Mystery car pix

ab348

That's a 1953 Chrysler New Yorker Deluxe convertible, from back when "Detroit iron" really meant something, a big, substantial car. Hard to imagine how different that model would be in just 4 model years time. Unfortunately that year still used the antiquated "Fluid Drive" transmission, as the 2-speed Power-Flite did not arrive until 1954 and the 3-speed Torque-Flite in 1956.

andys120

You're exactly right AB. For some reason I've always had a real liking for the '53-'54 MoPars
and that beauty is the top-of-the line IIRC.

They had a European look about them with their graceful non-gimmicky styling, enhanced by the optional Kelsey-Hayes or Dayton wire wheels (unfortunately those were troublesome.)

andys120

R click to enlarge>

ab348

The Bugeye Sprite surely passed the Petroleum Dealers Safety Check regimen since it was equipped with not only bumper guards but a sturdy grille guard as well!! Seat belts? What are those?

fintail

1959, perhaps. There's another roadster in the background (MGTD perhaps) right, with a prewar-looking convertible beside it.

tmart

59 Ford wagon and Chevy are behind the Sprite, so 1959 probably correct.

omarman

Analysis Spock?

andys120

Three crew cuts and plastic "cat's eye" sunglasses. It doesn't get more 1959 than that!

sda

ab348 said:

That's a 1953 Chrysler New Yorker Deluxe convertible, from back when "Detroit iron" really meant something, a big, substantial car. Hard to imagine how different that model would be in just 4 model years time. Unfortunately that year still used the antiquated "Fluid Drive" transmission, as the 2-speed Power-Flite did not arrive until 1954 and the 3-speed Torque-Flite in 1956.

Chrysler hit a home run with the Torque-Flite.

stickguy

andys120

I think we're going to need a little hint w that one. It looks vaguely like a prototype sports racer but the wheels/tires look street. I follow sports proto/endurance racing and I just don't recognize it. Clues?

ab348

Michaell

ab348 said:

Suzuki, er, somethingorother.

I know it was rebadged as a Chevrolet in Canada, and had a traverse 6-cyl engine in it.

stickguy

Verona?

stickguy

that sports car is production made street car. Italian. 1st road car by a company that usually makes tubs, etc. for race cars. Lots of carbon fiber in that baby.

andys120

stickguy said:

that sports car is production made street car. Italian. 1st road car by a company that usually makes tubs, etc. for race cars. Lots of carbon fiber in that baby.

Well Lamborghini made tractors, ISO made refrigerators, so why not?

fintail

Suzuki Verona aka Daewoo Magnus aka Chevrolet Epica, another pointless MBA-driven rebadge that unlike some others didn't fool the market.

ab348

Fin and Stick are correct. Without the badging it could pass for Anycar.

Michaell

ab348 said:

Fin and Stick are correct. Without the badging it could pass for Anycar.

No, that was the Kia Optima.

fintail

https://youtu.be/Zsfd_h4G1js

https://youtu.be/dPXVhpA2loI

https://youtu.be/4GL1T-JVpgQ

stickguy

well, not getting much action on that sports car. It is a Dallara Stradale.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a19579363/dallara-stradale-first-drive-review/

Michaell

fintail said:

https://youtu.be/Zsfd_h4G1js

https://youtu.be/dPXVhpA2loI

https://youtu.be/4GL1T-JVpgQ

Thanks! I figured someone would find and post this!

stickguy

Never saw those bits. Where did that come from?

tmart

I’ve not seen them before either! They’re really good.

andys120

omarman

I'll guess it's the after cease-and-desist order Mahindra Roxor.
So now it looks a lot less like an old Jeep CJ...but now looks a little like an old Land Cruiser! But not really in a good way.

andys120

I think the new grille has a FJ40 resemblance>

andys120

Festival of fins!>

fintail

New 63s?

I'll pick off the 59 flat top at left, I like that bodystyle.

ab348

Cadillac limo on the lower level.

andys120

fintail said:

New 63s?

I'll pick off the 59 flat top at left, I like that bodystyle.

Bingo on the '59 flattop but from the side there's very little difference between the '63 and '64. At TOM they're saying '63 so I guess you're right.

texases

Dagmars’ last gasp...

andys120

Lostwrench3

Kaiser! Four verticals on the front bumper = 1948.

andys120

You are right, it's a 48 Kaiser, I saw one recently and noticed something I hadn't noticed before. Our first family car was a 1947 Frazer, the big borther of the more well-known Kaiser. What I saw for the first time was that Kaisers and Frazers were among the more stylish of the immediate postwar era. They were a styling evolution ahead of the lower end GMs, Fords, Mercurys and especially MoPars which were more upright and had the same basic styling as on Pearl Harbor day.

