Lincoln MKS

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  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Everybody's family is, because, opportunities always look better going than coming. I bought Ford, because I believe in Alan Mulally - not necessarily the MKS, which I can't get comfy with. Although, the seats are comfy.
  • displacedtexandisplacedtexan Member Posts: 364
    Where are you finding MKS seats to sit on?
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    MKZ was my intended alphabetic moniker. See? I'm already do damn confused at these stupid letters!
  • displacedtexandisplacedtexan Member Posts: 364
    :P

    Here's to the hoped-for return of proper names!
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Yes...here's my proposal.....

    MKZ - Cosmopolitan
    MKX - Aviator, like it was....
    MKS - Continental
    Mark LT - Navigator LT
    Navigator - Navigator, damn it! But that grille......
  • displacedtexandisplacedtexan Member Posts: 364
    Not sure about the Cosmopolitan, it's too long. Maybe Capri? I still like Zephyr, though.

    The Navi grille is growing on me, but I wish Lincoln had the same grille across all models, either waterfall or eggcrate. Something to unify the brand.
  • Yes, please. Does anyone see Mercedes, BMW, Mazda, Chrysler, Cadillac, use such a motley assortment? The Navi and MKX have completely different grill themes. The 2007 F150...er, MKLT's now looks a bit like the MKZ's, but what sense does that make if the other Lincoln "trucks" don't use it?

    BTW, let's not rename that "ok" conservatively-styled (and a bit pudgy looking) Acura/Lexus/Infiniti-imitating MKS the "Continental." The name deserves better. Capri is fine. How about Mark LTD?
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    The Navi grille is growing on me, but I wish Lincoln had the same grille across all models, either waterfall or eggcrate. Something to unify the brand.

    I agree - and that's what they used to do with the big waterfall grille, it was distinctive, and immediately identifiable as a Lincoln. Now, it's gonna be the Shick look I guess, and the Aviator (excuse me, MKX) has it, the Navigator (MKN), but not the LS, may it rest in peace, and the MKZ needs an update, you are right. I am not warming up too it, though it's reminiscent of the 61 Continental - it's just too damn much and too big on the Navigator for me.
  • displacedtexandisplacedtexan Member Posts: 364
    Re the Navi grille...

    Looking back on Lincolns and comparing them to Cadillacs, it seems that Lincolns have always gone the route of classic, understated good looks. Cadillac always had the bling. Cadillac still has the bling with the Escalade. I guess the Navi is trying to grab some of that, too.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Horbury said it would be one look for the cars and another for the SUVs/CUVs/Trucks. I agree that one consistent design would be better. There's a new sheriff in town and anything could change.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Member Posts: 792
    There are photos of my new Explorer and the newly installed navigation and sound system on my www.photobucket.com site - the same userid as here - fsmmcsi. I looked briefly at the Carspace site and could not determine how to set up friends and such, but will try again.
  • Well, even that would be preferable to what they have now: the MKZ and the Mark LT have similar grills, and the coming MKS will take off on that. However, the other two trucks have gone their own way, as the Navi and MKX grills do not share the same theme at all with each other...or with the LT.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Were you able to figure out how to see my carspace site? Pics of my new Explorer, and lots of my other cars are there.... I'll look at yours now.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Member Posts: 792
    Yes, I finally did. A grass lawn sure looks nicer than the sand and gravel on most of the new houses in Nevada.

    Who is going to the Detroit show? besides the foul weather, I hear that the crowds damage and vandalize the cars. Still, they insist on making most of the major introductions at that show. I wonder how many MKS design ideas / improvements will show up on the new Five Hundred and Montego?
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    It's pretty easy to figure out the Carspace to post your own pictures on your Carspace - just persevere - we'd like to see your fleet.... :)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Getting excited about seeing the production version of the MKS ???? Isn't it scheduled to be released at this years Detroit autoshow or am I wrong ?

