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Also requiring a 3 second or more push on the start button to turn the car _off_ is not logical. I read someone post that another vehicle brand has the off occuring if the button is tapped three times.
Two things: I read that Toyota will be incorporating the 3x tap solution for future vehicles with ignition push buttons. The question though is if 3 taps are more logical.
Also, I had previously reported that a read of the new Buick LaCrosse owner's manual made no mention of how to switch off the optional push-button ignition in an emergency situation while driving down the road. (The CX model we had at work had a conventional key, so I couldn't test it.)
He would not do a deal with shims and stuck to his demand.
That's only if you only have UA up until 60 MPH...above that? Thing get even scarier than they already are.
Family cars
Chevrolet Malibu: 16439
Toyota Camry: 15792
Crossover SUVs
Chevrolet Equinox: 9513
Toyota RAV4: 7894
(GMC Terrain: 4302
Note Equinox alone beats RAV4; GMC Terrain which is the same SUV adds additional sales)
Luxury cars
Buick LaCross: 4246
Lexus ES: 2923
Retail sales, including other brands, in the U.S. were 104,122 during the month. This represents a 10 percent decline from a year ago, driven by other brand sales – Pontiac, Saturn, Saab and HUMMER – that were 90 percent lower.
GM dealers delivered 42,703 fleet vehicles, comprising 29 percent of total deliveries for the month.
Fleet Sales Save Industry
But it's important to note the mix here: Retail sales of Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet and GMC were up just 3 percent; in other words, surging fleet sales provided the majority of the good news at General Motors, buoyed by continuing impressive numbers in the midsize crossover segment.
Some people on here can exaggerate the situation going on at Toyota, others are exaggerating Government Motors comeback.
Just putting things into proper perspective. :shades:
Nissan Altima: 18,636
Honda Accord: 20,759
Honda CR-V still beat Equinox by a couple units 9,672
Plus Buick to me is an oddity; GM only had 3 models at the time of bankruptcy with Buick and once loaded up they intrude into several Cadillac model price ranges; Cadillac is GMs true luxury division, not Buick; GM should have gotten rid of Buick and kept Pontiac so that GM could have a sport division which could compete with the likes of Scion and others!
and keep in mind that the cars from Infiniti, Lexus, and Acura are typically several thousand more in price then Buicks and simply on economic principals, and especially the way the economy is, more people can afford to buy Buicks, since their prices are cheaper than a Infiniti, Lexus, and Acura
Here is the better comparison to see how GM compares in the luxury car segment:
Jan 2010: Luxury Cars
CTS: 2,565
MKZ: 1,340
G37: 2,680
ES350: 2,923
TL: 1,986
Genesis:1,670
3-Series: 5,418
C-Class: 4,028
A4: 2,763
So as you can see, GM is doing better than some but most of the Japanese and German companies are far ahead in luxury sales still then GM is!
I've seen prognosticators state that Toyota will lose 5% of the total marketshare. I've seen some say 4%. Fact is, everybody's looking into a crystal ball, but no one knows for sure.
I think it's fair to say that some of that marketshare will go to competitors. Who gets what is anyone's guess, though.
I doubt Toyota will lay down and let it be taken without a fight (or at least, they shouldn't). I expect at some point, they'll launch some sort of campaign to stem the tide of that erosion. Just some ideas...maybe extending their warranties, steep discounts in the form of "loyalty" bonuses, etc.
They'll have to do something to get bodies back into dealerships, though.
In China, now the largest auto market in the world, GM, which has been the No. 1 in market share, saw its Jan 2010 sales grew 97% over Jan 2009 to 219k cars! Ford also doubled its sales in Jan.
At the mean time, Toyota cars fell out of the Top 10 list in China.
I think for the immediate future, Ford, GM, Hyundai, and Nissan are going to benefit the greatest from Toyota's problems, in regards to sales, market share, etc!
