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I feel exact opposite. It is connection and feel that makes me want to drive, and drive with confidence. And I probably drive longer distances, usually all by myself, than anybody else around. Not many that I know would embark on a 4500 mile road trip from Dallas to Seattle and back, alone, and do it anytime an opportunity strikes.
I hated driving a Sonata on one of those trips. That car wasn’t exactly cushy (still closer to Camry not so much to Accord), but disconnected and I now get a laugh out of how an Odyssey overtook me in the canyons in Oregon when I thought I was going at or slightly above speed limit (70 mph). When that vehicle over took me, I looked at my speed. The needle was below 65 mph, but the car felt faster. Never an issue in my Accord or TL, they ride like on rails at 80 mph or above, canyon roads or not. And they will deliver useful information on road conditions and traction to add to the confidence instead of an element of surprise.
I also prefer the one-bounce-settle suspension trick in Honda and Acura vehicles. Go over a bump, and the chassis settles immediately after, instead of resonating bounce that soft riding cars exhibit. Lack of double wishbones makes it worse, in cars like Camry and Avalon, the wheels lose their angle over bumps and can be rather unsettling. Avalon will usually understeer but it is also prone to snap oversteer, I once had the pleasure of experiencing it in a rental, fortunately, it was nothing beyond an "unsettling" experience. Perhaps I was driving it like I do my Accord, and I was
if you can't see the 5 series/rl similarities, you must be kinda blind, and should abstinate from operating a vehicle in general.
someone mentioned the slow sales of the rl and how that wouldn't translate well in making the new accord look like it. If i remember correctly, the rl does look good, and its slow sales reflect a feature content/power defecit when compared to other flagship luxury sedans. In one edmunds review, someone who spotted the rl loved it, but just thought it looked like what the new accord would.
I think the car looks fantastic. The mazda6 looks like its trying a little too hard. i'm sure it will be a great car, but it only looks 'sportier' not 'classier' this can be said of the civic in comparision to the 3 as well.
and it will still have a mazda interior unfortunately.
2008 Accord Pricing
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Seriously! But I think it's way more bimmer than acura. This looks better than the RL, too. Put the A on this, and it looks sportier than the slightly stale RL design.
I think the car looks fantastic. The mazda6 looks like its trying a little too hard. i'm sure it will be a great car, but it only looks 'sportier' not 'classier' this can be said of the civic in comparision to the 3 as well.
I have to disagree with that. Honda looks like they tried way too hard. They copied the 5 right down to the wheels. It's almost a little cheesy to me. I think Mazda didn't take the copy aproach and designed a car that reminded you of the Lexus design. It's a classier look than its predescesor, and still sporty. They didn't try to give up their sporty identity to go for the classier look they have, whereas Honda, who never really established a look (none of their cars look the same- you know, how you can look at the crappy 3bar grille and say 'thats a Ford'), went in a totally different direction.
And if you've sat in a CX-9 lately, you'll notice mazda has greatly stepped up its interior. It's not world class, but it must have been enough to help Motortrend say it beat an Acura.
Too bad this 6 (if the rumors are true) isn't for the US.
The front end looks sharp but the back end I though is ugly. Overall its better and larger on the inside when compared to the previous gen. I sat inside one of them and they seemed comofrtable and the interior is spacious and beautiful. The back was spacious and more comfortable. Thank god the seats are softer than the previous gen. Its new now so the shape and design take some time to grow on you but overall it seemed like a nice car and should be winner for the Honda.The front end looks pretty.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0710_2008_honda_accord_vs_2007_to- yota_camry
I've been trying to slice and dice the prices as I try to figure out which model I might most be interested in trying to get.
The 08 LX manual is, I think, a great deal at $20,995 with destination. I think the 07 lx manual lists for 20,720, a difference of less than 300 bucks. And for that you get 16" tires on the 08, VSA with traction control, brake assist, ACE, more room, new style, 177 hp engine, etc., etc. That's an awful lot more for only a bit more money.
