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Really? I need to get my eyes checked. :P
There is some resemblance to 5-series but only on the side profile and behind the C-pillar.
And in fact, that part of the car is very similar to 1998-2002 Accord too (except that the tail lamp now tapers up instead of down). Now I'm trying to find out where you saw Taurus! If you can see an obscure Taurus in the Accord, how could you miss the obvious Sebring, Sentra (prev generation), Corolla, TSX and Avalon in the new 6?
BTW, have you ever heard anybody say that RL is BIG? Thats the size the new Accord is arriving with.
No one can say it's pure anything but mazda. It may resemble the back of a Sebring a tiny bit, but they in no way copied it. I think this might be on the same platform as the Mondeo- either that or the Falcon.
I do think Honda was beat out for styling- every body else to- but that's not the point of a senseble midsize sedan.
The interior looks very good- easily to rival Honda/ Toyota. If Mazda copied anyone, it was Lexus-the styling is really modern, and a little luxury.
I think Mazda hasn't surpassed Honda as the original 6 surpassed the last gen. Accord, but they have upped it in styling.
And there is nothing Honda Accord about the Sonata.
What? My point is that no other "benchmark" does that. So if Chevy wants to play that game, it's gotta "walk the walk..."
Of course, no progressive company sits and watches competition. But, are you really using Pilot as a benchmark in the SUV segment? And once again, comparing the latest to one of the oldest that is about to be refreshed. Does Honda create another benchmark? We will see in a few months.
It was a benchmark in the midsize CUV market, but judging by the new MDX, I'd guess even after the redesign it won't be no. 1 on anyone's list anymore.
And the BMW,
Accord’s rear end treatment from the side is very much like RL’s, a bit more angular but not as much as 5-series. In all three cases, the tail lamp tapers to flow at the same angle as the C-pillar, and not unlike Honda’s own Acura CL from ten years ago.
But then, Honda went to you and told you that they copied BMW. Soon after, it seems, Mazda told you it didn’t even look at Sebring, Corolla, or the old Acura CL. And no, they didn’t take a second look at an Acura concept from 12 years ago either, for inspiration for the headlamp.
Heck, Honda went far enough to copy 2005 Sonata for the nose on its 1998 Accord, much less steal the tail design for 2003 model. And you say there is nothing Honda Accord about Sonata? You must not have seen the 2005+ model.
That would make for an amazing calendar. Or perhaps a story for yet another sequel of “Back to the Future”.
This discussion makes sense in another thread. But then, your argument makes no sense. Let us leave it at that.
As for Malibu, is it really better than Aura? I predict softer and less agile, and certainly won't boast higher quality. Would it?
Honda leads the way for quality automobiles. Honda stands behind their product. Honda treats customers with respect. Honda uses high quality parts, and assembles them in a highly workmanlike manner.
To be honest, my 2003 Accord Coupe LX V6 was nothing short of "stellar!" Not perfect, but still damn good!
I'd say between the Accord and the Mazda 6 along with the Camry and Altima, there is going to be quite a dogfight for sales this fall. :shades:
- Tire pressure monitor.
- Hand-free cell phone console/ Blue-tooth Navi. (used to be installed in Acura TL and up). Honda/ Acura voice activated NAVI is best.
- Price is better if buyers can wait for a little longer. I had to pay MSRP for my Accord hybrid. After a year or so price dropped about $1K+.
- Honda's weakness is road noise. Hopefully, this issue will be significantly improved on this model.
- VCM (6,4,3 cylinders at time) is not new technology.
- Dont know about timing belt?
- Big car' power at a an I4's fuel consumption.
- $35K+ out the door for sure for a V6 EX including NAVI.
Does the 2008 Accord has front and back parking sensors ??
Lou
This is exactly the Honda bias I am talking about. Honda makes good quality cars- true. They are a good benchmark, butnot the only ones. They are not the leaders, either. We all have our own oppinion, but you it's main competitor, Toyota. And recently, Ford surpased them, and all other brands in a 2007 JD quality study (one where they tested the quality of cars, not assembly plants).
Other brands out there are just as respectable.
Accord’s rear end treatment from the side is very much like RL’s, a bit more angular but not as much as 5-series. In all three cases, the tail lamp tapers to flow at the same angle as the C-pillar, and not unlike Honda’s own Acura CL from ten years ago.
The irony is funny. You tell me what the rear end of the accord is and isn't, and then you call me out for making a statment that we truely don't know where the inspiration for a car came from.