    Rocky
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    Yes, my anticipation for the MKS about equals that of seeing Santa on my roof.
  • Oh, come on. You wouldn't be excited if you saw Santa on your roof? ;) But I agree that excitement and MKS don't belong in the same sentence. It's a theme that while ok, has been done already by several other companies.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    You want a "theme" from the prince of Rebadge? This MKS being an "original" Lincoln alone is a huge miracle! If I can't tell it's a Volvo, I'll be excited!!
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I'm not all that excited either because the actual production car will still be over a year away (spring 08). So while last year's concept might be reworked it can't be the final production model because that's too far away.

    As for rebadging - I don't see how you can say that here. Unique sheetmetal (100% according to Lincoln), drivetrains, interior, wheels, suspension......etc. Definitely not a rebadge and even less platform sharing than other vehicles.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    akirby,

    I must say I agree with you. ;)

    Rocky
  • And so do I. It will share the platform, but have a different body, interior, engine and even wheelbase. Now, given it is over a year off yet, I am hoping they can jazz it up a bit, so that it doesn't just look like yet another competent Japanese luxury sedan.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Oh, come on. You wouldn't be excited if you saw Santa on your roof?
    MAybe he's jewish ;) . THe Mks really doesn't excite me, and I bet others agree. But it was Christmas when Chrysler showed the 300C in '04! Just saw the 427 concept. Where did ford go wrong? this wouldv't been great. Everyone wants muscular looks- not oval.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    It's Jesus that Jews don't believe in. Santa is OK. Though a Fiddler is more likely on the roof :>)
  • Or a diddler...
    ;)
  • jd14jd14 Member Posts: 128
    Twin-Turbo V6
    The powertrain is unexpectedly sporty too. It’s a twin-turbo version of Ford’s recently introduced 3.5-liter V-6 with direct-injection. Ford claims the MKR’s motor makes 415 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque and runs on E85 ethanol. A production version of this motor, called the TwinForce, will make it to production


    The MKS is going to get a Twin-Turbo V6 that can match the outputs of all the other big luxury sedans, or even exceed them. Sweet! It's about time Lincoln! If the production engine can come relatively close to the output of the MKR concept, then this car will be able to really fly! My opinion of Lincoln keeps elevating with every new product they release. They're definitely moving in the right direction... except for that damn 07 Navigator grille! :sick:
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I totally agree...... ;)

    The MKS, could very well be my next car. :)

    Rocky
  • If the MKS continues to exist at all, I doubt it will get the TT 3.5. That will be reserved for the new flagship, the rear drive, tidier-proportioned MKR.

    If the MKS still comes around in 2008, it will have to take a seat behind the MKR. The 3.7 will still have plenty of horses (300+?) even without the turbos.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    gregg,

    The MKR is ugly dude. You might like it as much as I do the MKS. The MKS, at least has a conservative grill while the MKR, has some serious grill design issues. I hope it does work out for Lincoln if they do bring it out.

    If the MKS gets passed over on the Twin Turbo engine treatment I will definetly buy something other than a Lincoln. :sick:

    Rocky
  • I like that you hate it. That's a good thing. Lincoln don't need no stinkin' conservative grills right now. Too many other car companies use them. If you want conservative, there is always Lexus!
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    And to add, thereafter a 5.0L Boss V8 will be offered in conjunction with the TwinForce V6 engine. And the Mark-R will also give you a hint of some of the retouches that have taken place for the Mark-S.

    Mind you, the real Mark-R gets a less audacious grill, but it'll still be prominent. The focus now is giving a face that will certainly set it apart, yet cures that corolate it to other Lincoln SEDANS.
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    ANT's alive!

    Is the "R" in addition to the "S" or a replacement for it?
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    I haven't gone anywhere, just had to take a break because of some pending business and focus on a few other items, rather than the forum.

    Plus, it's disheartening to see the constant negativism of some people, drive away other participants who innocently are looking for more information, yet their legend lore of past haunts from decades past have diluted the optimism and progression of anything positive that Ford could ever/will ever accomplish.

    So a break was in order.

