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Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
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Comments
Based on your logic, I guess every American V8 out there has had some link to more mundane duty. ...."
The 6 liter V8 in GTO/Monaro is exclusive to that car, Vette and believe SSR truck. Unlike the 4.6 which powers taxi cabs to the towncar.
....." will agree that the GTO is more of a cruiser. That's not what I wanted, though. ....."
Agreed. I wanted more of a cruiser, This GTO feels like mercedes and BMW 5 series in some ways, I don't race my GTO at a dragstrip or around a race track. This GTO has more then enough handling and braking for me. Everyday car. I only drive it about 8k to 10k miles a year.
......." GEAR? They also blasted the 'vette. My guess is they'd absolutely slam the GTO given the opportunity if they didn't like the 'vette"......
Yes, top gear does usually slam american cars... Actually since the Monaro is Austrailian/European as Vauxhall they didn't slam it too bad,
But probably the most important reason I got the GTO is because it is a RARE vehicle, everybody and their brother already has a Mustang 200,000, and there are THOUSANDS more to come. Pretty soon they will be so common, nobody will care. Where as there are only 12,000 to 18,000 GTO's. All the GTO's are the good V8, not like 60 to 65%% of Mustangs that wimpy V6.
Also Higher insurance rates, younger people driving them/cracking them up. For me it was $200 more year for Mustang and it has 100 less hp. I have a perfect driving record for 4 yrs. no tix and have multi car discount, married etc.
Thats your opinion. GTO sells very well in Austrailia, England, etc. In my opinion Knowbody will care about the dime a dozen, 50 in each mall parking lot RENT-A-Stang except Mustang owners and Avis. The majority which are Cheesey V6 Automatics. Sorry but like you, I don't want a car that that everyone has like a Taurus,Camry, Accord. And a car that can be rented by anyone.
Just went to a 500+ car show around here, 3 GTO's, and about 50+ mustangs. More people looking at GTO's, more rare!!
I like to be distinctive, not like Stang owners...
I believe it is also used in the Cadillac Escalade, ESV, EXT... but I could be wrong... that could be a different 6.0 liter engine.
Don't know where you are, but I'm in the good ol' U.S. of A., and nobody cares about the GTO here except the people who bought one. And the "GTO" doesn't sell anywhere except here. Everywhere else, it is what it is; a Monaro.
...not to mention the Trailblazer SS, and more than like will also end up in the CTS-V and Silvarado SS. That's a lot of trucks hosting that engine. What's that all about??
The 6.0 Liter engine used in the Escalade, ESV and EXT is a Vortec 6 Liter with 345hp, NOT the same engine as the Vette, monaro/Corvette and SSR truck.
CTS-V still uses the 5.7L V8
The 6 liter is new for 2005, hasn't been around since 1990 with many mods like the 4.6L Taxi-cab Crown Vic engine.
The Trailblazer SS will get the cylinder deactivation mode like the HEMI V8
I felt that way about Mustangs long before I even considered a GTO, and for the record, I come from a long line of Ford enthusiasts.
I think the exterior is fairly nice but I could never live with that interior.
It doesn't hurt me to have a car that is a dime a dozen like Camry-Accords-rental cars. Or to pay the ridiculous high over MSRP, got to have it Or PAY the HIGH insurance premiums the Mustang V8 commands. More to insure then GTO. All the kids driving them, drive up the price. Actually a Corvette is CHEAPER then a Mustang to insure, funny!!
Makes the GTO more of a collectors item. As it stands now 1960's and early 1970's GTO are worth more then Mustangs of same era from a collectors point of view. At least I don't see 10 GTO's in every parking lot.
Sorry the GTO interior is more upscale, higher quality, better seats.
I don't see why this point is even being debated. For one thing, this should be obvious to anyone except the blind and for another, the GTO costs more, so everything is inline with expectations. I don't see a point in bringing this up unless either the cars cost the same or the Mustang folks denied this fact.
You know what's funny? I agree on GTO vs Mustang. But that's not what's funny. What's funny is, one of my favorite cars, the Chrysler 300C (especially that SRT-8) resides on the Mustang side in terms of rentals, and being seen everywhere. Yet I still viciously desire one. Maybe it's because the 300's purpose is not to be a sporty icon car like the Mustang, but to be a relatively affordable "nice" car, and in the case of the SRT-8, offer world class performance, seating for 5, all for just under $40k. So maybe it's not the same as comparing to the Mustang.
So what makes you think it hurts us that the GTO has the same corporate engine and transmission as the Corvette? I had a Chevy S10 with that same transmission. So what? The Trans Am and Z28 had the Corvette powertrain, too. So what? That obviously didn't do them any good, either.
So, I guess it attracts more people (other than owners) than you think.
Oh - I also get Mustang drivers attention on a regular basis (there are sooo many of you out there).
The std F body had the 3.4 then 3.8 V6. V8 was OPTIONAL. They used to beat the stangs all the time. Too bad it was cancelled. Only the TOP of the line models had Vette drivetrain. Also I believe the F body were detuned by about 10 to 25 hp less then vette. F Body build quality was not so good, interiors were very cheap. Like the Mustangs of the same era.
GTO far and away blows the F Body away in comfort, interior quality, quietness, build quality etc. It's like night and day. Do 100mph in Fbody then do it in GTO, GTO much more stable, quiet etc.
Seeming that I am a young one, my 1st mustang was a 98 V6.
Car 2 was a 2003 10th Anniversary SVT Cobra
Car 3 a 2002 Z06 Vette, aftermarket workdone (450HP)
Car 4 2001 Neon RT (irrelevant car...beater...for work) ANYWAY
Car 5 and present car 05 Mustang GT.
I've owned all those cars, (yes im young, but wealthy family if your wondering, and good job) and a friend of mine had... HAD a GTO. So I drove it.
Yes, the 98 V6 was slow, but hey, its a decent car for someone without too much money. The Cobra, there was a FAST car, head to the seat acceleration.. etc. Handled decent.
Vette...honestly, sucked on every bump, dip and variation in road. I sat so low, felt like I was driving a Luge.
GTO - well drove somewhat better then the vette, but when a Vette goes by, you know its a Vette, when a GTO goes by, you have to try to figure out what it is. It has no distinct design to it that sets it apart from other cars. When a mustang goes by, you KNOW its a mustang.
GTO rides choppy.
05 GT, well definitly a smooth ride. Firm and responsive on handling. Ford did great bringing back remnants of the past with the interior gauges and design.
Not to mention the 05 GT actually has a better 0-60 time the the 03-04 SVT Cobra, with its 390 HP. Imagine that.
Well, if you ask most people, they dont even know that Pontiac came back with a GTO, because NO ONE cares, but ask someone about the new Mustang, and your first response you get is... "Oh yeah, the one that looks like the old 69's, its really nice"
If I see a GTO on the road, I'll take it up for challenge any day!
Precisely.
...Mustang drivers... (there are sooo many of you out there).
Precisely.
Not a term I'd ever associate with the smooth yet thrilling ride I get in my GTO.
That's why I said Trans Am and Z28, not Firebird and Camaro. And the V6 Mustang was quicker than the V6 F-body; less weight. The Trans Am and Z28 had the exact same powertrain as the Corvette, not a detuned one. You might want to check out the LS1 zealot forums for proof.
Good, I like Sleepers. Cars like the Mustang can attract the wrong attention, like cops etc. Besides it clearly says GTO embossed in BIG letters at the back bottom of the car. Pretty easy to see.
...."Well, if you ask most people, they dont even know that Pontiac came back with a GTO, because NO ONE cares".....
Your take/opinion on it, not fact. In fact when I tell people they have a GTO they are amazed and want to see it. It didn't help that GM really didn't advertise the car.
...."GTO rides choppy"..... .
Again, says you. My 2005 doesn't ride choppy, and it certainly rides a lot better and is more comfortable on long trips then 2005 Stang. At least I can fit 4 adults comfortably in GTO, unlike Stang.
...."Not to mention the 05 GT actually has a better 0-60 time the the 03-04 SVT Cobra, with its 390 HP. Imagine that". .....
NO, the 0-60 and 1/4 mile time are better on the Cobra then the 2005 Mustang. 90hp dif. check your facts. Cobra ran a 12.9 1/4 vs 13.8 for 2005. Big dif. C&D numbers
Wow.
Have fun then.
Perhaps they should rename it to the lemmingmobile...
Corvette differed in that it had a slightly different cam, exhaust, and air box (intake), and drive by wire. Everything else is pretty much the same. Yeah pretty much the same. About the same horsepower too. From 1998 and on.
BTW... the VXR sold out in it's first 3 months in production in England. So the car is not the Sales failure people claim it to be. Holden is making good $$ on it.
Yep and it's often compared to the likes of BMW and Mercedes. It competed very well against BMW in Austrailia. You will ever see a Mustang compared to those 2 marques... Not enough quality etc. In fact Car and Driver compared 2004 GTO to AMG or E55 Mercedes and GTO did very well against it, IMPRESSIVE.
Me as a former 5 series BMW driver.. I have to agree.
The funny thing is that many GTO buyers I know have traded in their BMW/Mercedes etc for GTO. Seems to be a more affluent older crowd buying GTO, hopefully insurance rates will stay down.
