2017 4 series lease question

jinang23jinang23 Member Posts: 10
edited May 2017 in BMW
Is 5.5K off the MSRP considered to be good deal for 2017 430i GC?

Also, what would be the residual and MF for 10K/12K/15K for the same .

Thanks!

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    jinang23 said:

    Is 5.5K off the MSRP considered to be good deal for 2017 430i GC?

    Also, what would be the residual and MF for 10K/12K/15K for the same .

    Thanks!

    .00136 MF and 58% residual for 36/15.
    $1000 option allowance.
    Add 2% for 12K/yr or 3% for 10K/yr

    What is the MSRP?

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  • jinang23jinang23 Member Posts: 10
    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    jinang23 said:

    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321

    That is a pretty good price.

    What did they quote for the lease?

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  • jinang23jinang23 Member Posts: 10
    I'm yet to talk to them about the lease but what would you expect it to be approximately for 12K/36M?
    kyfdx said:

    jinang23 said:

    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321

    That is a pretty good price.

    What did they quote for the lease?
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211
    jinang23 said:

    I'm yet to talk to them about the lease but what would you expect it to be approximately for 12K/36M?

    kyfdx said:

    jinang23 said:

    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321

    That is a pretty good price.

    What did they quote for the lease?
    With those prices and numbers, I get $557/mo before tax.

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  • jinang23jinang23 Member Posts: 10
    Michaell said:

    jinang23 said:

    I'm yet to talk to them about the lease but what would you expect it to be approximately for 12K/36M?

    kyfdx said:

    jinang23 said:

    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321

    That is a pretty good price.

    What did they quote for the lease?
    With those prices and numbers, I get $557/mo before tax.
    Thank you Michaell. I'll post the numbers once I have them. Do you anticipate better incentives from BMW for Nov 16?
  • jinang23jinang23 Member Posts: 10
    Michaell said:

    jinang23 said:

    I'm yet to talk to them about the lease but what would you expect it to be approximately for 12K/36M?

    kyfdx said:

    jinang23 said:

    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321

    That is a pretty good price.

    What did they quote for the lease?
    With those prices and numbers, I get $557/mo before tax.
    For the $557/month, how much down payment did you consider?

    Here is what i'm being offered

    MSRP 53,690...offer price 47,264 and with CA taxes 52,291

    Residual 10K - 61% ; 12K - 60%
    MF - 0.00199 ( i feel this is too high)

    Lease numbers with 2k down
    10K - 688
    12K - 704

    Is it possible to bargain on MF?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    jinang23 said:

    Michaell said:

    jinang23 said:

    I'm yet to talk to them about the lease but what would you expect it to be approximately for 12K/36M?

    kyfdx said:

    jinang23 said:

    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321

    That is a pretty good price.

    What did they quote for the lease?
    With those prices and numbers, I get $557/mo before tax.
    Thank you Michaell. I'll post the numbers once I have them. Do you anticipate better incentives from BMW for Nov 16?
    No guesses on next month.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    jinang23 said:

    Michaell said:

    jinang23 said:

    I'm yet to talk to them about the lease but what would you expect it to be approximately for 12K/36M?

    kyfdx said:

    jinang23 said:

    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321

    That is a pretty good price.

    What did they quote for the lease?
    With those prices and numbers, I get $557/mo before tax.
    For the $557/month, how much down payment did you consider?

    Here is what i'm being offered

    MSRP 53,690...offer price 47,264 and with CA taxes 52,291

    Residual 10K - 61% ; 12K - 60%
    MF - 0.00199 ( i feel this is too high)

    Lease numbers with 2k down
    10K - 688
    12K - 704

    Is it possible to bargain on MF?
    Base money factor is .00136, with top tier credit. I would insist on it.

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  • jinang23jinang23 Member Posts: 10
    kyfdx said:

    jinang23 said:

    Michaell said:

    jinang23 said:

    I'm yet to talk to them about the lease but what would you expect it to be approximately for 12K/36M?

    kyfdx said:

    jinang23 said:

    MSRP is 53690...offer price with 1K option allowance is 48321

    That is a pretty good price.

    What did they quote for the lease?
    With those prices and numbers, I get $557/mo before tax.
    For the $557/month, how much down payment did you consider?

    Here is what i'm being offered

    MSRP 53,690...offer price 47,264 and with CA taxes 52,291

    Residual 10K - 61% ; 12K - 60%
    MF - 0.00199 ( i feel this is too high)

    Lease numbers with 2k down
    10K - 688
    12K - 704

    Is it possible to bargain on MF?
    Base money factor is .00136, with top tier credit. I would insist on it.
    Revised quote:
    Cash Due 36 months
    10,000 Miles
    $2,000 $612
    $3,000 $581
    $4,000 $551

    How does this sound?