A few years ago GM decided to use Buick as a luxury brand to compete the cars like Lexus which emphasis comfort and refinement over the sporty handling; and to use Cadillac as a luxury brand to compete with European cars like BMW which emphasis the sporty handling over the comfort and refinement.
Buick LaCross and Cadillac CTS are the exact results of that strategy. Buick LaCross exceeded Lexus in refinement; several magazines said the term "Lexus quiet" now being replaced by "Buick quiet". Cadillac CTS also won many comparisons against BMW 3 or even 5 series and praised for its superb handling.
it doesn't make sense to me why GM would spend money to have two cars that compete for the same things; get rid of the Buick and spend all your money marketing and enhancing the CTS; the new CTS, and the rest of the Cadillac line are more then enough for GM to compete with BMW, MB, Infiniti, Lexus and all the other luxury brands!!
I have sat and driven in the new Buick LaCross and while its a nice car I did not feel it surpassed Acura or Lexus in regard to refinement or quality; my test car had several squeaks/rattles, and a few misaligned body panels and gaps; one piece of cheap plastic on the center console was even loose; I found none of this when I test drove a ES350! now, when I test drove a CTS, that was a whole other Beast, it was 10x more fun and much better refined than the LaCross and I enjoyed driving it much more than the ES350; there were no squeaks/rattles in the CTS basin, no gaps or misaligned body panels; plus, the ES350 and LaCross can't even touch the kick [non-permissible content removed] sporty exterior body style that the CTS has!
I realize all this is subjective and personal taste but that is how I feel after driving them
Here is an example of the 2010 Toyota Camry:
Thanks for the Friday afternoon laughs man! That just made my week!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Complaints
Mick
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/news/car/10q1/toyota_- - recall_scandal_media_circus_and_stupid_drivers-editorial/3216752-4-eng-US/toyota- - _recall_scandal_media_circus_and_stupid_drivers_-_editorial_cd_articlesmall.jpg">link title
here is a link to the article as well if anyone wants to read it; I think it puts a lot of things in perspective and describes a little bit of what might happen to Toyota because of their problems!
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/10q1/toyota_recall_scandal_media_circus_and- _stupid_drivers-editorial
I hope they tank because what comes around goes around. I still wonder why American's support Japanese companies when we have as good or better here. Lazy dumb American's I guess. If they only knew where their money was going - Japan.
Yes, I know that people will get upset about my comments but I don't care because this is a great time to exploit this company who has tricked the public all these years and now the truth is starting to come out on how American politiicians have been protecting this Japanese company because they have vested interests to protect. Sort of like our former president who went into an illegal war and made a lot of money with stock based in construction, weapons, oil, and who knows what else.
Love it!
You obviously have not played any video games, it should only take you about .4 seconds to push a button three times (less than half a second).
Also, panic is driver error and unacceptable for drivers to panic on our roads.
Land Rover being #1 in complaints makes sense based on the bad word of mouth I've heard about that company. They are #1 to avoid. Chrysler has a lot of complaints too I see..... Honda and Toyota are tops. I don't get Mercedes though, if you factor in Chrysler complaints, maybe they should, it hasn't been that long they were the same group. I know I won't buy a Mercedes due to their former associations with Chrysler.
Toyota said today it's planning a new level of disclosure about car problems beyond what the automaker is legally required to reveal as it seeks to rebuild consumer trust.
The move comes amid intensifying pressure for the automaker's president Akio Toyoda to testify before the U.S. Congress about safety lapses at hearings scheduled later this month. Presently, the highest-ranking company executive slated to attend the hearing is Toyota's North American head, Yoshimi Inaba.
Experts say it's vital that Toyoda appear at the Washington hearings to reverse the perception that the company has been slow to recognize and tackle the safety problems that have led it to recall 8.5 million vehicles.
Toyota got caught. Now they want to show how well they can do. Hmmmmmm.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
"Yeah, most of our cars have problems. Yeah, we've got some serious safety problems with UA and braking issues. Yeah, we're trying to fix them as fast as we can. Yeah, we're sorry."
