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accord 3.0L V6 0 to 60 7.3 seconds
Camry 3.5L V6 0 to 60 7.1 seconds
Camry Hybird 2.4L inline 4 0 to 60 8.5 seconds
Camry 2.4L inline 4 0 to 60 9.6 seconds
Azera 3.8L V6 0 to 60 7.1 seconds
Lucerene cxl 3.8L V6 0 to 60 9.2 seconds
Lucerene cxs 4.7L V8 0 to 60 7.6 seconds
The buick V8 is beat by the V6 cars in acceleration
That probably is a factor of the overall gear ratio and the weight of the full-sized Lucerne vs the mid-sized accord and camry.
Consumers Misreports wouldn't compare a proper GM car with others in the same grouping: the GM car might look better than CM wants it to look. Think about it: Accord, mid-sized; Camry, mid-sized; Azera, ?mid-sized. Never have been able to sit in one. When I go by the Hyonda dealer they are closed.
Think about it... why didn't they compare to LaCrosse and Impala V8 and V6s for mid-sized comparisons. Because they don't want it that way; see above paragraph for comment.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Rocky
The Kia amanti weighs about 200lbs more with a smaller engine a 3.5L V6 and does 0 to 60 in 8.2 seconds 1 second faster than the buick and gets better gas mileage.
the azera is in the same weight and size range as the buick.
they where testing family sedans with similar price ranges and weights.
I don't know why people get fixated on brands, I have had Buicks, Fords, Chevys, Dodges, Potiac, Olds, VW, Subaru, and Kia ranging from a 1954 VW to a 2006 Kia.
the 1964 Chevy and 1964 dodge where extremely well built, any american car I have had that was built after about 1972 has been pure garbage. 1979 Ford 250 would not start below -5f had 2 front axles fail, 1989 chevy s-10 paint wouldn't stay on re painted every year fenders rusted through after 5 years out of warranty, ford tempo ate front end parts used oil from day one, 1984 dodge Shelby charger dumped after 3 years , ate front wheel bearings 2 sets a year at $180 each +labor, pontiac car was total lemon had for 6 months and got money back from dealer during the 6 months I put about 300 miles on it spent rest of time in dealer shop
olds blew engine on drive home returned to dealer,
VW ran great no heat though and had problems going up hills. Subarus 1978 to 1984 got rid of them at around 300k miles when I could see ground through floorboards. Buick spent $6k fixing/replacing computers and dumped the car at 45k miles.
right now I have a 1972 toyota land cruiser and a 2006 Kia amanti, the toyota has a 455 olds engine in it and a 7.5 foot snow plow on the front, have used it to plow snow for 15 years.
Say what you will about managemnt, the biggest variable for cost and quality is still the union...
I sat in the Azera at the auto show, but for the life of me can't remember what it was like. I don't know if that would imply good or bad though. If it were cramped it would have made an impression, and if it were expansive it would have, as well.
I do remember liking the interior of the Lucerne, though. It felt roomy, both up front and in back. And they're doing a better job these days of hiding the hard plastic.
I do remember not being all that impressed with the Sonata, though. While it certainly felt more plush than a Camry or an Accord, something about it still just seemed a slight step down from either of those. Almost like they were trying to hide an interior that wasn't quite up to snuff with nicer carpeting, fabrics, plusher trappings, etc. And I do remember the rear wheel wells cut sharply into the Sonata's back seat. It might have the shoulder room for 3-across seating, but it doesn't have the butt-room for it!
Maybe I'll have to go check out the Azera again, just to really give it a fair shake.
I'm nearing the mileage I got a certain Dodge nameplate from 1995. I'm still thousands and thousands behind in supplementing Dodge, and other independent mechanics' bank accounts though. I'm also about 3 tow truck driver payments behind where I was with that certain American nameplate.
SHAME on the Japanese!!!! They are ruining our economy by making mechanics and tow truck companies go out of business. SHAME on Honda & Toyota for doing that. Those poor mechanics and tow truck drivers can't make money from me anymore. I do miss paying my hard earned money to them.
I guess that that will give you a different reason to call a tow truck, out of gas instead of broke down.
Rocky
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Completely immaterial IMO.
When buying a vehicle, you are buying JUST THAT ONE VEHICLE. You aren't buying everything that manufacturer makes so your 'composite' domestic content is higher than an import brand's.
For example: when shopping for a midsize family car (if % of domestic content is important), one should look at the content of the individual cars being considered (Ford Fusion, Chevy Impala or Malibu, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Hyundai Sonata).
