainly something I had to get used to, but it went fine (other than there was no gasoline in the car and the "low fuel" light was on for the whole test drive). It seemed very "plastic-like" to me on some of the controls and items inside – which was odd because it was compared by many to a Lexus. Not even close on that one, I'm afraid.
Then I met to negotiate. I was able to get the base cost on an Azera Ltd. Ult. (Black/black) to $27,400. Then he showed me an "invoice" and told me that they MUST charge a $500 advertising fee because it is REQUIRED by Hyundai and ALL dealers have to pay it. (Right). So that brought the base cost to $27,900. I did find out by looking at his invoice paper that the "holdback" rebate to the dealership was $892 (or 3% of the MSRP) which means Edmunds is wrong about it being 2% of invoice.
I then asked them about the $299/27 month lease deal and would like to use that on this negotiated price and vehicle. They said okay. They ran the numbers using a 53% residual and a .00119 (2.86%) money factor. So far so good.
Then they printed out the lease form and the payments were about $500 per month. LOL What!! I looked at the numbers and they were
$27900 Base Cost
$ 3210 (Security Deposit, First Monthly payment, Upfront Charges, rebate charge -- I'm not kidding!!)
$ -4500 Cap Cost Reduction ($3500 down payment and $1000 Rebate)
$26610 Adjust Cap
$15940 Residual (53%)
.00119 (2.86%) Money Factor
Total Payment $474 /mo.
I laughed and asked about these "fees". He told me the security deposit of $525 is required and must be included in the lease. He also said the first monthly payment must be included in the costs. He said there are about $1000 of Hyundai fees and paperwork charges that he has no control over. He said the $1000 rebate cannot be used for cap reduction and must be charged back. Therefore there's a total of $3210 in fees that is offset by the down payment and $1000 rebate.
I laughed again and told him, "I don't think so." The rebate comes right off the cap cost. You don't CHARGE me the $1000!!! And the $1000 document fee is ridiculous. He told me that he has absolutely NO CONTROL over the numbers. He just puts them in the computer and Hyundai calculates the lease. There is NO negotiation possible since they cannot alter the computer and software that Hyundai is using.
I laughed (Yes, I was laughing a lot here and he was getting very mad, but I couldn't help it) and told him that was ridiculous. I asked him then to give me the Hyundai lease deal on the Limited WITHOUT the ultimate package for $299/mo. He said he would not. He said they would lose money and that's it's not possible. I told him it was a national promotion. He said he WOULD NOT do it and that NO DEALER in this area would and that I should leave and go elsewhere and try.
I was very nice, but I laughed as I left the dealership. What a complete waste of a morning. Now, even if I DO get the $299/27 mo. deal, I don't think I'll do it after that experience. What a scam! I think I'll look at Acura TL now and see if I get the same garbage from them. BTW, I printed out a lot of final lease deals on the Azera posted here on this and other forums. He looked at them as said that ALL of them had thousands of dollars in fees that the posters are not telling me about and they are all lying about the monthly payment numbers.
If this car is to be successful, something needs to change with the Hyundai dealers. Even if half the negative events on this board are the fault (somehow) of the person who posted, there are still far too many problems with buying this car to make it worth the trip to a dealership to even look at it, much less talk money.
As a serious car buyer during '06, the Hyundai is rapidly dropping off my radar screen of possibilities. Nice looking car, great warranty... but how do you lease it when the dealers won't honor a lease under the terms the factory advertises? Should we wonder why Toyota and Honda lead the way, or are we getting a clue here... ??
As for local ads, they will vary depending on the stock of XGs at your local dealership.
Full-scale advertising across the country should start soon, if it hadn't already.
What I was quoted today was absolutely ridiculous. $3500 down payment and $521 per month -- 27 month lease. FOR A HYUNDAI!! And that was AFTER I negotiated a base cap cost of $2200 off MSRP.
I can lease an Acura TL with $3500 down for about $390 a month! (although that's a 36 month lease, not 27. . . but still)
I just called a different Hyundai dealer and talked to a salesperson about this $299/27mo lease deal and he was silent as if he knew nothing about it. He then said he would call me back. Still waiting on this one.
Another dealer I emailed about it never got back to me at all.
Awful! So far I'm not impressed at all (and I've had warning signals all along the way) and is giving me HUGE second thoughts about the Azera.
I'm not sure what volume has to do with it. There's an old joke about selling something for no profit, and making it up on volume. It seems that in this case, the joke is on the potential Azera leasees.
The dealership needs to make a profit. But I think MY problem is they are NOT being honest with me. For example, when they tell me that the $1000 HMAC incentive for financing through them CANNOT be used to reduce the cap cost and, thus, they CHARGE me the $1000 and then later SUBTRACT the $1000 and call it a rebate. ????
Is there really a $500 "advertising fee" that ALL dealerships have to pay as required by Hyundai corporation? Really???
I just got off the phone with my third Utah dealership. Same Azera Ltd. Ult., but THEY said the lease will be $390 / mo. (The other dealership said it was $474 / mo.
When I asked exactly what the base cap cost (negotiated price) that he used, he refused to tell me saying that those numbers are not allowed to be given over the phone and that I MUST come in to get them. Really?
