Mystery car pix

magnette

Well, this is a Sachsenring / Horch P240 from East Germany. Apparently although they badged it as a Horch, the trademark was still owned by the West German Auto-Union company so this car built in East Germany at the old Horch works ( in Zwickau, which is the same town they built Trabants) was known as a Sachsenring but still had Horch badges.

That word in chrome on the wing is Sachsenring.

I knew the basic car but have had to look up about the estate version because I didn't recall having seen anything about it but in a book I have about East European cars there is a picture of an identical one and the picture caption says in May 1958 six P240 estate cars were made - all painted blue & white for use by the East German broadcasting service....

Presumably this was one of them.

I have a 1/43rd scale model of the saloon.

andys120

fintail said:

Fiat-based Lada (VAZ) 2102, probably from launch around 1970.

Da, the Fiat 124 sedan/wagon was one of the most widely produced cars ever , some believe that if you combine all the clones and near clones it was the numerous auto model ever made. Production continued into the 21st century.

andys120

That Sachsenring/Horch reminds me of a line from a very funny 1960s movie, One-Two-Three . It stars Jimmy Cagney as a Coca-Cola exec in a divided Berlin. Theres a scene where a character goes for a ride in what the Russian driver describes as "exact copy of 1937 Nash."

The IFA/Sachsenring saga is an interesting one. They also took over a BMW factory in Eisenach and manufactured clones of the prewar BMW 327/328 under the name EMW (Eisenach Motoren Werke). Other products were the infamous Wartburg and the Trabant.

Mr_Shiftright

Good sleuthing gentlemen!

Here's another interesting car:

texases

1958 Alpine A106? The Renault-related one?

Mr_Shiftright

Bingo! Don't know the exact year but they came out in 1955. Interesting car, Polyester body, built by the Chappe brothers just outside Paris, Renault 4CV platform. The 4CV was a very successful car in early 50s European road racing.

texases

Shifty, your post includes a link with the car info showing...

Mr_Shiftright

Huh. I don't see that in my browser. I'll fix that!

Thanks, and remember, that was classified information you read.

stickguy

Late 60s AMC. I'll just leave it at that

Mr_Shiftright

Good start

fintail

Funny thing, the Stalin-supported ZIS-101 was pretty much a copy of a ~35 Nash:



The facelift model also resembles a Nash:



I'd love to have a Trabi to rev up in front of the local Prius/EV/Tesla weenies and dorks.

andys120 said:

That Sachsenring/Horch reminds me of a line from a very funny 1960s movie, One-Two-Three . It stars Jimmy Cagney as a Coca-Cola exec in a divided Berlin. Theres a scene where a character goes for a ride in what the Russian driver describes as "exact copy of 1937 Nash."

The IFA/Sachsenring saga is an interesting one. They also took over a BMW factory in Eisenach and manufactured clones of the prewar BMW 327/328 under the name EMW (Eisenach Motoren Werke). Other products were the infamous Wartburg and the Trabant.

Mr_Shiftright

I'll repost:

andys120

berri

Omnirizon truck. Don't know which one or the year though.

fintail

I'll guess it is a Plymouth Scamp, which I think is rarer than a Rampage.

andys120

Yup, that's a 1983 Plymouth Scamp. i once drove it's hatchback counterpart, the Horizon and the torque steer nearly ripped my arm off in spite of its complete lack of power. Pretty horrible little cars!i

Mr_Shiftright

Any takers on the blue convertible?

lostwrench1

Mr_Shiftright said:

Any takers on the blue convertible?

1968 AMC Rebel SST Typhoon V8.

fintail

My sister had an 83 Rampage, which my dad bought for her out of an estate in 1996. It was a very clean low mileage survivor, red with a matching canopy. She loved it, learned stick on it, drove it all over the place. It was finicky at times, another one with the primitive computer controls, I think. She traded it on a Contour a couple years later (not her best decision), and someone at the Ford dealer wanted it, and paid her price for it - exactly what was paid a couple years earlier.

Mr_Shiftright

That's it!

OK, how about:

fintail

AC 428 by Frua

qbrozen

Huh. Now I know where they got the front end of the BMW Z8!

tjc78

andys120 said:

Yup, that's a 1983 Plymouth Scamp. i once drove it's hatchback counterpart, the Horizon and the torque steer nearly ripped my arm off in spite of its complete lack of power. Pretty horrible little cars!i

We had several of those in the family (84 Horizon, 85 and 86 Shelby Chargers, 85 2.2 Charger). The base 85 2.2 was the worst, hard to start when cold, the AC broke every year, and the paint all peeled around 89 or so.

stickguy

there were 3 of them in our family. Never one issue with the AC. Because none of the 3 had AC. 1 did have power steering though!

the first was bad. a strippo 1.6l stick. That had engine issues (oil use) and was only around a few years. Not sure why, but my folks got another one to replace it (this was a 1.7) which as far as I know was OK.

my wife had a 2.2 AT when we got married. Pretty quick for the day, and still the best car I have ever driven in the snow.