Other than that, what more would they want to know?
Maybe take their pound of flesh from him? But, the recalls have already drained a sizable chunk out of Toyota's cash reserves....and will continue to as at least some of the myriad of lawsuits will drain them even more.
Toyota's reputation is shot all to hell. If they ever get back to where they once were, it's going to take years. Everybody's going to be watching them like a hawk, consumers, gov't agencies, etc to see if they do indeed keep to their promise of building safer, higher quality vehicles.
So, what more do they want?
Toyota said Friday it will consider upgrading more of its older vehicles with software designed to override the accelerator pedal if the brake is pushed and will also review complaints of sudden acceleration in its Tacoma pickups.
The news came as Toyota announced yet another recall, this time for drive shafts in 8,000 Tacoma pickups.
The pledges from the Japanese automaker came in response to questions from the U.S. House Oversight committee, which is scheduled to hold the first congressional hearing on the automaker's recent recalls on Feb. 24.
Toyota has been under fire after issuing four recalls and expanding a fifth over a few weeks, topping 8 million vehicles worldwide.
Meanwhile Friday, Toyota dealers in metro Detroit began offering an additional $250 to $500 in rebates to keep current customers and pare swollen inventories as the automaker continues repairing about 50,000 gas pedals nationwide every day.
So-called customer loyalty rebates on 2010 Corolla and Camry models increased to $1,750, effective Friday, said Mike LaFontaine, owner of LaFontaine Toyota in Dearborn.
In other Toyota news:
• Inventories of certain recalled models more than doubled from the end of December to the end of January, according to Ward's Automotive Reports. Ward's found that Toyota dealers had an average of 100 days' supply of the Camry sedan as of Jan. 31, up from 40 days a month earlier.
That Kaizen they implement in their factories and the whole business must not be working very well.
>in metro Detroit began offering an additional $250 to $500 in rebates to keep current customers and pare swollen inventories as the automaker continues repairing about 50,000 gas pedals nationwide every day.
>So-called customer loyalty rebates on 2010 Corolla and Camry models increased to $1,750, effective Friday, said Mike LaFontaine, owner of LaFontaine Toyota in Dearborn.
So as a few criticize other companies for offering discounts to toyota owners who don't want more of the same, it's okay for toyota to swell their discounts?
I recall back around the turn of the century when people bragged about how toyota and Honda didn't have to have any discounts because they were so _good_. At least there weren't any that were public, because it seems there were dealer incentives that allowed dealers to pass a dollar or two on to the end customer if they felt like it. If they didn't feel like it, the dealer could just keep the whole discount and the customer paid full freight if they were willing.
Oh what a feeling.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Now, Japan as a country is worried about how this affects their relationship with the U.S. If the Toyota issues were serious before, they're critical, now!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_on_bi_ge/toyota_recall
Toyota has not spent a fraction of what this Congress has spent to rescue the Domestic auto industry. I would say about a $40 billion loss for Toyota should level the playing field. Then Congress can say OK, now you can sell cars again.
Has the NHTSA given the OK to sell the recalled models with the phony Shim Fix? Are the factories here back up to speed? That seems to be hushed up. I should stop by the Toyota dealer and try to buy a Camry.
Not certain about Toyota getting the "OK" for sales of cars with the alleged "shim" fix.
But, it seems they're (quietly) going about with the brake over ride workaround. While I personally think Toyota is going to have eventually rework the code that has caused the UA and braking problems, the brake over ride will at least give owners a relatively easy option if they're engines ever surge out of control.
Also, it sounds like it's a code issue with their Toyota/Lexus hybrid braking problems, too.
So, whichever Toyota dept is writing the code for the acceleration and braking systems, well....if I were Mr. Toyoda, I'd like to have a long chat with those folks.
I still can't figure out why Toyota is being so secretive about installing new code? Moreover, what the new code does. If I were an owner, I'd like to know what they're doing to MY vehicle, why, and what to expect from it. I get the suspicion it's more than just a brake override workaround, though.
Maybe those are some things Congress can ask Mr Toyoda.
The Japanese culture is in direct conflict with what this administration promised. Open government. That should include dealings with business where the consumer's welfare is concerned. This daily new recalls from Toyota, shows a real breakdown in their QC department. So allowing them to submit any data that is not verified by the NHTSA is not in the interest of the US consumer.
As a side note. I don't think the NHTSA has ever safety tested the Sequoia models from Toyota. Did they get assurance from Toyota they were safe? Being an owner of one I would like to know. With all this break down in quality and reliability, I could be driving a death trap and not know it until it is too late. Such as front suspension falling apart at highway speeds. Drive shafts falling off causing catastrophic accidents, as with the 2010 Tacoma.
http://sites.google.com/site/toyotav6oillinescandal/
(Toyota V6 Oil Line Scandal)
It could be a country cultural thing. However, Toyota is multi-national. One would hope that they're familiar with the rules and regs of each country they do business in. The recalls cover a lot of different geographic regions, including Japan. Nissan doesn't seem to have those same "secrecy" issues. Nor does Honda, as best I can tell. Mitsubishi has had their own share of issues with that sort of behavior in the past, though.
Still, I think it's a Toyota issue, not a country culture issue.
I think hiding these issues is the real culprit in being called before Congress.
Just perusing the local newspaper's car ads, I do see where the Toyota dealerships are advertising new Camrys, Corollas, Priuses, etc. Looks like Toyota is doing some sort of loyalty rebate ($500) and offering 0% financing to boot. So, they're selling them, again (at least they're trying to sell them). I don't know how successful they'll be until the smoke clears and Toyota goes into full disclosure mode of how and what they've done to make the cars safe.
Regarding parts suppliers....all they do is manufacture the parts based on Toyota's engineering. If driveshafts are failing, someone within Toyota didn't do any stress analysis (or did it poorly) on the parts before sending it to the manufacturer.
Toyota tried to go down that road already with blaming CTS. That hasn't worked out so well for Toyota. I doubt Toyota will make that same mistake twice.
This sort of mentality is why our Country is in sooo much trouble today. Lets start with the American manufactures. The vast majority of American vehicles are built in Mexico, Canada and now China. What this means to our country is simple. No wages for our people, no taxes for the government. However the profits from the American car manufacturing companies comes here....Oh wait there was no profits.
We had to subsidize GM and Chrysler 80 Billion dollars or they would go under. Ford also lost a lot of money for the year, so no profits there either. In summary the US automakers discontinued a couple of there major brands, closed countless factories putting thousands out of work, closed hundreds of Car Dealerships also putting thousands out of work ( they claim this will make them more competitive and keep prices of there vehicles up )
and received 80 billion of our tax dollars. And had the balls to say that might not be enough.
On the other hand even with problems Toyota and Honda have had of late. Toyota, Honda and Hyundai have invested millions of dollars in building plants and jobs in THIS country. The wages, Taxes ( property/Federal and FICA ) stay in this country. What ever profits they make after there initial investment goes to Japan or Korea . Isn't that the way our system is suppose to work.
American politiicians have been protecting this Japanese company because they have vested interests to protect.
Well Ya!!.. Like there jobs for starters .... How many hundreds of thousand of jobs have been lost over the past couple of years??..We can't afford to lose any more jobs in this country..Because I don't believe many of the lost jobs are coming back any time soon..If ever.
Just for accuracy:From Ford's record losses to Remarkable Profit
Typically, its better to use factual information in discussions such as these.
You are correct about that and I apologize for the error.
It's DANA frame that they didn't use proper rust treament that costs Toyota to recall earlier Tacoma and paying the owner 150% of KBB value. I take Toyota over any other car makers any day when dealing with warranty.
By the way GM Acadia had defective axle few years ago, and Dodge Ram too.