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Acura TL vs. Toyota Avalon



  • alphawolfalphawolf Posts: 100
    "The only valid comparison to the Toyota Avalon would be with the Buick LaSabre, Park Avenue or Lacrosse! Luxury and bland."

    Actually, I think the 300c is the only legit comparison as it has the same amount of rear seat room and for sure has the horsepower.

    Like you stated- those other cars are just too boring and would not bring in the under 35 yr old people.

    Buick would need to come out with something like the Grand National but with more luxury to get younger buyers.

    I think of my Grandfather when I think of Buick.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The Avalon is probably a better car than any Buick, but unfortunately, I also think of my grandparents when I think of the Avalon. I don't what it is, but Toyota just couldn't come up with any decent styling for its sedans even if its life depended on it. :confuse:
  • lakedoglakedog Posts: 15
    All of you, STOP ALREADY with the Avalon/TL comparison!!! The ONLY similarity between the two is the price! Why not compare it to the RL, or better yet the Infinity M35. The M35 is a gorgeous, elegant car, but still falls short of the Avalon's quiet and smooth ride. There are a few more bells and whistles on the RL and the M35, but for my needs, the price difference is just not necessary. My new limited is a joy to get into each morning, and I even got all the floor and trunk mats, and the infamous little black case for the owner's manual WITHOUT asking for them. :)
  • lakedoglakedog Posts: 15
    Yes, I agree with many of you who have said that the styling is a bit dowdy. But, give it a few weeks or months, I am liking the style more and more each day, you may too. :D
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    Toyota is doing very well despite of it though. One day if they wake up and start making cool looking sedans then watch out........ Then again, maybe there're people who simply prefer plain looking cars, or let's say, they may look upon more to 'inner beauty' and a peace of mind/ride.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    You're right, but I won't hold my breath waiting for Toyota to come out of their styling coma. When was the last time Toyota actually produced a good-looking sedan? Mid-80's Cressida, maybe? The new GS is probably the best of their current lot. The IS has potential if only they ditched the boy-racer styling.
  • donb1donb1 Posts: 49
    After a long decision process and test drives of both the TL and the Avalon I finally came down on the side of the Avalon. It was a very difficult choice. I loved the TL and just about everything on/in it. I did have some concerns on the vibrations and rattles in the TL but those alone would not have been the determining factors. After reading the comments on this, and other forums I felt that the car best fitted to my needs was the Avalon. We will be making a good number of trips of trips over 500 miles this year to visit the grandchildren. The Avalon is a smoother and quieter car than the TL, more suited for those long trips. The Avalon also has a much bigger back seat, better for those child seats and all the toys we will be bringing them. I got a great deal on the XLS model, it seems that getting a Limited in Ohio is like hitting the lotto. I do like many of the features of the Avalon and I will be quite satisfied in a mature way Oh God I think I am offically a geezer now! :D
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Given your criteria, I think you made a very astute choice. And let's face it, the TL is not the perfect car. On a bad day, when the car buzzes and rattles, it bugs the crap out of me. :cry: :mad: Happy motoring!
  • dclkdclk Posts: 8
    Ladies and Gentlemen, like many of you I am torn between the Avalon Limited and the TL. I currently own two Toyotas ('97 Camry LE, '03 Sequoia LTD) and have been the driver of two passed down Toyotas ('81& '87 Cressidas) as well; so I'm partial to Toyotas because I feel I really know them.

    But in terms of a fair comparison, I think it's better to compare similar jewels; in this case flagship to flagship. When comparing the Avalon and the TL, I expect that the Avalon should come up short since it's not in the same luxury class of the TL. The fairest comparison for the Avalon is against the Maxima, just like the Maxima historically competed with the Cressida (notice how much the Maxima and Avalon look alike?) And when you do compare flagship to flagship, the Avalon wins in nearly every catagory (exterior styling still aimed at the older age segment perhaps).

    I know that several Avalon vs "fill in the blank" threads exist, but I think you have to compare diamonds to diamonds and not cubics.

    Having said all that, in the end it's really a Toyota product vs Honda product with all the fancy marketing ploys to get us to spend more money for a Honda or Toyota. It's still a hard choice though.