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

Huh. Now I know where they got the front end of the BMW Z8!

Yes, the AC 428 Frua---exotic looking but a bit crude in execution compared to other European supercars.

Mr_Shiftright

Don't shoot me I"m just the messenger!

fintail

For when your 32 foot long car just isn't long enough.

tmart

Mr_Shiftright said:

Don't shoot me I"m just the messenger!

Lincoln Premier with a Continental kit.

berri

Very ungainly - maybe a '56. Can't see the front.

Mr_Shiftright

Yes a '56. Note the little scoops on the rear fender--that's for trunk mounted AC

Mr_Shiftright

This one might be tough, as only a handful with this coachwork were made. They also made a cabrio version, oddly enough in greater numbers (relatively speaking!).

Not quite sure if I like this one or not. This coachbuilder is generally not my favorite.

stickguy

some sort of cunningham?

texases

1955ish Maserati A6G Frua Coupe?

Mr_Shiftright

Right on the money texases....only 6 made.

texases

They left off the huge trident most mid '50s Masers had. Looks better that way. 

Mr_Shiftright

I like the original better.

magnette

That Lincoln Premier with the continental tyre kit - I appreciate it looks worse because of the angle of the photo but did many people have this option fitted in the 50s or is it something which would have been rare but all restored cars get them as extra bling?

It does rather spoil the lines of the car and given the size of the trunk surely most people wouldn't need to have it fitted as a means of getting more space - not to mention the inconvenience of a great lump in the way to get anything out like shopping or whatever. Also must have made the handling worse too...

andys120

magnette said:

That Lincoln Premier with the continental tyre kit - I appreciate it looks worse because of the angle of the photo but did many people have this option fitted in the 50s or is it something which would have been rare but all restored cars get them as extra bling?

It does rather spoil the lines of the car and given the size of the trunk surely most people wouldn't need to have it fitted as a means of getting more space - not to mention the inconvenience of a great lump in the way to get anything out like shopping or whatever. Also must have made the handling worse too...

The outside spare wasn't seen on very many cars back in the day, a notable exception would be the 1956 Thunderbirds, which all seen to have had it...



Curiously the very similar '55 and '57 'Birds didn't come with the outside spares (at least not from the factory).

I think your point about rare options being commonly added during restorations for added bling is a good one. I can think of a few offhand-

-8 lug wheels on early 60s Pontiacs.
-Side-mount exhausts on Corvette C2s and C3s
-Kelsey-Hayes wire wheels on T-Birds, 300 letter cars, Stude Hawks and the like.

All of the above were expensive and rarely seen back in the day.

andys120

lostwrench1

1950 Mercury.
(The 1950 Mercury Indy 500 pace car was also yellow.)

Mr_Shiftright

lostwrench1

What a beauty.
Guessing it has a 123" wheelbase, I'll go with this 1947 Studebaker Commander's being the Regal De Luxe Land Cruiser.

Mr_Shiftright

Close but not quite.

tmart

andys120 said:

magnette said:

That Lincoln Premier with the continental tyre kit - I appreciate it looks worse because of the angle of the photo but did many people have this option fitted in the 50s or is it something which would have been rare but all restored cars get them as extra bling?

It does rather spoil the lines of the car and given the size of the trunk surely most people wouldn't need to have it fitted as a means of getting more space - not to mention the inconvenience of a great lump in the way to get anything out like shopping or whatever. Also must have made the handling worse too...

The outside spare wasn't seen on very many cars back in the day, a notable exception would be the 1956 Thunderbirds, which all seen to have had it...



Curiously the very similar '55 and '57 'Birds didn't come with the outside spares (at least not from the factory).

I think your point about rare options being commonly added during restorations for added bling is a good one. I can think of a few offhand-

-8 lug wheels on early 60s Pontiacs.
-Side-mount exhausts on Corvette C2s and C3s
-Kelsey-Hayes wire wheels on T-Birds, 300 letter cars, Stude Hawks and the like.

All of the above were expensive and rarely seen back in the day.

The reason for the Ckit on the 56 is really simple. A lot of buyers of the 55 complained of limited trunk space due to the spare tire. Ford's answer was to move the tire out of the trunk! Problem solved. With the redesign of the 57, the trunk was enlarged. Ford's answer is similar to what GM did to the GTO. Buyers complained of poor mileage, actually back then, it was having to fill up too often. GM's answer was to install a larger gas tank! No more complaints! Wonder what's with the little lights/reflectors on the bumper? They aren't factory.

lostwrench1

Mr_Shiftright said:

Close but not quite.

1948?

Mr_Shiftright

Yep, '48. Quite similar to '47. Handsome car.

Mr_Shiftright

This car has a model name later used by Chevrolet:

berri

Early 50's Nash Rambler wagon, but don't know the precise year.

Mr_Shiftright

OK, very good, partial credit. Extra points for year and model name.

berri

Is that when they started calling the wagon Cross Country?