The model I might be interested in is the 08 EXL manual with Navi, which I think lists for 27,895 with destination. It basically comes down to a $6900 option package when compared to the LX. I'm trying to figure out is it really worth 7 grand. I came up with a silly little list, trying to figure out what each of the additional features on the exl with navi would be worth. I know from the list that the navi with bluetooth lists for 2200. For the rest, I'm just guessing, and I imagine sometimes I'm guessing a little high. Anyway, here's what I came up with:
08 LX with manual $20,995
EXL manual with Navi
list:$27,895
Navi & Bluetooth 2200
heated leather seats 900
Moonroof 900
270 watt 5 disc xm stereo 700
(the stereo means a lot to me)
190 hp engine 500
17” Allow wheels & tires 500
dual zone climate control 500
Power seat 400
premium interior 300
Active Noise Cancellation 200
Security system 200
Heated mirrors 200
Auto dimming mirror 200
Auto on/off headlights 100
Exterior temperature 50
Ambient lighting 50
Illuminated window switches 50
Chrome exhaust 50
(have I missed anything?)
If I'm adding right I think the total comes to $8000.
So, if my figures are even remotely close this $6900 option package is probably "worth it."
It's interesting that this particular model has gone up by a lot more than $300 compared to the 07. The 07 exl navi lists for $26,850, and so there's been about a 1000 increase on this model. The bluetooth and new navi system count for some of that, plus vsa, brake assist, ANC, and the premium stereo. And if you add in ACE, more room, new style, etc., it all does seem worth it even at 1k more. But it's not quite a "price cut" like it seems to be on the base LX.
I know, I've gone crazy on this post. There's some work I'm trying to avoid right now, and so this was for fun...
worth at least 200?
They are not as nice as built-in, but it is not as if they are anwhere near the same price either.
If a portable unit cost $2000, I would get built-in for the same price for some convenience, but portable units cost so much less. Plus it is so nice to be able to move the portable units to other cars such as rentals.
If you want to spend $2200 on nav for the luxury of it like spending $2200 on a watch just because you can, then fine for you.
And it costs "only" $2200 if you were going to get an EX-L anyway.
For everyone else who was going to get any lower end model, they would be forced to get thousands of dollars of other options they weren't interested in just so they can have nav system for directions.
It's pretty easy to get a $30k Accord now. :surprise:
DrFill
I have not checked to see if the 08 has arrived at the dealership, I almost want to wait til their closed, so I am not bothered. I am going to check today. Tonight I'll stop by. if they have 1, its on the showroom floor!
link title
98% of driving situations, will an EX V6 handle as well as a BMW 3 series, especially in emergency maneuvers?
That's kind of a weird question since emergency maneuvers are totally unlike 98% of driving situations but the Accord will not handle like the 3-series.
First of all the 3 series is a rear wheel drive so it 'pushes' rather than 'pulls'. That means that there is a better balance when maneuvering. Corners and sharp wheel turns will feel very different in the 3-series. That does not mean the Accord cannot maneuver well, just that you will work harder to achieve the same result.
Second, the 3-series is recognized as the greatest handling production sports sedan in the market. You are holding the Accord up against the stiffest competitor possible. There is really NO car out there that will handle as well as a 3-series.
Third, for 98% of driving situations, the Accord is a great car.
The link that Bristol 2 gave you is for the older 2007 model. To see the difference between the EX and LX for 2008, look at these charts:
Sedan:
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/812/releases/4103
Coupe:
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/812/releases/4102
Call me Takumi Fujiwara :shades:
Thanks, i was out of date....or will be soon.
Respecting that this is not the right forum....that would be 'atypical'. That IS goes fast for sure but Lexus is not exactly known for road feel.
I have an '05 EX-L sedan (5 speed), and the power seat was a deal breaker for me. I did however want the XM too, but I probably could have worked around that.
Now, every time I have to sit on hot black leather, I wish it had the cloth! So, for me, if I was to trade up, it would be to an EX, and I could invest some of the savings into an XM upgrade (since it could be built in), or just buy a portable.
I'm surprised they didn't add Homelink to the 4 cyl EXl at least, but I have gotten used to not having that (although my 1998 Maxima had it!)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I agree. Back in 1998, Accord EXV6 had it, EX-L didn't, so it is a status quo. I wish it did. Homelink works much better (in my TL) than does the remote I have in my 1998 EX-L.
and even then, you still have no 'feel.'
in what way? they made a better car, and gave it a new face. nothing wrong with that. it has no air of 'i'm a mazda, therefore i MUST be zoom-zoom, i MUST be sporty' like the 6 does.
They copied the 5 right down to the wheels. It's almost a little cheesy to me.
being a big advocate of the 'to each his own' approach, i have to ignore the cheesiness you percieve, and look at the facts; many wheels have spokes, and many wheels have similarities, to call honda out on it is typical honda over-scrutinizing.
