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They had to pick it up in NJ, (I'm in Boston) because of my particular requirements for Livery service. (Black on Black)
They drove it 270 miles and the new engine got 18.3 mpg.
For a V-8, that's not bad.
I'm hopping for better milage once the engine is broken in.
This vehicle is so quiet and the power of the engine is unbelievable. :shades:
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This link compares the Edge to a few:
Comparison Edge/Murano/Endeavor/XL7/SantaFe
Also, Ford's own Freestyle is competitive (better MPG and bigger, too). Also, for a few bucks more, Saturn's Outlook is about to appear on the scene, getting better MPG in a bigger vehicle compared to the Edge. The Outlook has the same tranny but a slightly better 3.6L V6 (lower internal friction and higher horsepower).
The comparison link is interesting, and points out one obvious difference that could make or break my decision (Endeavor and Santa Fe are on my short list). The difference is warranty. If Ford wants to compete with Mitsu and Hyundai, why stick to a 3/36 warranty, when you're espousing the Edge as the highest quality vehicle that you've built in some time? As a consumer, why would I voluntarily throw away the security of two additional years of warranty, just to buy a Ford?
Warranty length has nothing to do with quality. When Hyundai implemented their 10 yr warranty they were at the bottom of the reliability list. Mfrs simply have to figure in the cost of warranty repairs to the overall vehicle cost. More repairs = higher cost to the mfr.
Would you rather have a longer warranty that you need to use or a shorter warranty that you never need to use?
I'd rather have the extra warranty, than have the dealership try and sell me a $2000 warranty for 3 years.
If I had to spend $2000 in repairs in the first 3 years, I'd be pissed off!!!
A warranty that is shorter than the competition causes me to doubt if the vehicle has the level of quality that others do. That's a natural consumer reaction IMHO. A lengthy powertrain warranty alone is insufficient in my books. If you want to play with the rest of the boys, then you've got to ante up when you sit down at the table.
It might be natural but it's also wrong. Hyundai's quality was still at the bottom of the list when it began offering the 10 yr warranty. It just adds more cost to the vehicle.
I agree that it might give certain people the perception of higher quality and I'd like to see Ford go 4/50K across the board as a way to one up the competition instead of just matching it.
Ford also provides 5yr/60,000 road side assistance.
the 10yr/100,000 from Hyundai is a gimmick.
1. the warranty is NOT transferable so it doesn't apply to second owners.
2. After 5yr/60,000 there is a deductible.
3. The average American drives closer to 15,000 miles per year. Accordingly, the 100,000 miles will only last you about 6 2/3 years.
Also, for new Fords, there was a SUBSTANTIAL price reduction on Ford ESP extended warranties after Ford announced the 5/60 powertrain warranty. In most case a 100,000 warranty should be about $1,000.
Mark.
POWERTRAIN PROTECTION Covers most engine & transaxle components
Covers repair or replacement of powertrain components (i.e. selected Engine and Transmission/Transaxle components), originally manufactured or installed by Hyundai that are defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance. Coverage applies to Original Owner only effective with 2004 Model Year and newer model year vehicles. On 1999-2003 Model Years, coverage applies to Original Owner and immediate family members (i.e. wife, husband, daughter, son, stepdaughter, stepson).
Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5 year / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Excludes coverage for vehicles in commercial use (i.e. taxi, route delivery, delivery service, rental, etc.).
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/global/warranty/warranty.aspx
And the 4500 lb BMW X3?
Magazines don't bring these things up to be petty; they bring them up when they think they are significant, and the weight of the Edge is a significant factor, like it or not.
The other problem is there are other vehicles that weigh even more and nobody complains about them being overweight. (all are 6 cylinder AWD models):
Edge - 4282
Acura MDX - 4539
BMW X5 - 4982
VW Touareg - 5168
Typically to get good handling you need a vehicle that comes in at 3500lb or less... You can put wider tires and stiff springs to help a porker like the Edge get around a curve, but at some point either the ride or the wet traction suffers...
An extra 500lb or so is a big deal. It hurts gas milage, handling, acceleration and braking. In general, lighter is always better ( as long as it is built safe )
The original X3 is a good example of this. It is too heavy to be sporty and they put some bone jaring springs on it to make it turn and it got poor reviews and poor sales numbers...
You can scream "wait till you drive it" all you want, but physics will win the argument at some point. To put things into prespective, my old 2000 5.4L V8 Extended Cab F150 tipped the scales at 4600lb. However, it had a spray in bed liner that added about 150lb. And no, it could not be called sporty.
I think the Edge will be a quite, comfortable, roomy little mini van, but it will never be sporty...
P.S. Who would want one without the BAMER moon roof. It is the ONLY cool thing that makes the Edge different from the other mini-van in the market...
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This may push me into the mkx which as ventilated leather and softer seats.
p.s. couldn't test drive as it was the only unit.
Typically to get good handling you need a vehicle that comes in at 3500lb or less... You can put wider tires and stiff springs to help a porker like the Edge get around a curve, but at some point either the ride or the wet traction suffers...
Nope, the X5 is closer to 5,000 lbs. I picked the X3 because depending on the year and publication, curb weights varied from just under 4,000 lbs on up.
I'm just falt astonished that people who have not turned a wheel in the vehicle could be so certain that as to the attributes under all conditions.
