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I had no idea.
Haven't had much luck with their appliances. Fridge lost an ice maker and still frosts up, dishwasher broke entirely, and the microwave broke a 2nd time and we replaced that as well.
Nowadays I avoid that brand.
GM sold the Fridigaire brand in 1979 - doubt your appliances had anything to do with GM.
GM -> Frigidaire
Ford -> Philco
Chrysler -> Airtemp
AMC -> Kelvinator
I would bet there are still some UAW holdovers that are still there, sabotaging the product as always...
If that's the case, there were probably some former [non-permissible content removed] still building Benzes in the '80's and former Tojo henchmen building Toyotas then too.
It's all relative.
It could become illegal to resell your iPhone 4, car or family antiques
The Supreme Court is scheduled to hear oral arguments on the case on Oct. 29.
Both Ammori and Band worry that a decision in favor of the lower court would lead to some strange, even absurd consequences. For example, it could become an incentive for manufacturers to have everything produced overseas because they would be able to control every resale.
It could also become a weighty issue for auto trade-ins and resales, considering about 40% of most U.S.-made cars carry technology and parts that were made overseas.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/your-right-to-resell-your-own-stuff-is-in-peril- -2012-10-04
I was watching a show on animal planet about the circle of life and a dead hippo and elephant carcass was feeding a lot of wildlife. I then realized that calling them maggots was far too complimentary.
There were thousands of maggots on the carcasses, but I realized that UAW workers were less productive than the maggots, as the maggots perform a vital service and function of cleaning up the waste of the world; whereas UAW workers make the waste themselves. :shades:
That'll never change, though, so no sense complaining.
When the Ranger was stopped in December 2011, it had already sold 70,000 models that year. Compact pickups are still a significant segment, with Rangers still being sold off Ford lots today.
Toyota and Nissan now stand un-opposed; with Toyota selling more than 12,000 Tacoma’s this past month alone. That shows that there are still buyers in the compact pickup market, and that a proper small pickup is still more important to truck-buyers than something like the Honda Ridgeline (which couldn’t sell more than 1,000 last month.)
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/09/where-did-the-compact-pickups-go.html- #more-157859
They're probably too close in size to the F150 now, though.
The managers pulling the strings, the engineers planning obsolescence, and the assemblers all share blame.
I used to say the only redeeming feature on the car was the engine, but since I've found out head gasket repair at 40-45K miles could be considered a powertrain/engine issue, I can't even say that.
I never replaced the seats, the trunk liner (though I had to realign it a couple times), and......
It's easier for me to list parts that were replaced.
I can't say that about same-era Hondas I see...rustout above where the rear plastic bumper wraps around the side. Same with the previous-generation Dodge trucks...big holes above the rear wheel openings.
Scoreboard = 3
I did the same search for Honda Civics:
Scoreboard = 45
45-3 = game over for Dodge.
So much for your theory.
45-3
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Did the Civic outsell the Neon by 15 times? A good question, but I don't know the answer to.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
All this means is that more folks want to sell their Civics!
I'm talkin' cars on the road here.
Do you really want try and argue Neon owners are happier and more satisfied than Civic owners??? Last I checked, Chrysler was on bailout #2 working on 3 and Honda is just fine.
You are implying the amount of cars for sale isn't reflective of those left on the road, but I don't see any logical arguments as to why that wouldn't be the case here!!! Feel free to try. I have a feeling they will all be pure malarkey!
I think old Neons are apparently cheap to buy, cheap to fix and that is the reason I see so many here in salty NE Ohio.
Well I'll agree they're cheap. I don't see many Neons on the road around here. Not that it means anything. I know several people happily driving older high mileage vehicles which I wouldn't tolerate on a daily basis.
My FIL is content with his 95 Tahoe with 180k. To me it should be crushed. It drives like crap, stinks when it runs, a/c doesn't work, power seats and power locks blow fuses constantly, and leaks oil on my driveway. But the truck runs. So I guess that can count towards being the most dependable trucks on the road. But most people would have dumped it 10 years ago.