He said that they were the largest Hyundai dealer in Utah, yet they only have 2 Azera Ltd. Ult. in stock. Really? Largest and only 2. Wow.
"Yes, we can get you a different color, but it costs $500 extra to arrange to get one in." (Yep. . . that's what he just told me over the phone). Really?
"Why?" I asked.
"Because if we trade a car off our lot for another car from a different dealer, we lose our holdback money from Hyundai."
"I thought your holdback on the Azera Ltd. Ult was over $850?"
"Well . . Maybe, but Hyundai only charges us $500 for the exchange."
"How come the other dealership didn't didn't tell me that?"
"Well, you said they quoted you $474 for the lease, they probably factored it in."
Hmmm... So. they're hiding these fees somewhere.
All I want is this:
I'll give them $500 over invoice for the vehicle (plus they get the $883 holdback).
I want the HMAC lease program. $2925 down. Plus $595 Acquisition fee. $1000 HMAC incentive. 53% residual. .00119 money factor. Plus out the door license and registration fees.
Isn't that fair?? That's all I want without the game playing.
Payment around $340 + tax. I'll take it.
But, no, all of these games with hidden fees. It appears to be very difficult to get a straight deal.
I might go down to this dealership to see the numbers, but they only have 2 Azeras (grey and white) and I don't like either of these colors. They can get me another one, but is it REALLY true that they lose their holdback money if they exchange a car for a different color? Really?
Sounds like bull to me.
Advertising fees are legit. Hyundai charges us for it, and we pass that cost onto the consumer. You only know about it if it is pointed out to you. Its part of the invoice .
Other than that part, just about everything else you've been told is bovine manure.
There is no security deposit.
The rebate comes off of sale price, not added to it.
Hyundai doesn't charge a dealership to trade a car.
Availability is low right now. My store is in the top 20 in the nation and we've only gotten 8 Azeras in. It may benefit you to wait a month or so for more cars to be available. Right now it is a hot commodity, and most dealers want to make a large profit on the car. When they're paying interest on 15 or 20 sitting on the lot, they will be more cooperative. Remember, if you want to be the first to have it, you will pay a premium.
Sales volume allows a dealer to take a smaller profit on a car sometimes because the the old "make it on the next guy" theory. Unfortunately, sometimes you are the next guy.
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$26,941...couldn't cost more than $300 or $400 to get it delivered or enjoy the drive home to check it out??
He would probably give you the lease you are seeking. I got it in NY on January 31. No ifs, ands buts.,....was written on the car back window. Drove car, picked color, wrote lease, drove off next day; back 2 days later to program locks and ez seat and done. Gas is about 18 mpg in first few tanks...using 89 octane regular; nice respite from BMW hi-test. Agree with bumpy road noise, and wind deflector noise...but loved going out with 26 inches of snow, setting all heat on, coming out 1/2 hour later and having nice easy cleanoff and heated seats. Car is so quiet when idling, can't tell it is on; sound system is awesome, trunk is practical in shape and huge in size. Overall best $27,000 you can spend on a car IF you get over:
a.) Reality of depreciation via lease or very long-term ownership
b.) Generally smarmy dealers used to dealing with a lot of smarmy customers. :P
I'm meeting with Riverton Hyundai in Salt Lake City on Thursday. If I could get within $500-600 of $27000, and get the color I want and the subsidized lease without the crap, I'd rather do that than the much more complicated out-of-state lease & delivery. If the deal and delivery from Ohio is $27,400 and the deal offered here is $27,600, it obviously wouldn't be worth the effort to buy out-of-state.
The problem I ran into here was not so much the negotiated base price -- which I negotiated to $27,900, it was the way the subsidized lease was handled. That was the hang-up. I was actually prepared to accept the $27,900 price (although higher than my goal of $27,500). All they had to do was implement the Hyundai lease AS DESIGNED by Hyundai, and I would be home now with an Azera.
But they tried to slip in extra fees and profit into the lease and it blew the whole deal. So I'm trying another dealership tomorrow.
Can u tell me which dealer in NY did u get the EZ out programmed from? If its nearby and he does it for free/minimal charge, I may make the trip. My dealer does not know abt it, but has promised to try to get the service dept to find out how to do it
The car seemed to be well made and quiet. I was not real crazy about the exterior styling, etc. but that is purely subjective. It had a full size spare which is a plus. I really did not like the interior and thought it(especially the dash) looked and felt CHEAP. On to the drive. We made a loop of about 5 miles, half at low speeds and half freeway. The car handled well, especially at speeds up to 50mph or so and really felt solid. Even in 5th gear(automatic) at freeway speeds around 60 it was turning about 2000rpm and felt as if it was geared too low for my taste.
My salesman was a nice enough guy(this is a tough job)and tried hard. I asked him about what you could lease the car for and he said they had a special 27 month lease that would run about $500. per month!! I told him about the $299. on the web site and he said, Oh that is for the SE. I said no it is for the limited. They obviously think they have a great car and that they are in a position to really soak anyone who wants to buy or lease one. I just thanked him for his time and left. This was not a car that I just had to have. To all who really want one you need to be patient. They should start to panic soon and will start making deals.