    Can you please tell me how much down payment did you consider to come to $557/month?
  • jinang23jinang23 Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2016
    Another offer:

    MSRP 53645 Offer price 48535
    Corporate incentive - 1500
    Residual - 60% and MF - 0.00134

    Down 2k

    Monthly including taxes
    10K miles - 558
    12K miles - 574

    Also is the corporate fleet incentive taxed?

    These seems pretty good. Can you please comment
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211
    jinang23 said:

    Another offer:

    MSRP 53645 Offer price 48535
    Corporate incentive - 1500
    Residual - 60% and MF - 0.00134

    Down 2k

    Monthly including taxes
    10K miles - 558
    12K miles - 574

    Also is the corporate fleet incentive taxed?

    These seems pretty good. Can you please comment

    If the offer price is the cap cost, I get $562/mo before tax.

    Yes, all incentives are subject to tax.

    What does the $2K cover?

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  • jinang23jinang23 Member Posts: 10
    Michaell said:

    jinang23 said:

    Another offer:

    MSRP 53645 Offer price 48535
    Corporate incentive - 1500
    Residual - 60% and MF - 0.00134

    Down 2k

    Monthly including taxes
    10K miles - 558
    12K miles - 574

    Also is the corporate fleet incentive taxed?

    These seems pretty good. Can you please comment

    If the offer price is the cap cost, I get $562/mo before tax.

    Yes, all incentives are subject to tax.

    What does the $2K cover?
    2K is drive off. Cap cost should be 48535 - 1500 (corporate) - 1000 (approx cap cost reduction) = 46035

  • davearizonadavearizona Member Posts: 15
    Thoughts on this lease below for a 2017 430i GC S in Arizona?

    MSRP: $42,945.00
    Discount: $1,469
    Net Cap: $41,476.00

    Base Pmt: $553.36
    Tax: $43.16
    36 month Pmt: $596.52

    Doc prep: $398
    License/Title: $718
    Tire/VTR Fee: $21.75
    Acquisition Fee: $925
    1st Pmt: $596.52

    Rate: 0.00174
    Miles: 12,000
    Residual % (42,945): 58+2=60%
    Residual Amt: $25,767.00

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211

    Thoughts on this lease below for a 2017 430i GC S in Arizona?

    MSRP: $42,945.00
    Discount: $1,469
    Net Cap: $41,476.00

    Base Pmt: $553.36
    Tax: $43.16
    36 month Pmt: $596.52

    Doc prep: $398
    License/Title: $718
    Tire/VTR Fee: $21.75
    Acquisition Fee: $925
    1st Pmt: $596.52

    Rate: 0.00174
    Miles: 12,000
    Residual % (42,945): 58+2=60%
    Residual Amt: $25,767.00

    Not a big discount and the MF is marked up. I think you can do better. Contact multiple dealers and get them to compete against one another for your business.

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  • davearizonadavearizona Member Posts: 15
    Thx. What is the current MF and residual?
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211

    Thx. What is the current MF and residual?

    Residual is correct; dealer cannot modify it.

    Base MF is .00134 this month.

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  • realmckoyrealmckoy Member Posts: 13
    May lease numbers for 430ix yet? Looking for 36/10 Thank you!
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211
    realmckoy said:

    May lease numbers for 430ix yet? Looking for 36/10 Thank you!

    .00150 and 61%

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  • phaltrazphaltraz Member Posts: 12
    Could I please have the May residual and MF on a 2017 430i Gran Coupe for 15k/36 months?
    Thanks!
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211
    phaltraz said:

    Could I please have the May residual and MF on a 2017 430i Gran Coupe for 15k/36 months?
    Thanks!

    .00150 and 58%

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  • phaltrazphaltraz Member Posts: 12
    Hi,

    I'd like some feedback on this quote please.

    2017 430i Gran Coupe





    $3500 cash down = $1000 down + $925(Aq Fee) + $547.91(1st Payment) + $819.7(DMV and doc) + $200(unknown)

    Thanks!





  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    phaltraz said:

    Hi,

    I'd like some feedback on this quote please.

    2017 430i Gran Coupe





    $3500 cash down = $1000 down + $925(Aq Fee) + $547.91(1st Payment) + $819.7(DMV and doc) + $200(unknown)

    Thanks!

    The calculations are correct.
    With the $2500 rebate, I wouldn't put any more down, other than 1st payment and license fees.
    That would make the payment $619/mo. with $619 + $538 due at signing ($1157).