Heck, Honda went far enough to copy 2005 Sonata for the nose on its 1998 Accord, much less steal the tail design for 2003 model.
I said nothing thaat could be interpreted as "Honda copied Hyundai". But I know plenty who would say the Sonata looks little like the Accord- which we have proved to have little originality itself.
Think before you post.
I was responding to a part of your post, though it did get a little off topic. But hey- you say things and mean something totally different. We could leave it there.
As for Malibu, is it really better than Aura? I predict softer and less agile, and certainly won't boast higher quality. Would it?
Do you really know? Oh, yeah, I forgot, you are part of Chevy's pre production test crew. YOu have no clue what is an improvement, and what is not. Then again, since the Malibu is being released over a year after the Aura, it will definitely be of higher qaulity (seen pictures) and performance will probably be best of the group, seeing as the 3.6 liter engine gets high marks with testers in other GM vehicles. comfort will probably be on par with other competitors, INCLUDING the Accord.
I disagree with your conclusion, and your data support the opposite. The rational consumer comparing a used BMW/Mercedes to a used Honda would see, 1) the significantly higher repair incidence of the two 'premium' brands, and 2) the outrageous maintenance/repair costs of those same brands. Both of those major negatives would be reflected in the relative resale values (i.e., higher depreciation) of them vs. Honda.
I have a friend for whom repairing his used Mercedes is a hobby that occupies most weekends. :lemon:
My Honda just takes me where I want to go...how boring. :shades:
I am not sure. Probably not. But Accord '08 has lot of additional safety features. I love VCM, EBD, VSA and dual chamber air bags for all riders inside, Bluetooth NAVI, MP3, hand free for cell phone, 1inch lower for better "gravity", 268HP, 238 Torque, 270 watt stereo, roomier inside. My Accord hybrid '05 loves negotiating the toughest winding narrow roads. Its NAVI is awesome. That's why my son "stole" it from me. I expect the Accord '08 does same. For the '08 I will have to buy the NAVI too.
It's really worth the money if one can afford buying it. I just checked pricing on some similar-class Volvo cars. The Volvo cars are less sophisticated with much less features. Yet prices are about $10K more. And they look ugly. Go for the Accord, Lou. I probably will buy it in September 2008 to get some discount and my wife wont get MADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD because her "antique" I4 Accord sill runs OK. I had to replace the engine and suspensions at 200K miles so it runs "great" for her. It is 12 years and 6 months old. I plan to repaint it and sell it. The second engine is good. Most other parts are original.
LONG LIVE HONDA INC., HONDA TOP-NOTCH ENGINEERS AND HONDA EXCELLENT MANAGEMENT.
Of course resale is a reflection of quality. People who are buying a 3-5 year old car are often looking for a vehicle the can use for another 3-5 years. The reason Honda vehicles have such high resale value is due to the experience of thousands and thousands of buyers who have used Honda (no matter what model) that has been 4-9 years old and have had minimal repairs.
The Big three domestic brands have lower resale value because again thousands of people have experience with using those cars in the 4-9 year range and there has been more repairs and more major problems.
GM can come out with all of the flashy designs they want (as they have in the past), but until they consistently have all of their cars perform much better in that 4-9 year range, their resale won't improve. It would take probably a decade of producing long-term quality cars before things would have a chance of balancing out.
Does the 2008 Accord has front and back parking sensors ??
If you go to this page and scroll down you will see that the Accord will have as an accessory a Back-Up Sensor Kit that apparently can be installed on any trim level of the 2008 Accord.
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/honda_accord_4dr_accessories/2008_accord_electr- - onics.htm
That web page also shows that Accords with Navigation can also add a Rear-View Camera Kit.
Accord ’08 additional features that have yet been mentioned in my previous posts:
- XM Satellite radio, 6 CD changer/ MP3 / WMA ® Playback, Radio Data System
- Pedestrian Safety feature
- Active Front head restraints
- PZEV (Partial Zero Emission Vehicle), 3.5 liters I-VTEC engine for extra smoothness. 268HP, 248 lb-ft torque, ULEV-2. Fast like a greyhound.
- EBD with Brake Assist, 4 disc brakes, VCM, VSA, TCS, ABS
- Dynamic Engine Mounting
- 1 inch lower center of gravity
- Uni-body construction (no many small pieces “soldered” together for body) makes body stronger
- ACE (Active Compatibility Engineering) to deal with head-on crashes against different-size/ height cars.
