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We have good friends who have a Toyota Highlander they purchased new in 2003. They returned it for a new one because of a serious mechanically defect that Toyota initially denied existed. Fortunately, the State backed them up and had to threaten Toyota to give them a new Highlander. This one is better, but they have had it to several different dealers with re-current drive train problems.
They have the V-6 version and have never gotten past 18 mpg on the road. At least my CRD gets 30+ on the road.
Doese Prius suffer from Toyota :lemon: Sludge? POS=Toyota Sludge Engine
That was not the discussion. How do you keep the car warm enough to start when it is 40 below zero and no place to plug in the block heater? Even places like MN have areas that are 20-30 below all day while you are at work. Most people in sub-zero cold areas will go out and let the car run for half an hour every 4 hours so the car does not get cold soaked. Can you do that with a Hybrid?
Will it continue to give me grief? Might and then might not. As to the 30+ mpg, believe it and I am not the only one who has obtained such economy.
As for smokey, nope. No smoke, none, nada. As for smell, a tiny bit if you stick your head up the tailpipe. Noise, comes with the territory. It is a diesel and it is sweet music to my ears.
Do you know of any Toyota four or six banger gas that can pull/haul and 800+ pound load up a long multi-mile 18% grade in top gear and accelerate from 60 - 75 without shifting into another gear? I have yet to see one. When you find one that can, I would like to see it.
I know so many people that have had problems with them Libs that they're mighty pissed off.
Every article I read about the CRD claims it is clattery, slow off the line, can't climb hills well etc etc. Would do better with a Toyota 4 runnner 4 sure!
Did not know the Prius had a transmission. LOL!
Per Toyota Motor Company the Prius has: Power Split Device Electronically Controlled Continuously Variable Transmission
What did you think the T was in Planetary CVT? :P
Prius problems
Post some links about what you're claiming. I can point to all the posts about how horrible the CRD really is It's your turn.
I'm well informed regarding the Prius and the CRD, you appear to be well informed on neither.
TORQUE! The Liberty has 295 lb/ft at 1800 RPM. Power galore! The Liberty excels at climbing grades, on road or off.
Actually didn't the Liberty have quite few recalls when it first came out? Liberty CRD was introduced in 2005. There are ZERO recalls for 05 CRD.
PMDuring our test, we were all impressed with the Liberty's seemingly endless torque (typical of a diesel) and its civility (less typical). PM Liberty CRD
Gee kyle, impressed with endless torque and civility, sounds like they do not like it.
Liberty CRD is quicker than V6 Liberty, it is not slow off the line. If you understood diesels at all you would know that they excellent off the line. It's called TORQUE. :surprise:
There are a few people within this forum that have been unhappy with there CRDs but most of that is attributable to their lousy dealer. Even Toyota and Honda have rotten dealers.
Is it noisy? Yes, a little bit but it is a diesel and that little bit of noise comes with the territory. Is it slow? No, but it is not a rocket. 0 - 60 in 10.1 seconds (C&D, 09/2005).
Below is a link to Motorweek's test of the CRD.
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2415.shtml
The CRD is no slouch. I have gone through mountains with my CRD without a problem and no loss of power. BTW, I would like to see those articles you have read.
Go with Honda, at least it is more reliable.
http://www.automallusa.net/2005/honda/odyssey/recalls.html
http://www.automallusa.net/2005/honda/pilot/recalls.html
http://www.automallusa.net/2004/honda/cr-v/recalls.html
http://www.automallusa.net/2004/honda/pilot/recalls.html
http://www.automallusa.net/2004/honda/odyssey/recalls.html
http://www.automallusa.net/2003/honda/cr-v/recalls.html
http://www.automallusa.net/2003/honda/odyssey/recalls.html
Same website has a single recall for the 2005 Liberty with the four speed automatic.
One basically tries to dodge the bullets as much as possible.
suvorbust69
kylecivicsi
carsbikes
hondausa
Too strange how similar the content is to falconone's.
New CRD's are available for less than $20K at Carmax. Now that is a GREAT deal!
Go with Honda, at least it is more reliable 2002 Civic I owned was lemon :lemon: from day 1. It was purchased new and was in ths shop more than any other new vehicle I've ever owned. Thankfully I got rid of it in the first year during the rare time it was not in the shop.
And that's the new math. Mopar = closet case greenie= he love da Prius.
hehehehehehe
Europe thinks that controlling CO2 emissions is more important, and diesels do a better job at that. (Europeans also like them because they're forced to buy very small engines, and small gasoline engines barely have enough torque for their needs.) Environmental engineers here in the US believe that small quantities of NOx are worse than large quantities of CO2.
Not only that, but the particulate emissons of diesels cause local pollution (smog over a city, grime on buildings), and California policymakers prefer to focus on local pollution first. I can understand that... smog is visible, smelly, and now that so many people seem to have allergies and/or asthma it's become a quality of life issue.
Just thought I'd share. I don't think the facts are up for debate; how to weigh the pros/cons against each other is.
After all the EPA and CARB have virtually ignored the big polluters, such as planes, trains, ships, tractors and earth moving equipment.
Now for the bad news- MUDDHA NATURE! How much do you think is emitted by MA nature at places like Yellowstone National Park or the active volcanos as in Hawaii? Geothemo vents deep in the ocean's seabeds, etc etc.
But good point. There's good news... according to the EPA we've significantly reduced every type of air pollution in tons since 1970. Not quite the sort of breakdown I was looking for... my guess would be that all sources except for the aviation and livestock industries have become a lot cleaner. Airplanes... they're probably cleaner individually, but their quantity has increased tremendously.
