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Breathe Easy: Int. & Exh. Headers + Mufflers and Pipes
Mr_Shiftright
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This is the place to discuss various exhaust systems on the marketplace, what works bestin which application, and for which cars. You are also invited to post your questions or share your expertise in this area.
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Have tried several web sights .. They have nothing for these trucks.
JARDINE discontinued the system they produced...
PLEASE HELP
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You will get a nice sound but don't expect a lot of power increase for the money you spend---if you use both the new Cat and the Flowmaster, you might pick up 3-5HP or something.
Coz I thought the engine needed some back pressure but without it , it has none.
Also if I leave it out will it affect the running of the Ecu and v tech system.
It's hard to know the effects unless you dyno both ways. Also you'll have to plug a couple sensors here and there, and of course you'll be totally illegal.
I think that unless you are doing something fairly radical on the OTHER end of the engine (intake, cams, etc.) that you'd be better off with a nice free-flow catalytic and a custom exhaust from the cat back. That should give you a little more HP (not much, maybe oh 4-6 HP) and a nice sound and you'll be legal and happy. Straight pipes with no muffler may indeed cost you HP and it'll make you daffy after a while listening to it on road trips.
Does it really make any difference?
Other than resale value.
We have a very tough inspections in Maine. You can add a performance muffler but, it must be quite at idle
The dealer has one with a lifetime warranty, but $500.00? See link.
https://www.1stvwparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=64_80&products_id=809&PHPSESSID=- - -
www.skipbarber.com
But also hang around here and we'll see if anyone has tried this. It's a pretty specific question on a new car, so you may not get a response right away.
Also, you can "google around".
No muffler "adds" horsepower. You'd probably get the most horsepower by throwing the muffler away. But a larger throttle body with a custom intake and a free-flow exhaust, that could give you some HP.
I'm not keen on these spacers. The machining has to be really good as does the fit...anything sloppy and again you are probably going to lose HP.
We get cars with straight pipes and no mufflers that come to race all the time and they 're extremely loud. Most autocross and motorsports clubs' rules say all cars must be muffled. They will fail a car at tech inspection if there 's no muffler on a car that's racing in one of the normal car classes and not a 'race' class. A car with no muffler and no CAT is rediculously loud in any car.. which is ok if it's a trailer queen or used for racing purposes only, but if it's a street driven car or a daily driver, forget about removing these.
Get a free flow CAT and the aftermarket exhaust you buy will come with a less restrictive muffler. Custom 2.5" pipes with no muffler and no CAT and all that are if you 're going to be racing the car or only drive it on the street to get to and from the racing events (like me) and be very easy on the throttle as to not attract cops, but even then it's pain in the neck.
Although the removal of these does add HP, there is no doubt about that, (and the back pressure stuff is a myth, to an extend. Today's exhausts & CATs are very restrictive), they are illegal in many states and if you have emissions inspection in your state or county, (or Scottland) you won't pass. In the county I live in they have no emissions inspection, but by law they have to put the car up on the lift and if they see that you have no catalytic converter on the car they immediately fail you.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
Well I like modifying things (anything really) and when it comes to cars all I really find is crap parts if you have a crap car.
I have a 1986 Hyundai Pony (yes this is where you laugh) Anyway, I'd like to toss a new muffler on it to give it a bit more power or at least a better look.
Currently there is a tiny stock muffler that's been on there for at least 5 years on the end of it is a 4 foot long pipe that hangs out the back of my car. Don't get me wrong, it's all well mounted and I think the muffler is still in one piece and the piles coming off the engin are in pretty good condition.
So 2 questions really:
1. Can I toss on any performace muffler or am I stuck with what is made for this car, and
2. How does the tip affect .. anything and could I just weld on anything that looks good?
I've studied a bit of what a muffler does and how it works and I have a couple ideas for tip modifications to displace and distroy some of the sound so the tip isn't a big deal but I'd like to get a muffler.
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little extra question: Is there a good forum or place where a newb like me can learn basics to modifying cars that don't have mod parts available? hehe just image a pony with a body kit?
Most exhausts don't make a noticeable difference unless you pay $800-1K for one. Then you 'll be able to tell the difference. $400 doesn't sound like a lot for an exhaust. Most decent exhausts are $495-600 and the good ones like I said before are big $$! You will not get the most out of your exhaust without a header, especially since you 're getting a cold air intake. The intake will increase HP and torque, but you 'll need a header to quickly dispose of that extra air you 're bringing in to the intake manifold. A header always makes more noticeable power than an exhaust. With an exhaust alone, many cars especially 4cyls, loose some low end torque but gain some at the top end of the RPM range. The header helps restore that and even add some in the mid range, especially a 4-2-1 design, and makes better use of your aftermarket exhausts to realize even bigger gains. Think of it as one big continuous pipe. What you 're doing is making the beginning bigger, leaving the middle the same, and again enlarging the end of it. Another fact is, that you will make more power with an Intake & header alone, than with an Intake & exhaust, unless your exhaust is extremely restrictive which I don't think it is on the Spec-V (isn't your exhaust bigger to begin with than the base Sentra's?).