- Interior is 3.3 cb ft roomier than previous Accord
- Active Noise Control (ANC) make this ’08 model quieter
- Bigger gas tank (18.5 gallons)
- Steering-wheel Audio Control
- Auto dimming lights inside
- Compass
- New frame rail system
Accord 2008 is again a SPORT SEDAN, not an ugly sedan. You better feel the way it handles the tough, narrow winding roads. I got that nice feeling with my Accord hybrid. Elderly slow people drive Camry, sport gentlemen/ women drive fast Honda/ Acura. Accord ’08 is an 8th generation Accord.
Lou,
Go for it. I have been planting various flowers and trees in my yard including special flowers extracting nice fragrance at night. After work when getting home I relax drinking tea and coffee. If I do not have 2 teenagers in college now I can buy the '08 right now. Issues are kids are still kids with lot of noises and friends who come to my home at 1 or 2AM in mornings even though one kid is going to graduate next year. Still, there is lot of headache for their extravaganza expenses.
I have had 5 Honda cars and a number of Honda motorcycles during my 40 years. Honda is always a leader in innovative technology. I rather buy this Accord '08 than the Acura TL with worse MPG. Enjoy hi-tech Honda and retire soon before we may have to go to hospital for heart bypass or even sudden death like my friend now. Life is so short. It's even shorter with ugly and unkind in-laws.
Thank you for Accord '08's super nice pictures. You are right "4" is new in 6,4,3 VCM technology. You know a lot about Accord/ Acura. You must be about my age. New Accord '08 looks very elegant for "middle-class folks". Now, issue is how to convince wife to buy that one to "enrich" my fleet of Accords.
Also curious regarding the instrument cluster lighting color/scheme. Any word on that?
Regarding price point - for me, I'm inclined to go with the EX trim line and normally prefer the V6 performance. But with a 190hp 4, I'll at least take it for a spin to see how it feels. (The 4 in my wife's '05 CR-V is a great engine, but not at all fleet of foot, and the new Accord is now closer in weight.) That said, if I'm pushing $31-32K for an EX V6, I'll also visit my Acura dealer to at least look at the TL that lists for around $33k. While the '08 Accord may more closely resemble an Acura, if the price is that close to a TL, then why not see what I can do to get a competitive price on the full meal deal. Biggest downside to Acura is premium fuel engine. My '01 Maxima drinks that and I'm questioning - for my use - whether the long-term performance value justifies the extra annual fuel cost. (Before someone even mentions this - it is not smart to use lower octane in an engine designed for 91+ fuel.)
Cheers, all!
These are lighted on my 06 Accord EX-L. I believe that the windows were only lighted on the EX model.
-Doug
I remember the preivous 626 and Milennia having that peake nose look
No that there so many more functions, they need lighting so you can tell them apart and remember where they all are.
It was MY2001 when Millenia and 626 got the pointy nose. 1999 TL had it. 1999 Odyssey had it. Civic has had it since 1996. CL since 1997. The penta-grill/pointy nose started with 1995 Acura CL-X (picture). While at it, take note the shape of the headlamps too, and compare it to the new Mazda6. And, I remember conversation in these boards about how the new Millenia looked like the 1999 TL.
Next year, we might be talking that Acura copied the cladding/cut in the lower part of the doors from the new Mazda6 (disregarding the fact that Honda has been doing it since 1997 Prelude, and has it in TSX as well as TL). Its just the way things are.
The location and little details (the dots), plus careful thinking like raised button versus flushed (as in Cruise on/off) make things impressively easy to operate without requiring even a glance.
This is why I don't understand test reviewers complain about number of buttons. They seem to get intimidated by number of buttons, and forget the functional aspect of it. In the worst case, the dash in most Hondas require only a quick glance to access a function (unless NAV related which shouldn't be handled while driving anyway, except voice controls).
That's not the prices that I've been seeing. According to this NY Times article:
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/30/2008-honda-accord-is-a-game-changer/
"But a spokesman for Honda, which hasn’t yet released pricing, tells me that prices will range from $20,000 to $30,000 — with my car at the top end of the range."
Acura pricing for a TL with Nav 5AT $36,225
Source:
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/794/releases/4046
Seems like a big difference to me.
The 1st generation Acura Legend has taught me a valuable lesson in that regard. I enjoy the rise in power from 3000 to 4000 rpm. It gives you this indescribable feeling. Passing is a breeze - 60-75mph takes literally 3 seconds. That same engine was used in the 5th generation Accord V6. I believe a test drive is important and cannot be deterred by the perception of max hp or torque.
