Mystery car pix

jlbl

Hardly can I understand what happens in that circus since recently. Is it as if all of them would together kill the chicken of the golden eggs.

If only, one can tell everyone is speaking about F1 now: bad publicity still is big publicity, or whatever the saying goes. Though FIA and FOCA have managed in the past to stop fights before disaster, may be this time they cannot do it.

Regards,
Jose

stephen987

Jose, I don't quite follow you. . .

lostwrench1

? :confuse: ?

stever

Jose, I think you thought you were posting over in Motorsports.

steve_, "Motorsports" #197, 16 May 2009 2:29 pm

jlbl

Yeah I thought I had post in Motorsports and here is the result.

May be the mess has been as a consequence of having a lot of tabs opened in the same Firefox bar whilst doing some additional work in the computer. :sick:

My apologies to all I puzzled.

Regards,
Jose

stever

I thought about moving your post but this way I get to plug the Motorsports discussion.

andys120

Anybody got a clue on #21406? Going..going...

stephen987

European, two door sedan, very big. Not Bristol or BMW. Too conservative to be Delahaye.

magnette

This looks like a Delage - I think the post-war version was the D8. At first I thought it was a Talbot-Lago, but the radiator doesn't look right.

andys120

Yep, it's a Delage D-6 3 Litre (1946-53) body by Guillore.

andys120

magnette

Well - it's a Ferrari, somewhat distorted by the lens here, but I would imagine circa 1952/4. Coachwork - Touring?. Possibly a 340, by that date.... I think it might be too late for a 212 Inter.

andys120

You're pretty close, it's a 1949 Ferrari 166 Inter, I'm not sure of the Carrozzeria, could be Touring or possibly Vignale, who did a lot of early Ferraris.

andys120

stephen987

Base model VW Santana, for South Africa and/or Australian market?

michaellno

Right car, wrong market.

It's probably Chinese in origin, as there was an article I saw somewhere that said the Santana was going out of production soon, and that the Santana was the car that bootstrapped the auto industry in China.

magnette

We had the Santana here in Britain,too. This one appears to be RHD - so not Chinese - hence this could be the UK spec version.

stephen987

Looks poverty-spec--13 inch wheels?

andys120

Yep, it's a Volkswagen Santana, the same car known in No. America as the Quantum, in parts of Europe as the Passat (B2) and in Mexico as the Corsar.

This model originated in Brazil as the Santana and went on to become the most popular model in China with over 3 million made in 30 years of production. Shanghai Volkswagen Automotive has announced that production will cease in 2012.

No doubt the poverty spec. 13" were seen on most models outside of North America. The caption didn't give the origin of the RHD car shown.

andys120

magnette

It was sold here as the Passat as well. The Santana was just the saloon version for a couple of years, and I think then it was re-branded as the Passat, but the hatchback and some estate versions were already Passats.

stephen987

Acura Legend (series 2) coupe.

andys120

Acura Legend (series 2) coupe

Yep, a 1995.

andys120

How many can you identify?>

stephen987

Two.

Oh, you want me to go ahead? OK, pink: 1955 Chevy Bel Air Nomad. Green: 1958 Chevy Impala convertible.

andre1969

I'm going out on a limb and say the brighter blue car is a 1955 Caddy, while the older one around a 1949. As for the beige 4-door in the background, I'd guess a 1949 Olds 98?

fezo

I was thinking a 54 Caddy. The one down the end looks like an old Mercedes Adenauer. Mid 59s. Ahs the right windows and trunk.

fezo

I take it back on the Mercedes. The rear window is wrong - I think.

berri

Maybe a 47 Caddy?

fezo

The tail lights are a challenge to me. That's where I first got the idea of the Mercedes. I remember having to replace just those lights when they faded to white and the car (a 54) flunked inspection.

I liked having that very different car but at the time it was just a good looking cheap car. My dad traded a $250 dishwasher for it.

andys120

Maybe a 47 Caddy?

It could be a '46 or a '47 but that's what Caddy T/ls looked like immediately before the tailfins emerged ('48)

andys120

The Caddy with the smaller fins and the segmented rear window could be any year from 1950 to '53.

The larger fins belong to a '55 or '56 Cad.

andys120

stephen987

Vanden Plas Princess, I'm guessing the 3.0 rather than the R.

andys120

Close, it's a Vanden Plas Princess 4 Litre R (ca. 1964-68) , supposedly equipped w a Rolls-Royce 6 cylinder engine.

stephen987

Andy, it's my understanding that the R models were in fact powered by Rolls-Royce. But I'm not sure which RR engine it would've been. The last RR car with an inline six would've been the Silver Cloud I/Bentley S1, which ceased production in favor of the aluminum V8-powered S2/Cloud II ca. 1959. And even that six was well beyond 4.0 liters--I believe the S1/Cloud I engine was a 4.9. Lovely engine, by the way.

Not sure if the Princess R was powered by some derivative of that same engine, or by some other engine--perhaps a non-RR design built by RR specifically for the VdP.

magnette

Rolls-Royce didn't just make car and aero engines. Apart from anything else they were and are makers of various heavy generator engines, and truck engines - mostly for specialist applications like the military, or fire engines etc.
This engine is a derivative of a unit developed originally for a military 4x4 in the early 50's for the British Army - the Austin Champ. This was a heavy jeep type vehicle and was developed by a committee - a bit like the camel being the horse designed by a committee... They made thousands of the Champ, and then the Army discovered the thing was too heavy, too slow, too complex etc. I think every military project ever has come in a zillion times over budget since the mk 1 bow and arrow, but basically the Champ was not a success.
What made it worse was that down the road at Rover, half the rest of the world's armies were buying what our chaps should have had from the start - the Land-Rover, which was of course a properly sorted out and reliable beast....
Anyway, the engine was developed for that project and I think it saw service in various specialist vans etc, before a deal to stick it in the Austin/Vanden Plas 3 litre chassis, and hence the V-P 4litre R model. Apparently it was a good engine of sorts although very thirsty. (But then so was the Austin 3 litre it replaced)

fintail

I know all all about the Kettenkrad and I spot the fintail, but what's the weird red thing with the trunk lip?

andys120

for someone to figure out what Fin's mystery car is (it could take a while), I submit this for your perusal>

magnette

At first glance a Fiat Punto, but the Belgrade plate and the Z on the badge give the game away. It's a Zastava 10, and presumably the Turbo version...Production transferred from Italy to Serbiaat the beginning of 2007, I believe.

( Now, back to Fintails weird red car)

andys120

Most of us wouldn;t know a Fiat Punto if we saw one, let alone a Belgrade plate but yest it is a Zastava 10 turbo (diesel?).

andys120

stephen987

I think that's an Isuzu Bellet 1500, mid-late 1960s. Note the Hoffmeister kink in the rear window line.

stever

Fintail was talking about car greenhouses somewhere around here and got me looking up the Hofmeister kink, the PG line and the Saab hockey stick.

andys120

Nope that is not an Isuzu Bellett, which had no "Kink" in it's 1960s iteration.

Isuzu Bellett 1963-73

stickguy

my first inkling ws a Mazda Comos. Don't really think that is it, but there is some resemblance fro the rear.

fintail

It's a Mazda of some kind I am certain. A very clean European looking car...so much nice design came out of the 60s.

fintail

I have no clue about the red car, either. I saw it in that pic and couldn't figure out what it was.

stephen987

It's not a Cosmo, but it might very well be a Mazda Luce.

andys120

1967 Mazda Luce is correct!