I owned a '95 Neon Sport 2dr. Not the worst car I've owned, but from my experience, a Civic of that period was a better car overall. At least based on my comparison with a buddies '94 Civic Si that he owned when I had my Neon. I had the Neon for 3 years and 75k miles. Nothing horrible happened, but it certainly was in the shop for lots of little things. Plus by 75k miles it started to degrade fast.
Civics were certainly more reliable overall. IIRC the Neon had more room.
My brother had a nearly new first gen coupe, a 96 I think. He hated it after awhile, and that's saying something when his previous car was a K-car. He was happy when it got hit and totaled, and replaced by a Subaru.
Ditto Apple, Microsoft.
Take something "simple" like Hershey that exists to sell candy bars to generate profits to run all the homes for wayward kids. They have at least one Mexican factory and are increasingly focused toward China.
You like Dagoba or Scharffen Berger? That's Hershey. Most of the cocoa comes from West Africa.
You want to forgo a candy bar because the country of origin label says Ivory Coast?
Found 54 Civics, 5 Dodge Neons. However, remember that in those days they also had the Plymouth Neon. But, searching on that one, I only found two.
So, in my case, that's 54-7 in favor of the Civic.
For criteria I used 1994-2000 for all models. The Neon came out in early 1994 as a 1995, but I still used 1994 as a starting point just in case anyone happened to list an early Neon erroneously as a "94".
The Civic no doubt outsold the Neon every single year, but I'd imagine that in most years, it was either 2:1 or 3:1. But never 7.7:1 (54:7)!
However, I'd also wager that reliability was not the only factor at play here. No doubt, the Civic was much more reliable than the Neon, especially in the Neon's early years. But, keep in mind that poor resale value ensured that the Neon would total out more easily. In fact, a friend of mine lost a 2nd-gen Neon a few years ago when someone sideswiped it. Damage was relatively minor, but enough to total it. Unfortunately his replacement car, a 2003 or so Hyundai Sonata suffered the same fate. He rear-ended a truck that had a trailer hitch, at low speed, but it was still enough to total the car.
Demographics might come into play as well. A lot of young people buy Civics, but a lot of middle-age and older people buy them as well, and they're going to, as a general rule, take better care of their cars and hold onto them longer. I think the demographics for the Neon, especially the first generation, were seriously skewed towards younger people, who tended to buy them and rag them out, wreck them, neglect them, get them repossessed, etc.
But, don't worry, despite my defense of the Neon, I'm not in the market for a used one!
Most Neons were built in Toluca, Mexico, though some came from the Belvidere plant.
Aren't most Civics from that era made in the USA?
Granted, the 1956 Chevrolet had better rust resistance than the 1956 Ford, but I'd wager that lots more people simply WANTED to save the Chevrolets versus the Fords. The 1955-57 Chevrolets were already considered to be desirable cars, even if not necessarily collectible cars, by the mid-1960s.
Of course, those Chevrolets were more desirable because they were all-around better cars compared to the Fords (and, I'm guessing, the 1956 Plymouths, too)...much like the Civic versus the Neon.
That's definitely true. Back in college when I worked at Denny's, I remember talking old cars with the general manager, and mentioned I'd love to get a 1957 DeSoto. He said that, in 1965, his first car was a '57 DeSoto, Fireflite 4-door hardtop, pink with a white roof and spear. Paid $500 for it. He said that at the time it was considered a major loser car, but it was fast, and could embarrass plenty of hipper, cooler cars in a drag race. Still, he couldn't shake the loser image (I'm sure being a 4-door hurt it almost as much as being an orphan), and got a '57 Chevy Bel Air convertible before too long. He only paid $500 for it, as well. It wasn't nearly as fast as the DeSoto, but was considered a much cooler car at the time.