I'm young, but I'm learning to enjoy life as much as I can. I've only driven 2 cars in my entire life and I would like an I4 manual as my third. If I turn the A/C off, drive steadily, etc, I think 40mpg is attainable... like back in 1983! At other times, such as after a paycheck, I would prefer some moderate acceleration.
The 190 HP engine is also geared shorter in the middle gears with automatic transmission compared to 177 HP. Manual transmission is identical. Since it is a higher revving engine, I would have liked to see Honda use 6AT with the 190 HP motor to really maximize its potential.
Gains may be somewhat negated by added weight though. The first drive impressions are positive for the 190 HP version. One review said it felt more responsive and stronger in low-midrange than in TSX (auto).
The only way Accord and TL cost the same is if one pays listed invoice on the Acura (I did, over a year ago), and full sticker on Accord (I didn't, when MY1998 Accord came around... listed invoice was it).
If top of the line Accord has an MSRP of about $30K, the listed invoice will be about $27.5K.
Thank you for all the information.
Lou
Sure is. I see those new Altimas everywhere. I looked at one close the other day and it really seemed cheap. The Camry is everywhere as well. I'm sure the Accord will be setting sales records with theirs, and I know Mazda will too.
Looks like the day's of domestics are getting shorter and shorter!
So...I'm anticipating a TL w/o would be around $33k list, and buying a low mileage (under 30k) "previously owned" unit might be feasible around $28-30k. New Accord EX V6 w/o Nav, I would hope for around $28-29k. But, as noted, not sure if I'm willing to go again with a premium fuel-based car. Unless something unplanned occurs, I won't be seriously shopping until after winter.
But I do love the sport sedan like the Accord '08. I was pretty much happy with the Accord hybrid '05 I bought but I had to yield it to my "stubborn" 17 1/2 year old freshman college son. I had to fight like hell in traffic courts for his tickets. Also, the thought of having to buy a new electric battery in the next few years for this Accord hybrid makes me nervous.
This time I will have to buy a special Honda/ Acura for me. I love the Accord '08 or '09 dearly unless the Acura TL '09 can give me a boost on mileage per gallon and some new revampments. Unluckily, I am still a frugal and conservative driver.
I also want to know how the Active Noise Control might function. I don't think it can accommodate with nosier tires. A personal bias of my own is that I do not want to have "GOODYEAR INTEGRITY" on my vehicle. I will sell them immediately.
Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) works by producing completely out of phase "noise" signals to negate noise. Its effectiveness depends on the frequencies that have been chosen.
Honda geneally puts Michelins in Accords... expensive, high quality and long lasting but not really quiet (especially on certain kind of road surfaces). A softer compound tire generally works better. But, that may or may not be an issue with the new Accord.
Excellent!
Several years ago I purchased the Camry instead of the Accord, mostly because of what I perceived as a quieter ride. However, my Camry was just totaled, so I'm unexpectedly "in the market". This new Accord looks nice. I'm looking foreword to driving it.
Concerning the VCM(variable cylinder management), I have had no problems with the system on my '06 Odyssey(21k miles). I can't tell when it switches from 3 to 6 or back to 3 cylinders unless I am specifically focusing on it.
I think the new 6-4-3 VCM is a good idea because often times, at highway speeds, the VCM on the Odyssey goes on and off. At 70mph the VCM turns off at the slightest hint of a hill. The 3 cylinders just aren't quite enough power. In fact, I kind of wish Honda had just switched to a 6-4 VCM and forgotten about a 6-4-3. For me, it just makes the system unnecessarily more complex. I realize Honda says the 3 cylinder option is for slower city driving, and for that it works well in the Odyssey, but I get the feeling it was done to help eek out some mileage on the EPA test. I would prefer a simple 6-4 system. Ultimately, if the 6-4-3 VCM is reliable that's the most important thing. Just my .02.
In the Odyssey there is an "ECO" light that illuminates when it's operating on 3 cylinders. Has anyone heard if the Accord is similar? It would be neat if you were able to distinguish between all three modes.
I can't wait to drive the car.
The ride of a Camry was better anyway because the Camry had a comfortable ride and the Accord was bumpy.
Especially for the drivers that can only read braille.
Mack
Yep.
Better than carrying a magnifying glass, while the driver in the next lane is screaming...
Now only if more cars could be as intuitively designed, and more people could figure them out.