Personally, I wouldn't give a rat's behind if the % domestic content of Ford Trucks raised the overall Ford % of domestic content; I would only care about the content of the Fusion vs. the competitors.
"How is buying a Mexican made Tacoma helping put americans to work ?"
And how is buying a Canadian made GM truck helping put americans to work? The Canadian sourced parts/labor are labeled 'domestic' yet the Mexican sourced parts/labor are not.
Maybe those labels shouldn NOT read 'domestic %'......perhaps they SHOULD read 'UAW/CAW %'. That, after all, was why the Canadian stuff gets labeled 'domestic' while the Mexican stuff does not.
Rocky
P.S.
Myself probably will end up buying a Volvo, since the Delphi parts will be crappola. :sick:
It'd be like claiming you like GM trucks because they offer 16259 different combinations of truck model, drivetrain, trim, options and color combinations. My response would be "So what, how many trucks can you drive at one time?"
btw - that number was pulled out of thin air; no need to check to see just how many different variations of GM trucks there are....
When a car eats 2 sets of SEALED wheel bearings per year at $180.00 each + labor that shows a crapy design, the bearings failed because they used a plastic cage and normal high temp grease, well in the winter at around -5 that grease was solid and broke the plastic cage and the bearing ate itself.
when a vehicle eats trannys at under 10k miles that also shows poor construction.
To see they true quality of american vehicles go look at stats on what type and year vehicles get towed most often and then look at TSB's for each dealer, my car has 4 items listed , 1 issue was with the 04 year only, others are minor that do not affect vehicle operation,
then take a look at what they have listed for the 2000 through 2007 dodges, and look at how many of those problems carry over from year to year, the US dealers do not in general change design to remove problems, look at how many years ford has had problems with the electrical system causing the vehicles to catch fire and they still haven't fixed it, the number of items I can mention is beyond the space allowed in a message and more than I really want to type.
P.S. the GMC that my friend owned is property of the dealer as of late yesterday and this afternoon I had the vehicle impounded.
Is there a link for that information? Sounds interesting.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Luckily, only two out of the 5 recalls actually affected my particular car. The first one was really stupid. They forgot to put a section in the owner's manual that covered proper installation of a child car seat! :surprise: Yes, believe it or not, the car really was recalled because of that! However, they just sent a supplement in the mail, with the recall notice, and said to keep it with the owner's manual. So I didn't have to take it back to the dealer to get the manual fixed. :P
The second recall involved two bolts that hold the backrest of the driver's seat in place. They weren't up to spec, and could break without warning, making the backrest fall back. I remember when I called the dealer about it, I asked if I could just bring it in and get it done quickly or if I had to leave the car with them. They said I'd have to leave it, because it was considered a half-day job. I think they got a little perturbed when I asked "A half-day to replace TWO bolts?!". They responded that they had to take the seat out of the car to do it. Okay, so a HALF-DAY to remove FOUR bolts so that you can take out the seat to replace the TWO bolts?.
There used to be a guy in these forums who worked on that assembly plant in Ontario. He said that on the assembly line, it took about 11 seconds to put those two bolts in.
I've had one TSB done to my car, as well. Back in late 2003 the oil pressure light would come on when stopped, at idle, when fully warmed up. Such as waiting at a traffic light after the car's been running at least 10-15 minutes or so. Turns out there was a problem with the wiring around the sensor getting hot, and in just those conditions it would get hot enough to trigger a false reading. The fix involved venting the area somehow so it stayed cooler. They did it for free, when the car had about 90,000 miles on it. It was a bit annoying, but I guess it's better to have the light come on when there's no real problem, versus having it NOT come on when there really is!
http://www.infotraxx.com/
http://www.carcomplaints.com/
check these sites.
I'm on a mailing list for one, next time I get an e-mail I'll have to remember to book mark the site and put the address here.
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060729/AUTO03/607290301/1148/AUT- O01
Rocky
Rocky
Take Care, And Not Offense.
Let's agree to disagree, w/o being disagreeable
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=more&story=amMade&re- ferer=advice&aff=national
The G6 sedan looks like a worm style wise, and has GM electric steering. Would possibly consider the better looking G6 Coupe GTP, but only used.
Why those two cars would suddenly start selling is beyond me. Are there super duper bargain pricing at dealerships of those cars? Extra fleet sales? As for the Ion, I have no idea how they ever sold one. That's life - just full of surprises!