Even to this day, whenever I think of a '55-56 Ford I immediately think of Aunt Bea on the Andy Griffith show, and associate it with a nice, pleasant enough car, but kinda conservative and stodgy. But when I think of a '56 Chevy I think of a much more youthful, hip car. I'd put the Plymouth somewhere in between, but I think by the mid 60's the tailfins were really dating it, compared to a Chevy or Ford which had much more modest fins. And a '56 Plymouth is a bit big compared to a Chevy or Ford, as well.
But the 1955 Chevrolet, with its new V-8 and sharp styling, completely reversed those respective images overnight.
As for the image of the 1957 DeSoto, there wasn't any nostalgia for 1950s styling in the 1960s. Buyers considered cars with large fins and other exaggerated styling features to be very dated and old-fashioned looking. I remember reading that, by the mid-1960s, you couldn't give 1959 Cadillac away!
The only 1950s cars people were really saving in the 1960s were the 1955-57 Thunderbirds, 1955-57 Chevrolets, and...the Edsel! The first two because of clean and handsome styling (and changes to the succeeding generations), and the third because it was already a cult car.
I like Lindt and those Costco peanut butter cups :shades:
I don't buy this self-destructive one world ideology some (including here...) wish to foist upon us. None of those candy bars are actually refined and produced in Ivory Coast, that's a simple raw material. Not every part in a German car is made in Germany either, but the final assembly is there, and that's important.
But we're too far from the economic centers and skilled employees to set up something as simple as a furniture factory. The shipping alone would kill you before you got up and running.
If country of origin final assembly was critical, Mercedes would eat the freight and close the Alabama factory. Means squat. What counts is management and a pool of trained workers and competent suppliers. The location is just important for transportation and infrastructure and currency reasons. And of course politics.
Don't impose a duty on our imports; we'd have to shut down a line in Tuscaloosa. :P
Country of origin and manufacture are both critical, especially for things you're going to put in your mouth, or trust in a potential crash at 60mph. Do you trust corporations to oversee such operations with any degree of accountability or responsibility? I don't. It took MB many years to get that factory up to snuff, with the latest tech and imported experts. How much worse will it be in corrupt third world locations? Not to mention how origin of final assembly can link to local crimes, as it does to the social and environmental disaster in China.
If it didn't matter, why would some buy legislation to hide it?
For that matter, whatever you can say about a 1970s Vega, it did have a stouter structure than a contemporary Pinto.
There is less difference today among vehicles, regardless of national origin, but that is because of government regulations and pressure from consumers (hence, the emphasis on "5-Star Crash Ratings" in various commercials).
Luckily, vehicles have VINs.
To counter your defense of the Neon vs. Civic:
Offsetting that more Neons are totalled because they are worthless and useless, and insurance companies won't pay for them, but total them out with non-existent resale value I'd say that:
1) More Neon's are totalled out due to fraudulent claims, since a Neon with a bad transmission, head gaskets, and non-functioning AC is the perfect car to have "stolen" (I use that term loosely) and set afire during the hot summer; so it's found burnt to a crisp or otherwise "destroyed" for the fun of it.
2) More Civics were raced and or modified Fast and Furious style and wrecked and/or totalled because of that.
Demographics might come into play as well.
Offsetting that:
3) My equal age friend bought a '94 or '95 Prism LSi which we all know was a Toyota Corolla. He drove his car harder than mine, did not maintain it quite as well as I maintained mine, and had zero issues to 100,000 miles.
I think demographics and the way a car is driven is widely over exaggerated on here. If a car is built correctly, it can handle being driven like a grandma or being tracked 3 times a year just as well and just as reliably. A well built car can handle both equally. A car being driven hard should only exhibit greater wear on wear and tear items (brakes, pads, rotors, tires).
Maintenance does matter, but I don't think young people neglect their cars more so than other age groups like you suggest. Aren't old folks more forgetful (to change oil and the like) afterall? :surprise: