Mystery car pix

texases

@andys120 - it's a great movie, a bit violent, but worth the watch in my opinion.

andys120

texases said:

Goodfellas?

Oh that one I've heard of. I'm old enough to remember when it was still Idlewild but I think it was JFK by the time that '65 Impala was made.

Just checked Wikipedia, It was named JFK Airport on Christmas Eve (Dec.24, 1963)

andys120

tjc78

it's a great movie,

Not Scarface violent...just a few scenes. One of the best mob movies ever made.

Lostwrench3

1960 Rambler. With no side trim it looks like the Deluxe 6.

magnette

Liked the view of the Trolley bus

They had them in London until the early 60's but that was long before I lived here. I do remember travelling on a double deck trolley bus in Cardiff just before they were all pensioned off in 1969 though.

There is a Trolley bus museum in north Lincolnshire - I went there to a car show once and it was great - I got to ride on several of the buses round a track where they had set up overhead wires including one of the old London ones and several others - most of our cities which had them used double deckers. I think I rode on one from Bradford and another from Glasgow.

Best of all from my post of view was they had one of the Cardiff ones in the sheds - although it was not a runner as it was among about twenty awaiting restoration.

magnette

Yes, Goodfellas is a great movie.

ab348 said:

imidazol97 said:

Interesting how the church changed its design...

More than the design. It was a church of one of the traditional North American religions back in the '70s but some years ago they vacated and now it is an Asian church of some sort. The sign out front is in a language I cannot read.

I used to live in a flat in Barking, Essex, where out of one window I could see a Sikh temple, a Baptist church and an Anglican one all within a few yards of each other.

All except the Anglicans (their church was quite old as I think Captain Cook got married there in the late 1700's) were in previously industrial buildings re-purposed for their respective congregations.

andys120

Lostwrench3 said:

1960 Rambler. With no side trim it looks like the Deluxe 6.

Yup, it's a 1960 Rambler, I didn't get the sub-model but it looks downscale.

andys120

Wow, what a feast. This was taken in Rome at the Piazza Venezia ca. 1970. There are a few non-Italian units visible including a VW Beetle about a quarter way down behind a commercial three whheler (Vespa?). I can also make out a Porsche 911 (it's smaller than the Thing!), see um?



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stickguy

white Mercedes sedan lower center. and front far left, front have of a white Volvo 140. And in the front far right, 2nd in next to a dark beetle, looks like an American car. Maybe a Ford Falcon?

texases

Is that a 911 behind the "Thing"?

fintail

What a menagerie, name a period Fiat or Alfa, it is probably there. MB is a W114/115, directly in front of it, a VW 181/Thing. I actually see 2x 911/912s - the silver looking one next to the thing, and a darker one in traffic moving away from the camera at far top right, a couple cars in front and to the right of a light colored van with a roof rack. Also just below the MB, a Citroen DS/ID. Falcon-looking car might be an Opel.

I see a couple BMC cars, a light colored ADO16 with roof rack kind of center slightly left, and at lower right, a light colored Austin A40 Farina. Both were built as Innocenti, IIRC.

magnette

There's an Austin A40 in the bottom right corner of the picture but that is certain to be one built by Innocenti under licence as they made thousands of them.
Also a Vauxhall Viva HA - the white car just above the rear of the canvas top truck above that A40
That commercial Vespa is a model called an Ape - not after the large monkey but the Italian for Bee - (Vespa is Wasp...)

I imagine about 80% Fiat in this shot but probably a higher percentage where the driver has their hand on the horn button...

magnette

I think that large car next to the dark VW isn't a Falcon but an Opel Kapitan EDIT Rekord

andys120

I notice quite a few Alfa Guilia TI Berlinas, one of my favorite Alfas of all time, some nice Alfa 105 coupes, another favorite. I don't see any of the Italian Iron you'd see at this time over here, such as Alfa or Fiat Spiders, I do see a couple of 124 sedans, not that many considering they were Fiat's most popular design worldwide (counting variants made under license).

ab348

The slant-back bus is an odd thing.

My neighbor up the street who used to run a Vespa dealership here and now does rebuild/repair of them out of his garage shop used to have one of those Vespa "trucks". It was more for attention/promotion than actually moving things.

magnette

Perhaps the sloping roof on the top deck of the bus was over the top of the staircase but even so it is odd.

texases

Who knew? There's an Ape US importer, with stock on hand:
https://www.piaggioapeusa.com/for-sale

fintail

I think the Ape has a hipster fanbase on this side of the pond, IIRC one of the American Pickers guys has a thing for them.

Back to ye olde island:

ab348

I see a Morris Marina Estate, something I forgot existed. The larger blue wagon nearby appears to be a Citroen CX Familiale. Peeking out over the roof of that is a BL Princess and of course a Beetle. I see an Austin 1800 in the next row over and what may be a Triumph Dolomite to its left.

andys120

fintail said:

I think the Ape has a hipster fanbase on this side of the pond, IIRC one of the American Pickers guys has a thing for them.

Back to ye olde island:

Cars were a lot more colorful then (late 70s), or is that a Brit thing?

stickguy

They were here too.

magnette

There is a beige Lada over the far side at the store end of the row with the Dolomite and the car between them is an Austin Maestro I think although it is partially obscured by the Trolley Park sign.
The blackcurrant coloured hatchback is a first generation Opel Astra.and the white car behind the sign is a Vauxhall Chevette or possibly the Opel equivalent ie a Kadett - they sold both Opel and Vauxhall as competing ranges for a time before the whole lot got badged as Vauxhalls in the UK

fintail

Finally, magnette got in early on one of these, and ab348 did well too, apparently a student of malaise British metal. Nobody picked off the "Onslow" Cortina next to the cool Citroen.

