Mystery car pix

andys120

Yup, it's a 1964 Fiat Millicento (1100D)

magnette

Your picture is too big so it's lost the "reply" button...

The black Saloon / sedan is a British Ford Consul - the first series from 1951 - 56. There appears to be a decal or strip on the leading edge of the bonnet / hood that is non-original.

magnette

The blue pick-up is a Wartburg - probably a 311, or a close relative. I don't know if Wartburg made a pick-up. but this one looks like a conversion, to me...

magnette

No prizes for guessing its a BMC Farina, but which model (and what about the others in the background?)

Mr_Shiftright

Is it some kind of Armstrong-Siddeley?

fintail

I think that's the Austin A60 or Morris Oxford variant, but I could be wrong. I am clueless about the background cars.

I call those things "British fintails", but they predate the fintail. I read somewhere that MB actually had the Italians submit proposals for the car, then rejected them and made their own very similar design, as that somewhat sharp and finned design was seen as very elegant then.

Mr_Shiftright

MG Magnette had fins, too.

fintail

Yeah, there was a whole range of cars based on that basic design, everything from Austins to Rileys to MGs to Wolseleys to VandenPlas. I don't mind those cars, they are decent looking in most variants.

An even cooler period British car was this wacky thing:

andys120

That's gotta be a Vauxhall, perhaps a Cresta or Velox ca. '58 or '59. It looks like an imitation Buick.

Mr_Shiftright

Not an attractive car, but a very cool name:

(your photo reminded me of this car)

No CHEATING on the URL peek :mad:

boomchek

Kaiser Manhattan I believe.

fintail

Yeah it's a Cresta...those Vauxhalls were probably the best imitation American cars.

fintail

I think the vinyl top and fancy wheels makes that a Kaiser Dragon...IIRC there were supercharged models of that car too. Weird looking car, but not boring anyway.

Mr_Shiftright

Nope not a Manhattan. That's real gold plating by the way.

Mr_Shiftright

Yes a DRAGON! This was the most expensive car Kaiser made---it cost more than a Series 62 Cadillac!!

Rather looks like that weird Vauxhall doesn't it?

fintail

Those had a alligator skin interior or something bizarre like that too, I want to say...and I bet the window's peak windshield wasn't a cheap replacement.

pitter

My apologies for the oversize photos. I shall carefully read and follow image posting instructions before making additional posts.

pitter

I think the Romanian company ARO produced "ARO Carpatis" that were licenced or something from GAZ. Colombia has a lot of these and later Carpati models.

Mr_Shiftright

If you want to "jump over" a huge picture and can't see a reply button, scroll to the top, to the little box that says "go to message #" and type in the number AFTER the one with the big picture. That'll get you through.

pitter

Could well be a conversion. Nothing uncommon about that hereabouts. I knew it was a Wartburg but thank you for the additional identification details.

pepin46

A Vauxhall at first sight and a Vauxhall after noticing the English flag.

61-62?

JV

magnette

The main car is a Morris Oxford Mark V so 1959/61 - the mark VI which succeeded it had a larger engine (1622cc instead of 1489cc) and different trim.(Also a wider track).

The green car is a Riley 4/72 - the 4/68 is virtually identical, again the smaller engine etc, but there are differences with the trim, and the car to the left, almost obscured by the flag, is an Austin - the A60 Cambridge, not the earlier A55. The dark car in the middle, almost obscured by the subject car's roof, is either a Wolseley - inwhich case it would be a 16/60. as the earlier 15/60 had different wings, or it is a Morris Oxford VI

andys120

fintail

I'd have no idea how to tell those apart. Must be the Brit equivalent of the subtle nuances of period American cars.

The closest I have to a Farina is this:

tmart

Andy, what was the non standard option? :confuse:

berri

66 Chrysler?

bhill2

f you want to "jump over" a huge picture and can't see a reply button, scroll to the top, to the little box that says "go to message #" and type in the number AFTER the one with the big picture. That'll get you through.

Unfortunately, that only works if there are no oversized pictures in the set of 20 posts that it then brings up. If there are any such pictures anywhere in the set of 20 messages, it screws up all 20 of them.

andys120

Yup, it's a 1966 Chrysler New Yorker.

andys120

stephen987

Alfa Romeo Junior Zagato, early '70s?

andys120

Alfa Romeo Junior Zagato, early '70s?

Correctamundo!

tmart

link title

andys120

Very nice, brings back memories!

andys120

vcheng

Jaguar E-type Coupe, likely late sixties, but I cannot see the headlights clear enough to tell whether it is an early seventies car.

qbrozen

I believe '71 (series III) started with the rubber bumper warts. That and those large side indicators means its a Series II ('69- early '71).

what I'm trying to decide is if its a 2+2 or not.

Mr_Shiftright

Hard to tell with such a small photo. The 2+2 is a bit taller and in "real life" is decidedly less attractive than the coupe (and less valuable). The 2+2 automatic version is considered the "dog" of the E-Types that very few people want. I encourage people to use them as donors for coupe restorations if they are rough cars.

ignitepassion

I'd go with Jaguar E type coupe ('61-'74)s too..