    Over 9% off MSRP + $2500 rebate, and no money factor markup. Looks like a good deal.

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  • phaltrazphaltraz Member Posts: 12
    kyfdx said:

    phaltraz said:

    Hi,



    $3500 cash down = $1000 down + $925(Aq Fee) + $547.91(1st Payment) + $819.7(DMV and doc) + $200(unknown)

    Thanks!

    The calculations are correct.
    With the $2500 rebate, I wouldn't put any more down, other than 1st payment and license fees.
    That would make the payment $619/mo. with $619 + $538 due at signing ($1157).

    Over 9% off MSRP + $2500 rebate, and no money factor markup. Looks like a good deal.

    Thanks Kyfdx!

    Just so I'm clear, your saying I should go $0 down and put the $925 (Aq Fee), doc fee and etc into the lease?

    Thanks again for your help!
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211
    phaltraz said:

    kyfdx said:

    phaltraz said:

    Hi,



    $3500 cash down = $1000 down + $925(Aq Fee) + $547.91(1st Payment) + $819.7(DMV and doc) + $200(unknown)

    Thanks!

    The calculations are correct.
    With the $2500 rebate, I wouldn't put any more down, other than 1st payment and license fees.
    That would make the payment $619/mo. with $619 + $538 due at signing ($1157).

    Over 9% off MSRP + $2500 rebate, and no money factor markup. Looks like a good deal.

    Thanks Kyfdx!

    Just so I'm clear, your saying I should go $0 down and put the $925 (Aq Fee), doc fee and etc into the lease?

    Thanks again for your help!
    Yes, that is correct - first payment and DMV fees only, at signing.

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  • phaltrazphaltraz Member Posts: 12
    Michaell said:

    phaltraz said:

    kyfdx said:

    phaltraz said:

    Hi,



    $3500 cash down = $1000 down + $925(Aq Fee) + $547.91(1st Payment) + $819.7(DMV and doc) + $200(unknown)

    Thanks!

    The calculations are correct.
    With the $2500 rebate, I wouldn't put any more down, other than 1st payment and license fees.
    That would make the payment $619/mo. with $619 + $538 due at signing ($1157).

    Over 9% off MSRP + $2500 rebate, and no money factor markup. Looks like a good deal.

    Thanks Kyfdx!

    Just so I'm clear, your saying I should go $0 down and put the $925 (Aq Fee), doc fee and etc into the lease?

    Thanks again for your help!
    Yes, that is correct - first payment and DMV fees only, at signing.
    Thank you Michaell for the clarification. Still working on the deal but I think it's looking good.
  • phaltrazphaltraz Member Posts: 12
    phaltraz said:

    Michaell said:

    phaltraz said:

    kyfdx said:

    phaltraz said:

    Hi,



    $3500 cash down = $1000 down + $925(Aq Fee) + $547.91(1st Payment) + $819.7(DMV and doc) + $200(unknown)

    Thanks!

    The calculations are correct.
    With the $2500 rebate, I wouldn't put any more down, other than 1st payment and license fees.
    That would make the payment $619/mo. with $619 + $538 due at signing ($1157).

    Over 9% off MSRP + $2500 rebate, and no money factor markup. Looks like a good deal.

    Thanks Kyfdx!

    Just so I'm clear, your saying I should go $0 down and put the $925 (Aq Fee), doc fee and etc into the lease?

    Thanks again for your help!
    Yes, that is correct - first payment and DMV fees only, at signing.
    Thank you Michaell for the clarification. Still working on the deal but I think it's looking good.
    Okay so I need another clarification. What's the advantage of only putting down first payment and DMV fees only?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    phaltraz said:

    phaltraz said:

    Michaell said:

    phaltraz said:

    kyfdx said:

    phaltraz said:

    Hi,



    $3500 cash down = $1000 down + $925(Aq Fee) + $547.91(1st Payment) + $819.7(DMV and doc) + $200(unknown)

    Thanks!

    The calculations are correct.
    With the $2500 rebate, I wouldn't put any more down, other than 1st payment and license fees.
    That would make the payment $619/mo. with $619 + $538 due at signing ($1157).

    Over 9% off MSRP + $2500 rebate, and no money factor markup. Looks like a good deal.

    Thanks Kyfdx!

    Just so I'm clear, your saying I should go $0 down and put the $925 (Aq Fee), doc fee and etc into the lease?

    Thanks again for your help!
    Yes, that is correct - first payment and DMV fees only, at signing.
    Thank you Michaell for the clarification. Still working on the deal but I think it's looking good.
    Okay so I need another clarification. What's the advantage of only putting down first payment and DMV fees only?
    Large downpayments put some of your money at risk, in case the vehicle is totaled or stolen, early in the life of the lease. BMW pay for GAP insurance to cover any shortfall in the insurance payout, but it won't cover any of your dowpayment.