  • 54gradsteds54gradsteds Posts: 102
    Why, oh why did Chrysler have to merge (read: be gobbled-up) by Mercedes??? The PERFECT marriage would have been with Toyota! Then, we'd have the best of BOTH worlds: Toyota's near bullet-proof reliability and some DECENT, IMAGINATIVE STYLING! With the new Avalon, we have to settle for reliability only....
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Are you saying a Chrysler/Toyota, or a Mercedes/Toyota union? I assume the latter, since IMO, Mercedes are producing some of the best-looking cars in the world today, bar none.

    Chysler styling is also innovative, but I think they have peaked. Now their new stuff (ie. Magnum wagon, 300C, Vipers, etc) border on being self-caricatures.
  • 54gradsteds54gradsteds Posts: 102
    I think either would have been good, style-wise. I've owned an '85 Cressida for ten years, which I actually thought was quite good-looking, then a timidly-styled '95 Avalon for another ten, and, after having had a look at the new one, the cheap, Mickey-Mouse leather alone has turned me off! Ditto for the cheap-looking doors covering nav and audio systems. They should have given them a neutral covering instead of a cheap, retro-like 1960's Christmas tree effect with too much tinsel ! That's going to get very old-looking awfully fast, in my opinion.. I looked into a new Mercedes 320 yesterday, and, while it also has perforated leather, there are no crappy-looking pleats or wrinkles in it! Toyota should be ashamed to foist such poorly designed and perhaps poorly executed workmanship on us, especially at THAT price ! Incidentally, I think the leather in my '95 Avalon is beautiful...Also, I agree with you about the new Magnum. It could double as a hearse, it's so ugly, and, while I was initially quite taken with the 300, the windows are downright stupid looking! I was referring more to the innovative styling which Chrysler put into the Intrepid, Concorde, etc...of about ten years ago...Even the '57 Plymouth was a smash! Giving away my age, I guess.....
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    Acura hit a home run in 2004 with the TL new looks, however they really dropped the ball with the RL, it looks exactly like an Accord.

    Regarding a TL vs Avalon comparison is strange IMO. But I was considering an Avalon because it's a lot car for the money and my past experience with Toyota was so positive - ultimate reliability.

    Bottom line is that a new silver TL is in the garage :shades:
  • wwang025wwang025 Posts: 3
    Has anyone thought of comparing the Toyota Avalon Limited to the LEXUS GS300 ? Check this out:
    Avalon GS300
    Engine 3.5L V6 3.0 I6
    Power 280hp @ 6200rpm 220hp @ 5800rpm
    260lb-ft @ 4700rpm 220lb-ft @ 3800rpm
    Std Tranny 5-speed Auto 5-speed Auto
    Fuel Economy 22/31 18/25
    Curb weight 3600 lb 3649 lb

    Price $33,540.00 $38,875.00 t100583&v=t100187
  • billyperksbillyperks Posts: 449
    You are quoting the older model GS300.
    The new GS packs around 240 horses.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    I think the Avalon stacks up very well against the Lexus E330. I actually like the exterior of the Avalon than the Lexus, great new look. You pay for that Lexus label.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    However, my wife hated the Avalon, so I bought her a TL and I love the car. She wanted a more sporty car for her lead foot. :P
  • gbjerkegbjerke Posts: 158
    Count your blessings man!
    I've posted a long time ago on this issue. Sold wifeys Avalon with intent on getting a TL. She drove the TL and the Lexus ES....she is now driving the ES. Although she is younger than me by a couple of years she did get old on me. My driver is a Corvette Z06!!
    The TL is drop dead georgeous; great performer/great handling and all the toys one would want....EXCEPT, per wifey, "The Lexus rides nicer and is so much quieter".
    I really didn't lose the battle as I am very impressed with the Lexus "for cruising the interstates", which is generally when I drive the car.
    That being said, they are really two different cars, the TL for performance/handling and the ES for quiet cruising.
    One has to pick his poison!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "One has to pick his poison!"

    You mean cars, or wives? :P :shades:
  • gbjerkegbjerke Posts: 158
    LOL---how about I say BOTH!
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    LOL, I was so pleased that my wife chose the TL over an Avalon, and we did test drive the Lexus, and it felt just like our old Camry - didn't want to pay for an expensive Camry-like Lexus. My wife so disliked the Avalon she didn't even want to test drive it.
  • deaniedeanie Posts: 172
    Hi Will:
    I am a proud owner of an 05 Avalon XLS, but when I read your post, I thought, "Is this guy serious?" The Avalon has not broken the 6.00 seconds to 60mph in any published article, and the TL outhandles (slightly) all Avalon models, including the Touring, and I know this from driving them back to back from one dealership to the other on two separate occasions. If you don't trust my judgement, read the auto mag articles published on the TL over the last two years, and compare their comments and numerical data findings to the articles penned on the Avalon at this time (relatively few so far).