:shades: Loren
The suspense is killing me. What's going on with the truck?
Friday the dealer called me on when would be a good time to come get the truck, I think they where a bit upset when I told them it has been in an impound lot for over 3 weeks now.
I remain convinced that the main reason the Impala sells so well is because the Century got canned. The Century used to be a strong seller, but like the Impala, a lot of them went to fleet sales. Then, a few years back, GM started cutting Century production. Around that same time, it seemed like Impala sales started to rise. Also, Pontiac cut out the ultra-cheap version of the Grand Prix with the 2004 redesign, making the 3800 standard in even the cheapest one. Prior to that, there was a 3.1 model that saw a lot of rental fleet sales. I think GM has been trying to tone down the Grand Prix and LaCrosse's exposure to rental fleets, so that leaves the Impala as the Enterprise darling. I'm not saying that GP's and LaCrosses DON'T get put into rental fleets, because they do. But just not in the same volume that the Century and the '03 and older Grand Prix did. Also, Ford's been phasing out the Taurus, so the Impala might be picking up some of that slack. The Five Hundred sure isn't!
As for the G6, well, now that the old-style Malibu "Classic" has finally been phased out, maybe they're pressing more G6es into rental fleets? I think the G6 also makes more sense than the Grand Prix, so maybe buyers are picking up on that, and would-be Grand Prix buyers are going with the G6?
These things just aren't beefy and durable like the Crown Vics, or the Caprices, RWD Impalas an Diplomat/Gran Furys were.
That might be a result of the Impala's tall axle ratio. GM tends to gear their mid and full-sized cars fairly tall, so they're pretty good coasters. Take your foot off the gas and they'll usually coast for awhile before slowing down, whereas a quicker axle ratio would start to slow you down the moment you took your foot off the gas.
One interesting aspect of our trip was coming down a road in Sequoia National Park. The road had tons of very steep switchbacks and warnings not to burn out your breaks. I was in 1st for lots of it. A bozo in a Taurus was taking it pretty fast, passing me 2x, and then I noticed lots of smoke coming from it. The impala did a good job though I smelled either boiling brake fluid (not likely) or tranny fluid. Went away after a few minutes. Got passed coming down this slope by an Audi A6 - just went flying through the curves.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Back on topic: I think GM may just turn this ship around, even though another credit downgrade occurred today. The Saturn brand may be its leading division if they build Euro cars in USA, complete with fuel efficient euro engines and suspensions. One thing I cannot understand is why auto companies have been so reluctant to offer diesels across their vehicle range. It would seem to me that there is and has been a huge market for this for a few years, so why wouldn't mitsu or gm offer diesels to differentiate themselves from the rest of the market? Did we need another Malibu, Ion, etc? Ironically, the Ion apparently began life as a Euro design, buy GM designers and engineers destroyed it translaing it to their perception of American tastes. Lutz promises this will not happen again.
Crown vics had a problem with catching fire when rear ended
with all the police gear in the trunk, also the crown vic did not do well in the winter here, always saw then stuck when they had heavy snow falls, don't know if the impala will do any better.
Most front wheel ford cars I have seen do very poorly on mixed snow/ice roads, my Tempo and Topaz got stuck in 4 inches of snow over ice with new studded tires they would sit and spin one wheel, my 1980 subaru 4x4 wagon would push through fresh powder snow that was up to the top of the hood and my 1978 subaru gl sedan front wheel drive would push through fresh snow that was up to the top of the bumper.
hmmmmm
car I'd buy a Honda, Toyota or Hyundia. At least their providing jobs for Amrican where as the so call big three are cutting American jobs and building more of their cars in Mexico or Canada claiming thier American made.
That said, I currently drive an American car (1999 SVT Cobra) but don't see myself ever buying another. My Cobra has under 40K miles and while I haven't had engine problems, the interior and exterior trim is falling to pieces because of poor design. So far, headlights were eaten by sun and need replacement, both power windows, tweeter broken loose, window trim replaced, rusting speaker grills, and numerous loose trim pieces. I've also had 3 recalls. I get the impression that my American cars were built to last through warranty (so they wouldn't have to fix it) and then start to have problems ensuring their dealers a steady stream of repair work.
Due mostly to coincidence, over the past 15 years I've alternated between American and Japanese cars: Chevy Celebrity, Honda Civic, Ford Taurus, Mazda 929S, Ford Cobra. I've had problems with the American cars starting between 35 and 60K miles. I've had no problems out of the Japanese cars out past 100K miles.