Some rear ends to ID:

stickguy

Volvo red wagon!

andys120

Brochure art>

stickguy

68 GTO. with Enduro bumpers.

texases

And a sailboat ready to hit the rocks if there's a breeze, given how it's moored...
ps - it's Endura. Bet that was an autocorrect...

texases

???:

ab348

Moskvitch 408, comrade.

texases

Nyet...but related...

texases

The picture label is a (small) hint...

texases

Last hint-it's a European-assembled knock-down of that..

fintail

On Dutch plates which is also only a minor hint, had to look that one up, unfamiliar with that venture. Couldn't have made very many.

texases

It's Belgian, a 1965 Scaldia 1400. Saw this post today, got me curious:
https://jalopnik.com/hey-did-you-know-belgian-assembled-soviet-gaz-24s-were-1841515291

andys120

andys120 said:

Brochure art>



Yup, it's a 1968 Goat with the new Endura plastic bumers, the first AFAIK to preview the current practice of blending bumpers into the bodywork. This was the third gen of the GTO
a full two sizes larger than the original 1964 version. I owned a 1970 convertible that looked much like the illustration

texases said:

And a sailboat ready to hit the rocks if there's a breeze, given how it's moored...
ps - it's Endura. Bet that was an autocorrect...

Ohyeh, no real sailor would ties up so near rocks.

ab348

texases said:

It's Belgian, a 1965 Scaldia 1400. Saw this post today, got me curious:
https://jalopnik.com/hey-did-you-know-belgian-assembled-soviet-gaz-24s-were-1841515291

It appears identical to the original Moskvitch:



Without any exterior badging or design changes it is a mug's game trying to tell them apart.

texases

Yep. After translating a German wiki, I think all they did was install the engine and tranny.

andys120

Vive la difference>

Lostwrench3

"Oh, Canada.........."

andys120

Lostwrench3 said:

"Oh, Canada.........."

The architecture and the fender script are the tells. Who's going to name the MY/Make/ Model?
AB848?

ab348

That's a Monarch Richelieu. A 1955 I believe.

The houses look like what I remember seeing in the Montreal area and also in Eastern Ontario. Brick with angelstone facing and wrought iron accent pieces.

andys120

That's right AB, the architecture looks very Montreal to me. The Monarch is actually nearly
identical to a '55 Mercury Monterey. FoMoco's branding strategy in CDN was confusing to me, in the USA they sold Fords, Mercuries and Lincolns. Did Canada have Fords, Meteors, Monarchs and Lincolns or were Lincolns not sold there? Did Edsel ever make it to the Great
White North?

imidazol97

ab348 said:

That's a Monarch Richelieu. A 1955 I believe .

Yes, 1955. I had to look it up to tell if it was 55 or 56. The 1956 models had the dagmars close together in the center of the front bumper.

andys120

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ab348

andys120 said:

That's right AB, the architecture looks very Montreal to me. The Monarch is actually nearly
identical to a '55 Mercury Monterey. FoMoco's branding strategy in CDN was confusing to me, in the USA they sold Fords, Mercuries and Lincolns. Did Canada have Fords, Meteors, Monarchs and Lincolns or were Lincolns not sold there? Did Edsel ever make it to the Great
White North?

From what I understand, Ford Canada concluded that Canada was too sparsely populated to have separate Ford and Lincoln-Mercury dealers giving full coverage from coast to coast. Smaller communities might have a Ford dealer, or a Mercury dealer, but not enough population to support both of them.

Now why they just didn't have Ford-Mercury-Lincoln dealers I do not know. Maybe they did and I am just unaware of that. But the thinking at the time was that Ford dealers needed a Mercury-equivalent mid-price car to sell, and Mercury dealers needed a Ford-equivalent lower-priced car to sell. So the Monarch was created to give Ford dealers a Mercury clone, and the Canadian Meteor existed to give Mercury dealers a Ford equivalent. We also had Mercury trucks up here, as seen in this vintage newspaper photo, which blows up to a huge size with a right-click/view:



Edsel appeared shortly after I was born so I don't know for sure but I think there were Edsel dealers here, given that I remember seeing the cars from time to time when I was a kid. I have a memory of one being parked on the street next to my school back in the '60s and seeing the transmission pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub.

ab348

andys120 said:

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That's a great photo. You can tell the photographer put some thought into the angle and composition of it. And it shows off what must have been a cutting-edge building design for VW dealers back then, when a lot of them were still being sold out of second-tier facilities.

The "M" flag indicates Michigan I presume.

I have had to resort to remote hosting of any pics I want to post here, as none of my PCs, even the brand new one, will let me post a local pic.

fintail

I was thinking the same thing re: houses - Montreal, from my limited experience that style was very popular in that area.

My grandma's time capsule-ish mid-century rambler has a ton of that stone veneer, inside and out.

ab348 said:

That's a Monarch Richelieu. A 1955 I believe.

The houses look like what I remember seeing in the Montreal area and also in Eastern Ontario. Brick with angelstone facing and wrought iron accent pieces.

fintail

Ooh a 105E Anglia, would have been a new car when that pic was taken. I see a Bedford van in the middle of the lineup, there's a hen's tooth. Further back I think I see an Austin A50/Cambridge and a Morris Oxford.

ab348 said:

Edsel appeared shortly after I was born so I don't know for sure but I think there were Edsel dealers here, given that I remember seeing the cars from time to time when I was a kid. I have a memory of one being parked on the street next to my school back in the '60s and seeing the transmission pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub.

fintail

Nice 64 Buick Sportwagon next to a two tone VW van. Cool Falcon Squire too.

At far left next to a wide whitewalled Beetle is a larger (but not large) sedan looking car, Humber Super Snipe perhaps?

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