Mystery car pix

Mr_Shiftright

And a very troublesome piece of work it was, too! That's a car you don't want even for free.

But I will say this for it....if you wanted the fastest, best handling 22 foot car in existence, this was it.

Need a water pump? Only $1,500.

andys120

Aw Shifty, you just don't get the Mercedes 600 Pullman, the most advanced technological leap in autodom since the Citroen ID (and unmatched to this day).

I wouldn't buy one on a bet, nor would I enjoy driving one, they're like big yachts, if you have to ask how much it costs to maintain you can't afford one but that doesn't mean we can't admire'em.

andys120

fintail

If I was super rich and was of the type to be driven around in a limo, I would choose a 600

That red car is an Alpine, I think they made them like that through at least the late 80s. I remember them being new. I never cared for the window line or the bizarro windshield wipers.

andys120

Your identification is..um...incomplete in that there were several generations of "Alpines",
can anyone ID the pictured car a little more definitively? Shifty? Bob?

This little roadster was posed against a very English-looking background but it's a Suzuki Cappuccino, I'm not sure if they are still making it.



Here it is sans removable top., it's easily the most appealing 'zuki I've seen.=>

Mr_Shiftright

ANDY--All I can think of is calling it a Renault Alpine.

FINTAIL -- If you chose a 600 to be driven around it, you'd mostly be walking I'm afraid. Don't you recall the famous incident when a US President (I forget who) visited Germany and the stupid 600 broke down on global television. They had to push it off the tarmac! Benz officials were FURIOUS!

fintail

I don't know any Alpine model names

I think that president might have been Kennedy. I know the 600 would have been out in very early form in 63...but I can't recall who it was. I know I've heard the story though. Anyway, I think of them from the Omen/Damien movies...the 600 has kind of an evil look to it, and I like that.

If not, a LWB W112 300SE fintail might be a good choice, or maybe an Adenauer, or a late 50s American limo.

rsholland

Your identification is..um...incomplete in that there were several generations of "Alpines",
can anyone ID the pictured car a little more definitively? Shifty? Bob?

A310 Gr4

http://www.alpinespecialist.nl/

Bob

andys120

You got it nailed Bob. I'll slip some of the previous editions in when youse least expect it.

The Renault-Alpines were very successful big league rally cars. Think of them as France's answer to the 911, the motor was hung out the back.

bhill2

Also, Jack Nicholson (as the Devil - perfect casting) drove a black 600 SWB sedan in "Witches of Eastwick". It did indeed look suitably evil.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

Looks German though....

stickguy

a Lancia?

andys120

Your gonna flip when you find out. Bob, Fin, wanna take a crack?

fintail

Looks like a Lancia style badge, but the wheels/caps are very German

I have no idea

rsholland

1959 VW Porsche Beutler Coupe.

http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/cents_ans/expo/expo_carrosserie/index.php?idIndex=&idContent=6- 815

That was a tough one!

Bob

Mr_Shiftright

Leave it to the Swiss to make a German car look French!! I bet they could make a French car look Italian, too. They are many cultures in one.

andys120

Beutler Carrosserie built the first six Porsche 356A Cabrios back in 1948 and continued to build coachbuilt Porsches throut the 60s. The red car is a '59, one of the last Buetler Porsches. Here's a more "Porsche-looking car without the faux grille.

seminole_kev

Got to admit to having no knowledge of those works. Not really wild about how those look.

rsholland

is the grille, as it did in the original photo, to look so Lancia-like. I have never seen the Porsche badge as large as it appeared on that Beutler model; nor have I ever seen used as part of the grille design. Porsche has always used their badge small, and on the hood (never in the grille).

Bob

fintail

Hey I was right on the wheels anyway...they did remind me of a 356

andys120

Yep, the wheels were the giveaway just as they were on the Zagato-bodied Abarth Carrera I posted a while back. Needless to say I picked the car with the fake grille just because it looked the least like a Porsche. :P

Mr_Shiftright

that thing is as ugly as sin...where's my shotgun? Looks like an old Jaguar S type rear end with a Porsche 356 "notchback" roof (the model nobody wants) and a front end that might be okay on another car entirely, as it has not been properly introduced to the one it's on right now.