    The "R" is another vehicle. There's really 4 totally new vehicles, the "R" and "S" are part of those. The 4th is still questionable.
  • All I can say is Hooray! Hooray! my negativity has been retired. If they can bring this car to market by 2008--and not mess up that bodascious grill much (PLEASE don't make it understated)--Lincoln will be a force to be reckoned with again.

    Too bad about the MKS though. It got caught in middle of the transition. Still, if they can pull a rabbit like the MKR out of nowhere, it's entirely possible they might jazz up the MKS by then too.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Rocky, first I've heard of an MKR - where can I see it?
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    ANT - it's SO good to see you again. Don't let the dissenters drive you nuts - we'll always have them, but they can be won back with some award winning designs and excitement again. I recently acquired my 6th Explorer/Mountaineer, in the Explorer Limited version this time, so you haven't lost me. I'm still rooting for Ford to come back and win. Not sure the new Navigator makes my heart pound like the old one did, but that doesn't mean I have no hope. Plus, I'm intensely interested in the MKX, MKS and Lastly - what is this MKR? First I've heard. Can I see a pic of one anywhere? NV
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    MKR link
    Cool looking car, really lame name.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Cool looking car, really lame name.

    That says it all. Great link though, thanks scooter.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    nv,

    It's a cross between Acura's new sedan concept and the MKZ :surprise:

    Rocky

    P.S. gregg, I'm glad you like it so much. I hope many people do for fords sake. ;) If the MKS dissapears so be it. :cry:
  • Not to worry, Rocky. I understand that the MKS lives.
  • savethelandsavetheland Member Posts: 671
    >

    As a new Mercury Montego?
  • No, apparently my first thought was correct: Lincoln has too much invested in the MKS to abandon the project now. Plus, word is, the looks have been improved.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    I think that's good news - now just do a good job with the car! Make it WOW some people, open some eyes so that the word is, Lincoln is Back!! Caldwell did that with the 83 Thunderbird - it was pretty, and it was built well, drove well, handled well, impressed a lot of people. Kinda opened the way for the Taurus introduction, which changed automotive history. That's what Lincoln needs, is a couple of damn good cars NOW!!!
  • savethelandsavetheland Member Posts: 671
    Still I do not get why not leave FWD cars to Mercury and make Lincoln what it is supposed to be - a luxury brand? MKS would be a pretty nice, real Montego.
  • I agree. Nonetheless, Lexus, Saab, Acura and Volvo have had some success with FWD luxury/near luxury cars. Audi goes the AWD route, but based on FWD--which is the formula of the MKS.

    If they have both the MKS and MKR, Lincolns might actually appeal to a wider range of people. Then with the addition of another car (not truck), plus an upgrade of the MKZ to make it look like a Lincoln (likely in the plans), Lincoln could be back in business again. And if Lincoln survives long enough, you will see more RWD models. Takes time to undo the previous neglect and incompetent decision-making.

    Unfortunately, Mercury will continue to be neglected, as long as they think that "different fabrics and colors" can distinguish Mercurys from Fords. Wouldn't it be nice if Mercurys were at least given their own rooflines again, like the models based on Fords used to have?
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Must closer to something lincoln should be selling. It should look more grand, and maybe a little more sqaure- to succesfully compete with that of a low end Lexus LS. We'll see.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    You do realize the MKR is just a styling concept and not the actual production vehicle - right?
  • Well of course. The glass roof isn't going to make it to production in that form, and likely the floating console will have to go, but there is no reason at all that the body as presented could not go into production. I'm hoping that someone in Lincoln has learned that cautious is a mistake. Even the modifications done to the Aviator concept (to make the MKX) and the MKZ were too cautious and ultimately useless mistakes.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Well, that Edge is not exactly "Bold" IMO either, so the new Aviator, ahem, excuse me, MKX - XKM, whatever, is also a bit on the boring side to me..... Like the inside though, and the roof.
  • arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    The roof is what is hurting some of the performance numbers on the MKX. It is beautiful, but adding 200lbs. to a rather top heavy vehicles hurts handling. I've heard it causes the roll stability to kick in a bit, limiting cornering a little.
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