Where as the 2005 Mustang is DRAG limited at 140mph, can't go any faster, no limiter, pathetic. Nissan Maxima with governor removed can go nearly 150mph+
Some people like to follow the herd, I don't like rent-a-cars like Stang or common cars like Cam-Accord-Taurus-mustang. But to Each Their Own.
yadda, yadda. I have yet to see a "more affluent older" person driving a GTO. Everytime I see one, the guy looks younger than me, and probably lives in an apartment somewhere. And when it comes down to it, when you add in all the incentives, the GTO is probably easier and cheaper to buy than a Mustang GT. That's probably why all I ever see driving them is young guys.
The V6 exhaust doesn't sound so good on V6 mustang as would be expected.
yadda, yadda as well.... I've seen many Mustangs parked in apartment lots, so go figure. NO GTO's yet. Most of the stangs are in the High school lot & College parking lots by me and college age students, most of them are wimpy V6 models.
The rare GTO's I see are not driven by HS or college kids. Seems to be older.
Most of those 300 rentals are the wimpy V6 version, NOT the HEMI. The problem with the SRT-8 is that it looks too much like the regular 300C. BTW.. I like the 300C too.
As you know rentals drive down the resale value of a car
That's a matter of opinion. But I should hope the GTO sounds deeper considering those huge 5.7L and 6L engines in them.
But I thought you liked sleepers?
Many Mustang owners on here have denied this fact of the GTO interior/seats being better and BTW....
GT at $28k, closer to $30k with MSRP and ridiculous Dealer mark-ups
GTO at $31.5k.. with employee discount etc
Both cars are much closer in price then some think.
Whoever said the 300C was a sleeper, it stands out. What I said is that the SRT-8 doesn't have enough dif in it. Just like the GT vs V6 Mustang for the avg Joe. I can tell the dif.
Heck if that was the case, the F150 is the Best vehicle in the world because it sells the best. Or Bic pens are better then Mount Blanc pens. Or McDonalds is better then Peter Lugers/Mortons because they sell more. Give me a break.
Crossfire only sells the same or LESS then GTO, but I guess it's a failure too, right?
2005 Mustang 0-60 time is rated 5.2
Not much of a difference, but numbers dont lie.
Also, for those of you pissing and moaning about Ford having to supercharge their mustangs to get power... HELLO
Anyone remember the 2000 SVT Cobra R?
5.4 L Engine. ( NOT SUPERCHARGED)
385 HP
Top Speed of over 170 MPH.
I do believe if Ford wanted to make a car, that could get 400HP with no blower, THEY CAN.
GTO is a 6.0 L engine, if Ford used one, they'd be over 400HP.
I personally do not have a problem with Ford supercharging engines. I owned a SC 3800 so I understand that it is an easy way to make power and makes for great modability (if your into that).
That being said, I am in the camp of Ford cannot do 400hp normally aspirated, at least in a reasonably priced car. Their 4.6 is already physically bigger, heavier, more costly to build, less fuel efficient, and down horsepower on the LS2. Getting it up to 400hp NA is going to add a lot of cost to the car, which is something they obviously do not want to do. Using the 5.4 is going to only exaggerate the problems I just mentioned. Ironic that the Mustang guys are complaining about the GTOs weight, but the estimated for the new Shelby which will use the 5.4 keep going up - almost 3900 pounds was the latest I saw.
A car is only as good as its driver.
To each their own.
GTO is a 6.0 L engine, if Ford used one, they'd be over 400HP.".....
They haven't yet. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Wasn't the Cobra SVT R nearly $40k in price? It also had IRS.
Exactly... the Shelby GT500 will weigh the SAME or MORE then GTO and cost more, $40k+ and be around 58% 42%. Weight distribution It gains 150 to 200 pounds in the front.
Actually Car and Driver said the GTO exhaust had a much deeper more angry, better exhaust note as well, so it's not just my opinion. This GTO has one of the best factory exhaust systems I have ever heard,.
Me neither, but let's put a supercharger on the GTO to compare apples to apples. If you put a magna charger "supercharger" on a Stock GTO with better tires you will run 11's and 12's in the 1/4 mile. Better then GT500. I hae seen 11.9 to 12.5 consistent 1/4's with supercharged GTO. Total price with charger is still under $40k. Cheaper then GT500. They will honor your factory warranty as well.
Sorry, but the Mustang caters to a lower income crowd with it's base wimpy V6 and $19k starting price. You see them a dime a dozen in the High Schoo & College parking lots. The majority of Stang sales 65% are base V6/rentals. To each their own. At least every GTO on the road is the real deal, 400hp V8. No wimpy V6's... As for GTO incentives, Employee discount this month and $1k rebate, not much.