Mystery car pix

andys120

Ferrari 330 GT (1964-65 I guess) with Enzo himself

Yep, that's pretty much it, it was variously known as the 330GT 2+2 or the 330GTE.
For all that they we were EF's personal rides they were and are low on the pecking order of desireability due to having a back seat and the Quad headlights on the Series1 shown.

Personally I think they are terrific, I've always been a fan of the 250 and 330 2+2s and I prefer the quad headlight version. Interestingly the next Quad headlight Ferrari would not come along for several years, the 1969 365GTB Daytona (which hid the Quads under glass or flip ups).

ateixeira

Must be the brick-like aerodynamics.

I think a 1.4l is a bit small, but a 2.4l is probably overkill. The 1.7l would have been fine.

Or, like I suggested, a small turbo diesel.

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bumpy

Nissan Cube. Not sure why it has an Edmunds tag on the back, since we're not getting that one.

texases

As was mentioned above, Edmunds did a comparison test with an xB:
Cube xB comp

1.4 l in the Cube, slowwwwww

ateixeira

Not only slow, but inefficient as well. Just 22.7mpg, worse than the 2.4l hot rod Scion xB got.

Hot rod in the sense that all things are relative, and the Scion ran circles (squares) around the Cube.

bumpy

The curb weight is just over 2500 pounds (about the same as the xD, which is what it really should have been compared to), and the Edmunds staff is a bunch of lead-footed hoons. 22.7 mpg is probably the worst possible figure the Cube can achieve.

ateixeira

True, but they were lead footers behind the wheel of the xB, too, and it still did better.

I just think that for the major sacrifice you make (half the power) you should at least get a little more economy in return.

bumpy

The new xB is for all practical purposes a tC wagon, so it's a barge just like the tC.

fintail

I don't mind those larger ones either, they are very 60s Euro chic. But for that era, my choice has always been the 250GT Berlinetta Lusso - something about that style makes it pretty much perfect in my eyes.

andys120

I totally agree, IMO the 250 GT Lusso is the most beautiful Ferrari of all time. I have felt that way since I first saw one in 1964.

Problem is everyone knows it so it costs two or three times what a 330 2+2 would go for.

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andre1969

I just think that for the major sacrifice you make (half the power) you should at least get a little more economy in return.

Still, it's all about balance. I imagine a 2.4 in an xB is barely loafing along. It's probably barely straining, at partial throttle, in situations where you'd have to rev the snot out of the Cube to get the same power.

However, I think it's pretty sad that a 2.4 is EPA rated 21/31 in a Camry, 21/29 in a tC, yet only 22/28 in the xB. Now, the Camry uses a 5-speed automatic while the others have a 4-speed, but I dunno if that would really make much difference. IIRC, when the Camry 4-cyl made the jump from 4-speed to 5-speed automatic, there was no change in the EPA numbers.

andre1969

1960 DeSoto Diplomat. Essentially a 1960 Dodge Dart with a chrome outlining suggesting the 1955-57 sweepspear 2-toning that real DeSotos used to have.

This was an export model that was sold just about everywhere BUT the United States. I think the name DeSoto had more brand equity in foreign markets, especially Europe, than Plymouth, Dodge, or Chrysler would have. However, the real DeSotos had always been too big and too impractical for export markets, so Chrysler would rebadge Plymouths as DeSotos, through 1959, and then for 1960 used a Dodge Dart as the basis.

Still, while small for a DeSoto-branded car, they weren't small cars. Something like 79" wide, 210" long, and riding a 118" wheelbase.

andre1969

Must be the brick-like aerodynamics.

Yeah, but aerodynamics mean nothing at lower speeds, and even at the speed the EPA calculates its highway cycle, are probably pretty nominal. Besides, while the xB might have a high drag coefficient, I wonder how it would compare to the Camry in terms of total frontal area?

I wonder how the Corolla's 1.8 would do in something like that? It's rated at 28/37 with a 5-speed, 26/35 with the automatic.

texases

The other xB issue is weight - its over 3000 lb, IIRC, and it's not a small car any more. More like a PT Cruiser or Chevy HHR.

stickguy

at least with the stick, the tC was geared much shorter. So, buzzier on the highway, and worse gas mileage.

andre1969

The other xB issue is weight - its over 3000 lb, IIRC, and it's not a small car any more. More like a PT Cruiser or Chevy HHR.