Ah, here's a trove of information:
US Emissions Inventory 2005
They state that they've excluded volcanos and such (Annex 5). I'd argue that natural processes have been relatively constant and aren't likely to have contributed to the increase in atmospheric greenhouse gasses over the last 200 years. The "In Brief" document shows measures of gasses over the last 1000 years (from ice cores), and it looks like atmospheric gas levels were pretty constant until 1800 or so. Since then CO2's gone up 30%, NOx 17%, and methane 125%. Seeing how the graphs correspond to our industrialization, I'd say it's not the earth's fault. Now, the effects are uncertain, but humanity is using the younger generations' lifetimes as an experiment. We'll see.
So what would say a 100 dollar cost for gasser emissions abatement be for a 100 dollar diesel emissions abatement if the ratio was reversed, i.e., 97% diesel vs less than 3% gassers? While I do not have the figures to show it, if the ratios were more like 50/50 as they are in Europe,I swag the diesels would probably be much better than the gassers insofar as diesel having less emissions than gassers.
Winter and summer are easy; the earth's axis's inclination makes sunlight hit the earth at different angles depending on latitude, so the same light is spread over a larger surface area in winter zones.
Ice ages are a bit uncertain. They've been pretty cyclical, and it looks like a major cause is the earth's inclination and orbit just lining up certain ways every 100,000 years. That leads to some stronger winters or summers, which affects albedo (reflectivity due to more ice/snow) and plant death (which releases CO2). More land mass closer to the poles (as is currently the case) amplifies the effects. Right now we're 10,000 years out of the last ice age, and the length of cycles between ice ages are 12,000, 23,000, 40,000, or 100,000 years depending on who you ask. So we shouldn't expect a natural one anytime soon.
I'd like to see stronger arguments disagreeing with mine. I'm still unsure about all this, but one side has numbers and graphs, and the other side has rhetoric based more on emotion than anything else. I'm not a liberal arts guy, so change your debate strategy.
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2005089
suvorbust69 - 1/31-1/31
kylecivicsi - 1/30-1/30
carsbikes - 1/27-1/29
maybe the poor guy keeps forgetting his login and has to create a new account every time.
could probably add the last poster to that, too ... 1/31-1/31
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
JD Power Jeep Liberty TOP 3 among entry SUVS
Diesel fuel prices have hit an all time high in California, topping San Francisco off at $3.15 per gallon. The national average is only $2.55 per gallon. California truckers are being forced off their interstate highways, unable to compete with trucks driving in from other states with less expensive diesel fuel. “Big rigs can travel nearly 1800 miles on a single fueling, making California the no-fuel zone for out of state trucking companies and negatively impacting the state’s highway revenue,”
“Higher CARB diesel costs have caused a slowdown in California truckers’ replacement of their older
vehicles”, said Jim Ganduglia President of Ganduglia Trucking located in Fresno. “We are priced out of
the market and can’t afford less polluting trucks because California fleet owners must absorb the higher
CARB diesel costs to compete with interstate trucking operations.”
Bad Politics
No big trucks, no services, food, fuel, jobs.
Stupidity at it's best.
Beginning January 2005, new limits were established for the sulfur content of gasoline including;
a Refinery Average Limit of 30ppm, a Corporate Pool Average limit of 90ppm, and a Per-Gallon
Cap of 300ppm.
Sulfur in gasoline
As a result, consumers are unlikely to see new diesel vehicles on the market until the 2008 model year.
We have to wait another year and 1/2? Darn!
And the break-even pricepoint for the coal gasification process is between $25-35 per barrel...
Far less than the $65-70 per barrel the market is currently charging.
So, of course, the US oil companies will NOT build any coal gasification facilities. For that would have them increasing the supply of fuel AND increasing their profits.
Which is, of course, bad. For if it was good for the oil companies to do it, they would do it, yes?
:P
Gotta laugh at the logic our oil companies use... Because if we didn't laugh at it, we'd be crying about it.
Since gassers make up the vast majority of motor vehicles in this country, they will be the biggest contributor to acid rain or nearly so. Coal plants do not help either. Would be nice to see ULSD used for trains, boats, heating, etc. Jet aircraft should also use ULS fuel.
Nice acid trip for the lungs.....
I think if you do some research you will find that the oil companies do not own the bulk of the coal reserves. I think the US government owns most of them. That would require some fancy lobbying to bring those reserves onto the table. It is difficult to get the oil industry to add refineries for gas and diesel. They are playing a game of just producing what we need. Any little glitch like a hurricane throws the whole business into a panic. We pay the price.
If what you say is correct that they can make diesel out of coal for $25-$35 per barrel equivalent. It should not take too long for some enterprise to be formed that will take advantage of that. Right now the price of diesel makes biodiesel feasible and we are seeing an expansion in that product.
These are not low cost projects. The red tape alone can take years to get through our multiple levels of government. Heck I finally gave up on building a 20x30 foot barn on my 5 acres. I had $3500 in environmental & engineering costs and they wanted more studies. Can you imagine if I wanted to build a coal gasification plant.
So "we" have done a great job in regulating things almost completely out of existence. So at times it is best to take the counterintuitive approach.
For those that can remember when Glen Canyon Dam was built. The Sierra Club tried blocking the project. One of the premises was the coal that would be under such a lake would be enough to supply the US coal needs for 25,000 years. I guess we can drain the lake in the next 300 hundred years if we need that coal for diesel....
The Sierra Club with a 25,000 year estimate makes my INXS 300 year reading look like the prognostigation of a serious gloom and doom er, chicken littler, the sky is falling type of protagonist!!