    Also, you are renting the vehicle monthly. No point in prepaying a monthly rent.

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  • moz26078moz26078 Member Posts: 3
    What's the residual and money factor for M4 36/10k?
    Thanks
  • phaltrazphaltraz Member Posts: 12
    kyfdx said:

    phaltraz said:

    phaltraz said:

    Michaell said:

    phaltraz said:

    kyfdx said:

    phaltraz said:

    Hi,



    $3500 cash down = $1000 down + $925(Aq Fee) + $547.91(1st Payment) + $819.7(DMV and doc) + $200(unknown)

    Thanks!

    The calculations are correct.
    With the $2500 rebate, I wouldn't put any more down, other than 1st payment and license fees.
    That would make the payment $619/mo. with $619 + $538 due at signing ($1157).

    Over 9% off MSRP + $2500 rebate, and no money factor markup. Looks like a good deal.

    Thanks Kyfdx!

    Just so I'm clear, your saying I should go $0 down and put the $925 (Aq Fee), doc fee and etc into the lease?

    Thanks again for your help!
    Yes, that is correct - first payment and DMV fees only, at signing.
    Thank you Michaell for the clarification. Still working on the deal but I think it's looking good.
    Okay so I need another clarification. What's the advantage of only putting down first payment and DMV fees only?
    Large downpayments put some of your money at risk, in case the vehicle is totaled or stolen, early in the life of the lease. BMW pay for GAP insurance to cover any shortfall in the insurance payout, but it won't cover any of your dowpayment.

    Also, you are renting the vehicle monthly. No point in prepaying a monthly rent.
    Oh I didn't realize the money was at risk. Thanks for the help!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    moz26078 said:

    What's the residual and money factor for M4 36/10k?
    Thanks

    moz26078 said:

    What's the residual and money factor for M4 36/10k?
    Thanks

    .00150 MF and 61% residual

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  • liannellliannell Member Posts: 47
    Hi, can you please post the MF and RV for a 440i RWD Gran Coupe - both 2017 and 2018 model years? Are they any different for the 430i RWD Gran Coupes?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    liannell said:

    Hi, can you please post the MF and RV for a 440i RWD Gran Coupe - both 2017 and 2018 model years? Are they any different for the 430i RWD Gran Coupes?

    2017: .00150 MF and 59% residual for 36/15
    2018: .00150 MF and 54% residual for 36/15

    either model

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  • liannellliannell Member Posts: 47
    Oh sorry kyfdx, I meant to mention I was looking for residuals for 36/10. Can you post those?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    liannell said:

    Oh sorry kyfdx, I meant to mention I was looking for residuals for 36/10. Can you post those?

    Add 3% to the 15K/yr residual

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  • leaseabienleaseabien Member Posts: 5
    edited June 2017

    Urgent help would be appreciated!

    I have a good friend who works at BMW and we've been talking for months. I kind of implicitly trusted him, but am leasing a car tomorrow (no alternative - about to travel) - and he just sent his lease offer.

    I have my own opinion, which is that my kindness is being taken advantage of - what are everyone's thoughts?


    ($3,000 down - which I'm not going to do)

    MSRP $53,315.00
    $49,240 selling price

    $6,575.00 savings rebates
    $431.50 Gov fees
    $699.50 Proc/Doc fee
    $50,164.99 Gross Cap Cost
    $46,677.35 Adjusted Cap Cost
    $30,989.00 Residual

    This is quoting a $618-$628 monthly lease at this price. DEMO / LOANER vehicle - 3.5-4k miles are on it.

    Really appreciate the insight,
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211


    Urgent help would be appreciated!

    I have a good friend who works at BMW and we've been talking for months. I kind of implicitly trusted him, but am leasing a car tomorrow (no alternative - about to travel) - and he just sent his lease offer.

    I have my own opinion, which is that my kindness is being taken advantage of - what are everyone's thoughts?


    ($3,000 down - which I'm not going to do)

    MSRP $53,315.00
    $49,240 selling price

    $6,575.00 savings rebates
    $431.50 Gov fees
    $699.50 Proc/Doc fee
    $50,164.99 Gross Cap Cost
    $46,677.35 Adjusted Cap Cost
    $30,989.00 Residual

    This is quoting a $618-$628 monthly lease at this price. DEMO / LOANER vehicle - 3.5-4k miles are on it.

    Really appreciate the insight,

    Answered in the other thread you posted in.