Well at least we know why it's obscure.

andys120

y'all should get this one fast....

rsholland

Alfa Romeo Montreal.

http://www.carsfromitaly.com/alfaromeo/index.html

Bob

andys120

Yep, I saw at Expo '67 where it was introduced to the world.

Pretty neat little car, I've maybe seen two or three in my life, counting the one at the Montreal Expo. I'd rather have a GTV, especially if it had the Montreal's V8.

andys120

andys120

I have never seen the Porsche badge as large as it appeared on that Beutler model; nor have I ever seen used as part of the grille design. Porsche has always used their badge small, and on the hood (never in the grille).

Except for the faux grille on the Beutler I don't think any Porsche had a front "Grille"
until the Cayenne, not even the water cooled ones.

fintail

Hudson Jet

Mr_Shiftright

928 has a grille but under the bumper, if that counts.

Alfa Montreals are a kick to drive but very complex and finicky. I'd like to have one someday--they make a great sound. Not too expensive to buy, either.

andys120

Would you call that a grille, or a slot, in any case it's a poor place to display a badge.
Fintail is right about the Hudson Jet, it's a '54. I always thought the were simply copies of the '53 Ford. :P

Who's got this?=>

rsholland

Frua-bodied AC 428.

http://www.madle.org/ac428a.jpg

http://www.w2ec.com/Frua.html

http://www.pietro-frua.de/1965_ac.htm

Bob

Mr_Shiftright

A rather unloved car. Considering that they are much rarer than Cobras (onlyl 28 made in convertible form), their current market value at about $40K-$45K for a nice one seems very cheap. If price is driven by supply and demand, and supply is only 28, demand can't be very high.

Try this one:

andys120

The AC428 was unloved because it lacked the visual and tactile excitement of the AC Cobras. Carroll Shelby has been trying to build a successful follow on to the original snake for 40 years and he still hasn't been successful. I don't thin he was involved with the Frua 428, though.

Bob, thanks for those links. Shifty I can't figure out what that white car is. I thought it might be a coupe version of the Volvo P1900 but it should say "VOLVO" right at top of the grille. How 'bout a better pic, that one's pretty crappy w all those reflections and shadows?

Mr_Shiftright

danf1

Thre headlights. Is it a German Tucker?

andys120

Gee, thanks . It's wearing a British plate but that could be a carrozzeria badge
just ahead of the door. Is it a Jensen? Prolly not, it looks a bit like a CV8 but has a round badge instead of the Jensen winged badge. WTF :confuse:

Dan, I think the light in the grille is an aftermarket fog or driving light

Mr_Shiftright

not a Jensen but that's not a bad guess actually, in that this company later imitated Jensen in powerplants. The mention of Germany is actually quite relevant, although it is not a German car. There is also a link to the British AC.

rsholland

1954 Bristol 404 Coupé

http://www.mirbach.de/main.asp?main=auto_detail&ID=927&subnav=1

Bob

andys120

rsholland

Oh, that's easy! Fiat 600 Multipla!

Skip, a good friend of mine from grade school, his dad had one. I rode in it way too may times to remember as a kid. He also had a Model A Ford. It was a neat family. I'm still in touch with Skip via IMs, in fact as late as last month we communicated.

http://www.quepo.com/queposite/quepoweb/600multipla.html

Bob

Mr_Shiftright

My friend had a Multipla with the custom license plate SEASLUG.

Wow I'd like to see a Multipla/ Ford Model A death race, 0-50! It'd be close.

PF_Flyer

If you just think about the profile of that one it looks almost exactly like most of the minivans running around today... except that it's headed in the opposite direction!

andys120

orangelebaron

Peugeot concept?

rsholland

0-50? How about 0-40, as I'm not sure either one could do 50, except maybe downhill.

Bob

rsholland

Peugeot 407 Elixir Concept

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2003_fms_407elixir/

Bob

fintail

Jowett Jupiter

Jowett also made a sedan called the Javelin which was pretty modern for a period British car

andys120

Correct, you'll probably get this one too=>

fintail

That's the square variant of the Karmann Ghia, I can't recall what the model name is