My comments on 'seeing the bimmer' in the new accord where not to the affect of 'it IS a bmw!' but more to encourage the obvious fact that there is a lot of tuetonic poise in the new accord; something that you can't find in ANY hyundai.
think Mazda didn't take the copy aproach and designed a car that reminded you of the Lexus design.
if the new 6 reminds you of a lexus, than the accord has done nothing but 'remind' us of a BMW. where is the wrong in that? Not to mention that this statement is a bit oxymoronish to begin with.
They didn't try to give up their sporty identity to go for the classier look they have,
you feel that honda did? the new civic is WORLDS sportier than the previous generation, and this new accord follows that theme. But they have hardly sacrificed 'sportiness'. if anything, they have united class and sportiness into a very well balanced line of vehicles.
honda never really established a look.
not true. they aren't nissan or anything, but most hondaphiles could tell you the obvious similarities. You don't need to have a big mazda nose on all your cars to show they are a 'family'.
EX auto: 17.9 lb/hp , 21.04 lb/lb-ft
I estimate the 0-60 time is almost identical where EX could be faster by .1-.2 sec.
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/honda_accord_2dr_accessories/03_05_interior.htm-
http://www.diyhonda.com/podcasts/homelink.wmv
When I bought the car, I asked about adding the homelink, figuring that it was a plug in like this, and they said it couldn't be done, parts weren't there, etc. I never bothered to check.
At this point, I don't think it is worth $200 to put it in. I have the openers on the visor already, and they even sorta color match, so I can live with them.
But, if I got an '08, once the option is available, I know that I could get the cloth EX and add XM and Homelink, giving me the only options the EXL has that I really want (although I guess the fancy stereo might be nice, but I could add a sub too if I wanted..)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I hate mushy suspensions of any car. Once I test drove my uncle's old-model Corolla 1977 or something. Afer going over a bump, front shocks bounced up and down many times. It head bowed down, suspensions weakly bounced up and down. HATEEEEEEEE IT !
Can't believe that none of the big time car publications haven't had one for at least a few weeks now. If I'm tempted to take the plunge, I'd like to know of any quirks others have found after a few weeks.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
The voice activated navi clearly needs training and extremely clear enunciation. When I said "nearest restaurant" that navi system replied in a female voice "Rear defroster on!" This made my kids in the back seat crack up. When I said something about "hospital" it said "audio system on!" Then the kids really went wild. My wife said my California accent was perhaps the problem. I was trying to speak slowly and clearly, but I'm sure it was my fault.
The dash controls look complicated on the exl navi, but I imagine I could get used to them. It's not much like my 02 LX, that's for sure.
I drove it carefully and slowly, but from what I could tell the engine and handling were both good. It was noticeably quieter than my 02, and easier to have a conversation with those in the back seat.
I thought the rear seat accomodations were excellent, with plenty of headroom for most people even with the moonroof.
Overall, thumbs up! I think I may well get one...
I've read those, but they were all pretty superficial. The MT had a lot of benchmarks, but not that interest in those. Want to know how well the car wore with them. None seemed to be the category of: I took this car home for a few weeks and this is what I like and this is what I didn't.
How was the ride compared to the old model in terms of smoothness? My problem with the old ride was feeling almost every imperfection and joint on the interstate.
Maybe 5% of Camrys are CE, but Toyota can use that against Accord, which doesn't compete below $20k anymore.
DrFill
This article in the NY times said:
"The Times will have a full review by Christopher Jensen in a few weeks; he has had seat time in several Accords, and has spent considerably more time analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of the line. I’ll defer a detailed judgment to him."
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/30/2008-honda-accord-is-a-game-changer/
That's all I've seen regarding a more in-depth article.
I was just checking the spec sheet, and with the EX Coupe you get the 270 watt 7 speaker system,
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/812/releases/4102
but with the EX Sedan you get the 160 watt 6 speaker system. That's strange...
By the way, I couldn't find specs for the XM add on for either the 2007 model or the new 2008 model. I checked the official Honda web-site on the 2007 model and I couldn't find it either. Do you know where this add-on is sold?
Collegehillshonda.com has a XM add-on for the civic and I didn't like it. Instead of having a roof mounted antenna, it mounts it's antenna on the inside of the windshield.
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/honda_civic_4dr_accessories/06_07_civic_electro- nics.htm
If that's what they sell for the Accord, I wouldn't get it...