Wow, I didn't realize it porked up that bad. For some reason I was thinking it was still around 2500 lb! yeah, in that case, 22/28 doesn't seem so bad out of a 2.4. Especially when the PT Cruiser is only 19/24 with the automatic, and the HHR, with the 2.2/automatic, comes in at 22/30.

andys120

That's exactly right Andre. No they weren't small but it's hard to imagine a Frenchman or Austrian driving one around on the narrow roads they have there. I 'spect most were sold to expat Americans, servicemen, business men and the like.

My FIL was based on the Loire Valley and found the family Olds rather unhandy for local driving so they bought a Fiat 1200 Berlina and saved the '58 Olds for long drives.

andys120

From In Cold Blood (1967)>

hudsonthedog

From left to right:

Chevrolet, (can't make out any of the other parked cars), Pontiac(?), Valiant, Chevy truck(?), Chevrolet, Ford truck

andys120

Not bad, anyone wanna try getting the model years. I think your Valiant is a full sized
Plymouth ca. 1962 and the box truck is IDed on IMCDB as Ford F-500.

bumpy

The Ford truck is a 1960, judging by the pigsnout hood.

magnette

I'll take a guess;
1953 Chevrolet
1950 Pontiac
1965 Valiant
1959 Chevrolet
no idea on the trucks...

andys120

Pretty good for guesses, Magnette. Left to right they are:

1953-54 (it's hard to tell which)Chevrolet, 1950-52 Pontiac, again it's impossible to be exact. 1964-66 Valiant (I was wrong before about it being a full-sized Plymouth)
1959 Chevy I thought this might be a '60 Pontiac but I enlarged the pic enough to make the '59 Chevy eyebrows visible.

Again the Box truck is a Ford (F500) AFAIK and the pickup in the rear could be anything as no details are discernible.

andys120

karsick

Chrysler 300. (1970?)

Makes the new 300C look relatively tidy-sized. :surprise:

andys120

Yep,exactly.

imidazol97

The Chevy at left is a '53 because of the three teeth on the grill instead of 5 and the found parking lights embedded in the grill area whereas the '54's parking lights are outside at the edge of the car and are very oblate ovals.

andys120

hudsonthedog

1958 or 1959 Riley 2.6

bumpy

andys120

Yep, it's a Riley 2-6.

andys120

It's a Honda V6, beyond that I couldn't say but I wonder what that is in back of the engine on the side nearest us, just in front of the battery. :confuse:

subearu

You can read the T U R B O lettering on the top cover on the motor. Not familiar enough with the Honda/Acura motors, but would guess this motor was for an Acura.

-Brian

karsick

At first I thought it was a V6 Honda engine, but.....

I'm guessing it's from a Japanese-market 3-cyl Honda City Turbo??? :confuse: Brake booster on the "wrong" side of engine bay betrays the RHD.

I recall reading a Csaba Csere article in C/D (early 80's) about this car, and recall it coming equipped with a mini-motorbike in the hatch for REALLY heavy Tokyo traffic :P

karsick

Ooops....

I take back my Honda City guess

After some research, I found out that there was a JDM-only 1st-gen Honda Legend turbo in 1990 (last year for Gen 1).

Cool find!

(The red plug wires going to the rear head should have tipped me off that this wasn't a 3cyl )

andys120

After some research, I found out that there was a JDM-only 1st-gen Honda Legend turbo in 1990 (last year for Gen 1

I thought that might be Turbo plumbing but I couldn't think of any Honda Turbos. :sick:

andys120

tomica

Daihatsu Compagno.

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stickguy

that is the easy part.

Looks to be a late 850 R. 1997?

andys120

Yep, it's the Volvo 850R Turbo wagon. Cool car IMO.

fintail

I remember those 'titanium' wheels

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andys120

...going... Gone! It's a Lanchester LD10 (1946-51).

andre1969

Yeah, I was about to say, post WHAT war? Civil War? War of 1812? :P

andys120

andys120

Last call for 15543.....going...

andys120

Yep, it's a '79 Park Avenue, that one has a 350.