The ultra-sporty Volvo XC70 weighs less than 3,700 lbs. Case closed - until you drive one.
Your "case closed" logic is a little flawed. You can easly build a light car that is not at all sporty. You can put in soft springs and shocks and weak sway bars and it will ride big caddy, but not turn worth a darn.
However, the oppsite it far more difficult. It is much easer to make a light vehicle handle bad than it is to make a heavy vehicle handle good.
I will give the Edge a drive, but at 4500lb ( with the BAMER ) there is no way it could be considered sporty. To do so would require a bone jaring spring rate like the guys at BWM tried to pass off on the X3 that weighed at least 500lb less. Also the 200lb of glass in the roof is going to cause body lean and a rather high center of gravity. Unless Ford figured out how to alter the laws of phyisics.
I believe that the Edge will be a plesant and quite vehicle to drive, it will be a great soccer mom grocery getter and a great family vacation long hauler, but I seriously doubt that it will be called sporty.
Commenting on the Top 10 engine award from Wards Automotive, I can't see how the Ford 3.5L is better than the GM 3.6L, as the fuel economy in the GM one is better. The Edge would benefit from the GM 3.6L instead of the one it has. The MPG and acceleration both would go up.
It's all a fine science...plus as we know it, the way the EPA will determine MPG will change next year and the Escape will be one of the new vehicles to get the new "formula".
Overall, I think we were both impressed. Handling, performance, comfort, etc. were all fine. I did notice (and I'm 6 foot) that the hood felt a little long - perhaps I've been driving smaller SUV's for too long. The vehicle was obviously in need of an alignment - it kept drifting a bit to the right on all types of roads. The transmission did tend to hunt a bit when adjusting to a new fixed speed. And I particularly noticed that the steering wheel (for my taste) felt too hard - I'm used to a wheel that has some noticeable give in the wheel covering.
Overall, an enjoyable experience. Our current lease isn't up until mid-summer, so we weren't planning on jumping into an Edge immediately anyway. It will stay on our short list along with a few others, including Santa Fe / Veracruz and RX350.
Nothing on the one i test drove. Nice and straight. And yes I was on crowned roads too. I test drove a base Edge (s-model I believe).. It didn't have the michelin tires, but Hankook (korean) tires.. Maybe that made a difference.
We noticed it consistently on a variety of surfaces, and beginning at typical "city street speed". However it was a gentle veering, and only occurred when I took my hands off the wheel (which I assure you I'm not in the habit of doing frequently). I don't consider it a concern, since I know these vehicles had only been at the dealer for a few days, and had not yet been fully dealer prepped.
So with all said, was the wait worth it? Absolutely. Would I do it all over again? Absolutely.
The wrong way to aim them is to see the rear quarter panels in the mirrors. This results in all three mirrors seeing essentially the same thing. If you're interested, I can send an article on proper mirror aim.
It's good to read your positive reactions to the Edge.
I concur with your assessment!
Most, adjust our mirrors so we see the rear panels.
This is just WRONG!!!!! IMHO!
You should be able to see 180 degrees to the rear between the dash rear view and the side rear view.
I adjust the side rear views far into the lanes on either side, so I can see cars approaching well beyond the side rear panels!
I can still see the vehicle in the rear dash mirror, while they are visable in the side mirror.
Much more visual acuity, than the way most adjust our side mirrors!
Also, by the time the vehicle is next to me, my side view still has the middle/rear of the car, while my peripheral vision, now has it in my field of view.
This, also allows you to check the vehicles behind you frequently, with only eye movement and NOT head movement!!
Remember, head movement is MUCH slower than eye movement!!!!!!
It takes less than a second to DIE at 60 MPH!!!
At 60 MPH, you're traveling @ 88 feet p/second!
At 80 MPH, you're traveling at 120 feet p/second!!!!
(That's quite a few car lengths!!)
I know, most reflexes, are not quick enough to respond at these speeds, (scares the [non-permissible content removed] out of me!!!) especially the way most people drive...that is to say....@ 80 MPH......traveling LESS than the safe stopping distance required between vehicles, if the person up ahead OMG!!!!!...does an unexpected move!!!! (You're Screwed!!!)
If you're driving @ 75 MPH and less than 10 car lengths behind the car in front of you and there's a sudden accident ahead ........you have less than a second to avoid it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Driving livery, to the tune of 75,000 miles a year...
I've found,....
I, like most of us, live life with certain assumptions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One I'm familiar with is....Do the people around us,...KNOW HOW TO DRIVE SAFELY???????!!!!!!
I hope my driving experience helps avoid TROUBLE on the road!!
WOW!!!!!
I guess I had too many beers!!!
Does anyone know how this was done, which technique?
Obviously this would increase the overall transaxle efficiency somewhat but I suspect that its real purpose is to overcome the throttle lag programmed into the DBW, e-throttle, system in earlier FWD vehicles. The 1-2 second delay was to give the transaxle clutches more time to fully seat with the engine at idle and thereby very little ATF pressure.
Comments?
"The 2007 Ford Edge is certainly the kind of vehicle we need in our test fleet. It offers best-in-class horsepower and torque, competitive fuel economy, ULEV-certified air emissions, available all-wheel drive and a treasure trove of safety features."
Long-Term Test: 2007 Ford Edge