Allow me to illustrate:

'47 Ford

Lostwrench3 said:

Kaiser! Four verticals on the front bumper = 1948.

1947 Chrysler



1947 Frazer



Am I right?

ab348

For sure. They did well at first IIRC but were more expensive than the low-priced 3, so once those guys updated their bodies for '49, K-F became less competitive. I think their engines also were considered somewhat second-rate. K-F also could not produce the variety of different body styles the competitors offered. Too bad because I quite liked some of their fancier models.

andys120

You're right. Our next family car was a '53 Pontiac.

Lostwrench3

Two things........
That '47 Ford is a '47.5. Unlike the first '47s to come off the line, it has had its parking lights moved to below the headlights and it has a nose badge displaying whether the engine is a 6 or 8.
As to the Frazer, it's not a '47. Ok, pop quiz, which year(s) is it?

andys120

Lostwrench3 said:

Two things........
That '47 Ford is a '47.5. Unlike the first '47s to come off the line, it has had its parking lights moved to below the headlights and it has a nose badge displaying whether the engine is a 6 or 8.
As to the Frazer, it's not a '47. Ok, pop quiz, which year(s) is it?

1948? Almost exactly the same as the 47s

omarman

Lostwrench3 said:

Two things........
That '47 Ford is a '47.5. Unlike the first '47s to come off the line, it has had its parking lights moved to below the headlights and it has a nose badge displaying whether the engine is a 6 or 8.
As to the Frazer, it's not a '47. Ok, pop quiz, which year(s) is it?

The front plate is marked 1949 so I'll guess 1949.

Lostwrench3

That Frazer is a 1949/1950. The production of the 1949 ended in February 1950! Then began the production of the 1951 later in February 1950. One can easily identify the 1951 with its having that "interesting" chrome nose.

andys120

stickguy

pretty car. 1973 3.0CSI?

kyfdx

I can't get the year from that view.

I'm loving those wheels, though.

Either a 2800 or 3.0 CS

andys120

stickguy said:

pretty car. 1973 3.0CSI?

It's not a CSi, it's the twin carb version sold as a 1973 BMW 3.0CS

kyfdx said:

I can't get the year from that view.

I'm loving those wheels, though.

Either a 2800 or 3.0 CS

It's tricky to pinpoint the years on these, the real Bimmerheads know which versions were made when or just lump them together under the type designator E9(1968-75).

I think the wheels are Italian-made Cromodora alloys which came with most US market E9s
Smaller versions were optional on Fiat 124 Sports.

andys120

stickguy

looks like it needs to see an orthodontist.

kyfdx

andys120 said:

stickguy said:

pretty car. 1973 3.0CSI?

It's not a CSi, it's the twin carb version sold as a 1973 BMW 3.0CS

kyfdx said:

I can't get the year from that view.

I'm loving those wheels, though.

Either a 2800 or 3.0 CS

It's tricky to pinpoint the years on these, the real Bimmerheads know which versions were made when or just lump them together under the type designator E9(1968-75).

I think the wheels are Italian-made Cromodora alloys which came with most US market E9s
Smaller versions were optional on Fiat 124 Sports.

I always thought my '67 2000CS was an E9, as well.. maybe, not?

andys120

I always thought my '67 2000CS was an E9, as well.. maybe, not?

'67 would've been the early part of the type/number scheme. There are obvious similarities but I imagine they had to significantly revise the chassis to accomodate the longer six cyl. motors

texases

Per wiki:

"The BMW New Class coupé range, which comprised the BMW 2000 C and BMW 2000 CS, was a coupé body style built by Karmann for BMW from the summer of 1965[1](p141)[2](pp66–67) to 1969. In 1965, BMW ended production of their Bertone-bodied 3200 CS coupé, the last of their line of V8 powered luxury cars from the 1950s. BMW decided to continue with a coachbuilt coupé. Based on the New Class platform, the 2000 C and 2000 CS introduced the 2.0 L version of the M10 4-cylinder engine and replaced the 3200 CS as BMW's flagship model in 1965.[2](p66). The New Class coupes were replaced by the E9 coupés, which were based on a stretched 2000CS chassis and use a 6-cylinder engine."