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  • berman2921berman2921 Member Posts: 36
    Hello, what are RV and MF for 2017 and 2018 440 GC AWD for 36/15? Thanks a lot
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211

    Hello, what are RV and MF for 2017 and 2018 440 GC AWD for 36/15? Thanks a lot

    2017: .00150 MF and 59% residual for 36/15
    2018: .00150 MF and 54% residual for 36/15

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  • berman2921berman2921 Member Posts: 36
    Michaell said:

    Hello, what are RV and MF for 2017 and 2018 440 GC AWD for 36/15? Thanks a lot

    2017: .00150 MF and 59% residual for 36/15
    2018: .00150 MF and 54% residual for 36/15
    Thank you very much
  • dukedlm22dukedlm22 Member Posts: 8
    What kind of lease payment w/o tax should I expect on a 2017 440i x drive with MF .00150, residual 59% for 36/10 purchased in suburb of Chicago, IL

    MSRP 62,505
    Sale price $53,996
    0 down

    vs

    X5 xdrive 35i
    MSRP 71,970
    sale price 67,398.80
    0 down
    36/10

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211
    dukedlm22 said:

    What kind of lease payment w/o tax should I expect on a 2017 440i x drive with MF .00150, residual 59% for 36/10 purchased in suburb of Chicago, IL

    MSRP 62,505
    Sale price $53,996
    0 down

    vs

    X5 xdrive 35i
    MSRP 71,970
    sale price 67,398.80
    0 down
    36/10

    The 36/10 residual on the 4-series is 61%; for the X5, 58%

    With your prices, I get $579/mo for the 4-series, and $876/mo for the X5

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  • dukedlm22dukedlm22 Member Posts: 8
    Other than apparently the MF being marked up, am I missing something else here?

    2017 440 x drive grand coupe
    36/10



  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    dukedlm22 said:

    Other than apparently the MF being marked up, am I missing something else here?

    2017 440 x drive grand coupe
    36/10



    Nothing missing. What about DMV fees? Which state, where tax is 2% of selling price?
    Money factor markup adds $19/mo.

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  • dukedlm22dukedlm22 Member Posts: 8
    This is for NH..there's no sale tax there. I'm not sure why they have nothing for DMV fees. This is a midwest dealer supposedly giving me NH based quotes. I already have plates on my current vehicle but would need a new registration.

    How much would you estimate the price would lower to go from 10k to 7500 miles per month on 36 months?
    kyfdx said:

    dukedlm22 said:

    Other than apparently the MF being marked up, am I missing something else here?

    2017 440 x drive grand coupe
    36/10



    Nothing missing. What about DMV fees? Which state, where tax is 2% of selling price?
    Money factor markup adds $19/mo.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    dukedlm22 said:

    This is for NH..there's no sale tax there. I'm not sure why they have nothing for DMV fees. This is a midwest dealer supposedly giving me NH based quotes. I already have plates on my current vehicle but would need a new registration.

    How much would you estimate the price would lower to go from 10k to 7500 miles per month on 36 months?

    kyfdx said:

    dukedlm22 said:

    Other than apparently the MF being marked up, am I missing something else here?

    2017 440 x drive grand coupe
    36/10



    Nothing missing. What about DMV fees? Which state, where tax is 2% of selling price?
    Money factor markup adds $19/mo.
    There is no 7.5K/yr available on this model.

    Since you are out of state, I'm guessing the 2% tax is a local sales tax, that has to be collected, no matter what? Otherwise, there should be no tax. I'd ask about that.
    The tax adds $31/mo. Surely, you could match this deal in NH.

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  • belandybelandy Member Posts: 3
    Hi there,

    Can you please provide the MF and RV for a 430i 36/10 and 36/12, for Northern California?

    Thanks
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 207,825
    belandy said:

    Hi there,

    Can you please provide the MF and RV for a 430i 36/10 and 36/12, for Northern California?

    Thanks

    .00151 MF and 61%/60% residual

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  • tvcham17tvcham17 Member Posts: 57
    2017 BMW 430i

    12/24
    15/24

    12/36
    15/36

    75038

    Should I expect the bank-set residual to lower if the vehicle is a demo/loaner and has around 4600 miles on it?

    You guys have been so beneficial! Thanks!
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 206,211
    tvcham17 said:

    2017 BMW 430i

    12/24
    15/24

    12/36
    15/36

    75038

    Should I expect the bank-set residual to lower if the vehicle is a demo/loaner and has around 4600 miles on it?

    You guys have been so beneficial! Thanks!

    .00152 and 64% (24/15) or 58% (36/15); add 2% for 12K

    Subtract .25 per mile from the calculated residual for the demo miles

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