    You'll find no head-to-head comparison - yet - but the TL consistently posts slightly higher slalom speeds and produces slightly higher G's than the Avalon, but the Avalon easily outbrakes the TL (honda underspecs their brakes and tires - why? I do not know any other reason than to save $ while capitalizing on quality/reliability reputation). Where did your info come from? If from an article, let me know which because I haven't read it yet.

    Styling is normally considered subjective, but I've not read one article praising the Avalon's looks (most say "nice" or improved, somewhat sporty), but every article I've read remarks on the TL's good looks, calling it handsome, Alfa-Romeo-like, a fine Italian suit - never a lukewarm or derogatory comment. Personally, I like the Avalon's looks, but feel the TL's are better.

    P.S. that 5.7 second run to 60 by a TL was probably done by one with a manual tranny, and because Avalons don't come so equipped, you should use numbers produced only by automatic-equipped TL's (which can only benefit the Avalon).
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    I like the new Avalon look, however, the TL and Avalon are very differrent cars. The Avalon is like a big luxurey sedan, the TL is a sporty sedan, and handles much more nimble than an Avalon.
  • Hello Toyota and Acura experts,

    Can you speak to the way a TL drives vs an Avalon when it comes the the ever popular fly by wire gas pedal and transmission system? Does the TL have a fly by wire system? Have they perfected it enough that it does not drag/hesitate in the lower gears when starting from a stop or going from expressway to intracity driving? Does it upshift after raving a great deal on inclines? What big differences should I be looking for if I were to take th TL out for a drive?

    Thank you,
    avalon kitten
  • ed31cincyed31cincy Posts: 56
    I own an'04 TL, and I would never have known it was a '"fly by wire" throttle if I had not read about it. It is pretty sensitive at throttle tip-in, in other words there is just a hint of lurch as you press on the accelerator pedal. The transmission is awesome. It is so good that I seldom use the manual shift. It downshifts somewhat aggressively, say you are going downhill and then hit the brakes moderately, it goes to the next lower gear almost without any hesitation. I love that.

    You will find that the TL ride is much firmer and sportier than the Avalon. The Avalon is much more cushy and tends to float more over bumps. Steering on the TL is much more sensitive. The TL seats are firm and very supportive, which I like. I think there are a number of people who have posted here and said they would prefer the seats from the Avalon on long trips. Not me!
    Hope this is helpful.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    I agree 100%. Also, I have driven the TL on long trips, and it's great, and I am a past Camry owner and have test driven the extremely nice Avalon. I was stunned how roomy and nice the interior of the TL is. The TL is smoother and quieter than you might expect, not as quiete as the ultra quite Toyotas but pretty good.
  • sdajsdaj Posts: 6
    I have test driven both vehicles and agree the Avalon is a smoother ride than the TL. I like the Avalon Limited the best but have one concern. The salesman said the new Smart Key FOB transmits a continuous frequency 24 hrs a day. I have some concern putting that in my pocket next to my body all day long, 365 days a year. Does anyone else know about this and have any concern about it?">
  • brown3brown3 Posts: 26
    We're shopping for a new car, and the TL, Avalon, and ES330 all made our "short list." It's hard to eliminate "dogs" when they're all great cars, but I found in a TL/ES test drive comparison, I preferred the TL by about a 60/40 ratio. Goodby ES330. OK, now it's down to the TL and Avalon . . . but there seems to be less difference for the money between a TL and an Accord EX V-6 than there is - again, for the money - between an Avalon and a Camry XLE V-6. (OK, Ok, different wheelbases and such, I know, I know.) I'm sort of leaning towards the Avalon . . .
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi - a better place for that question is in our regular Avalon discussion instead of here in this comparo. You can do a search for fob and see others' posts and you can ask any questions you might still have about it there. Good luck!
  • lf05tllf05tl Posts: 16
    I have a TL and a toyota product. Both have excellent vehicles. As far as your choice goes, If you want a fun sporty car, get TL. The ride is good but sporty( firmer). If you want a floaty, cushey ride get the avalon.
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