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
Best thing is to keep this filter clean as you can. Whether it works or not no one can say unless you actually put it on a dyno before and after. Sometimes the HP stays the same, sometimes you can gain 4-5 HP on the upper end of the rpm scale, and sometimes if the thing isn't designed very well, you'll actually lose HP.
But have fun and I hope it works out for you.
On the exhaust side, you might look into brands like Ansa and Borla or even perhaps Flowmaster, but again, the age of this car will limit your choices. As usual, anything custom made for Mercedes will be expensive, so you might have to get creative and speak to a muffler shop. I use an Ansa on my 1980 Porsche and am quite pleased.
This is kind of a slow heavy car so I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish--perhaps better fuel mileage?
If you want an SL that is quicker and more agile but still looks like your car, you really want a 560SL. But I think trying to make your car faster would be very expensive and very frustrating in terms of results. Some engines are just not designed in that way.
I too am the owner of another 1986 Hyundai Pony, and I know all too well of the troubles you face when trying to go out and pimp your ride, so hold faith, because you are not alone!
In reply to your question, my 'expert' opinion would to be go ahead and giv'r. A lot of mufflers are universal fit, and built only in korea and canada still counts as universal, i suppose. You might have a bit of work fitting it to the exhaust pipe, though, I think it's something disgustingly small like 1 1/4" or something. But im acutally planning on rigging up a performance muffler on my next trip into the city, so i can keep you posted on what happens here.
As to the tip, i dont think it makes too big of a difference, expecially on the Ponies. As long as you dont put something on meant for like drag cars that will give you no backpressure at all (although the rest of that 1 1/4 exhaust should give ample anyways) you should be fine.
But if you ever come across anything in your travels regarding getting a body kit on a pony i would love if you could send it my way - i want one so bad!
keep fighting the good fight, we're a small crowd out there - we should swap pics/tips sometime
List of things wrong with it:
1. Head gasket was "repaired" with some goo the previous owner put on it. It's needed replacing for the last 3 years.
2. The tires are bald to the point where I have to put air in one of them daily.
3. The shifter knob broke off my second week of driving it and replaced it with a shift knob that didn't fit right.
4. Windows have a plastic edge that pops up and scares the hell out of me when it's warm
5. Ball joint on the right is gone (that's the tire that needs air daily)
6. Gas gage only works when you slam on the breaks
7. Everything leaks. YOu name it there's a drip
8. Back left break blew a gasket and the break fluid ate away the breaks. Now I stop with pure force at times.
9. If you look under the hood at night with no lights you see little blue sparks everywhere... FUN! this was fixed by putting in new spark plugs and cables.
Okay getting to the point. The cars a piece of crap but it runs and it's sooo easy to tune up.
I'm doing what people told me to do. I'm buying a car on Saturday 2 days (I'm going crazy) I'm getting a car that I have loved since the first time I saw it. I test drove it last week and I fell even more in love. A 1992 Talon. Beautiful car.
I'm taking it to a garage for a full inspection so I can see where I need to put money in. I'm wondering if there are any points I should look at carefully.
So far the known issues with the talon are the timing belt (Should be replaced every 50,000 miles or less or you get hit with a $2000 job. Anything else I should know.
Last question: Anyone know a good forum specifically for this car? I want to do a lot of mods over the next few years on it and wouldn't mind a place to fall back on if I have questions. (The engine looks like a pain to work in compared to the pony, but after looking at the engine on pages for days and days, it doesn't look that bad.)
1.) http://www.stratmosphere.com/milltek_exhaust_for_vw.htm The one on there is of course the only one that fits the Golf IV.
2.) http://www.ghlmotorsports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=GHL&Category_C- ode=vwg_t_tb
I was looking at the 2.5 inch turbo back
3.) http://www.eurosportacc.com/exhaust.htm
The second on the page
4.) http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_list.asp?app=31|G4&type=5<ype=ns_euro
I do not know which system there would be best for my car.
Thanks ahead of time for all your help and guidance.
After 100k mi., you will have expensive repairs not like that older car you were talking about. You 'll have check engine lights come on, you 'll need a new tranny, new computer, electrical problems, etc. We 're talking big $$ to keep your Talon running. Good luck, you 'll need it.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
Has anyone else out there done this to a similar V-8 engine and if so, can you share what, if any, benefits you're seeing now?
If you bought an efficient and complete "cat-back" exhaust system with free-flow catalytic as well, you might get 3 or 4 horsepower and perhaps a teeny bit better mileage.
If mufflers could increase mileage 20%, manufacturers would have installed them years ago obviously.
A high-flow cat with cat back exhaust might give you something like 8-12HP total.
Also as you may know, removing your catalytic is totally illegal.
There are tons of things you can do to that engine. Time for some homework to plan your project!
Here's a book you might enjoy looking at. It's cheap from Amazon: It also lists other books you might find helpful.
Engine Tuning 5.0 Liter
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