Mr_Shiftright

I'd love to have one, but an E-Type is one of the most challenging restorations one could take on, as far as postwar British cars go. This is one car you don't really want to have to restore if you can help it. There's nothing easy on it.

vcheng

Especially the V-12 cars! Who would design an engine with 20 (twenty) hoses for the cooling system? That is just asking for trouble isn't it?

And it's not just the engine. Peter Egan had an editorial years ago in Road&Track magazine about servicing the rear inboard disc brakes on an E-type that makes for very good reading (warning?)

Mr_Shiftright

How about cooling the fuel with the AC system? Oh wait, that was the XJ6 I think.

vcheng

I think you are correct. The most beautiful of the XJs was the rare two door XJ12C, but it combined the worst engineering of both platforms with the finest styling (at least to my eye).

Picture at : http://www.jaguar-xj8.com/xj12c_1976_white_profile.jpg

andys120

what I'm trying to decide is if its a 2+2 or not

It's interesting that what is so apparent when you actually see one is a bit obscure in a photograph but the large side window is the giveaway that it is in fact the 2+2 version.

To be more specific it's a '71 Jaguar E-Type 2+2 Series II/V12

Mr_Shiftright

One needs to see it in person to get an idea of the awkwardness of it---the roof height and the windshield rake combine to make it fairly homely---in comparison to an earlier coupe I mean. Were there nothing earlier in terms of a more "pure" design, we might regard it more highly today.

coolrunning

My very first sports car experience was to drive this "new" Jaguar from Las Cruces, New Mexico to El Paso, Texas on Interstate 10 when I was 18 years old. The car was 3 years old, low mileage, and I was trusted to deliver it to the owner after some precision tuneup work (multiple carburetor linkage synchronization and adjustments) had been made at a specialty shop. This car was a racer with a license plate! It handled extremely well at high speed primarily due to its fabulous suspension and long wheelbase. There was something very addictive about the sound of the V12 as it peaked with each gear shift. It had strong acceleration in top gear because of teh substantial torque produced by that incredible V12. This was no daily driver, though. It was an exotic toy that could be played with on the weekends. If you tried to use it like a Chevy or Ford, you had to learn everything about routine tweaks until you became more like the owner/driver /mechanic type of guy this car required. Still, the V12 ran strong even when it was sick and only running on 8 or 9 cyclinders! Ahhh, but when it came alive on all 12 all you wanted to do is let it fly! The fastest I can remember seeing on the speedometer as I played with the Jag was 145 mph before I lost my nerve and backed off. It was pulling hard up until then, and I know it had much more in reserve. What a beauty it was too. Red with a black leather interior, chrome wire wheels and exhaust pipes, red stipe tires, and that fabulous hood/fender design hinged on the front that tilted forward revealing that voracious V12. I couldn't afford one then, and I can't afford one now... life just isn't fair.

andre1969

Did they ever make those E-types in a closed coupe other than the 2+2? I've only seen the convertible version and the 2+2.

andys120

Did they ever make those E-types in a closed coupe other than the 2+2?

Oh boy did they ever, a buddy of mine owned a '67 4.2 coupe (S I) that looked just like this (the most enjoyable car I ever drove.>



He traded it for a green 2-seater V12 (S II) coupe but it was so long ago that I I've forgotten if had the small 2+2 back seat but I don't think it did.

Mr_Shiftright

Sure....most were coupes, not 2+2s. The six-cylinder 2+2s have a longer wheelbase, which kind of ruins the E's lines IMO. Oddly enough, the V-12s have a longer wheelbase but due to all the other design changes they look more pleasing to the eye IMO.

The V-12 E-Type was a heavier car and hence actually slower than the earlier cars 0-60 and about the same top speed. Probably 145 mph was all it was capable of doing. These are more touring cars than real "sports cars" because of the weight. It's not easy to fling them around, but they are great straight-line cruisers for American roads (which was the whole idea of building them). You'll see a lot more automatic V12s, since the marketing was to that type of driver. They are, of course, pretty much gas hogs, but if you have to ask the price of gas, well then..... :P

These are interesting cars, in that William Lyon, El Supremo of Jaguar, was a notorious cheapskate---even worse than Henry Ford if you can believe that. He'd spend money on things you could see but he'd scrape the bottom of the bargain barrel for components you could not see.

You got beauty and outstanding performance in an E-Type for a bargain price---but you paid for your bargain in terms of shoddy reliability.

andre1969

Okay, now that I look at that light blue one you posted, and then a 2+2 side by side, I can see a difference and it's pretty notable. Looks like they stuck the extra wheelbase for the 2+2 in at the door area, rather than the rear quarter area. And the rear slope of the 2+2 is much more hunch-back looking than fast-back.

fintail

For a car that hit the road for model year 1961, those still look pretty amazing.