Toyota Camry Hybrid

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Try going directly to the Homelink site
    http://www.homelink.com/training/train.taf

    Should be able to get detailed instructions there on how to do this for your TCH
  • gillesmtlgillesmtl Member Posts: 55
    Winter tires are not mandatory in Quebec yet. 80% of owners do use them. Also, steel studs ARE allowed between november 15 and april 15, contrary to Ontario.

    Don't expect to drive through 15" of snow with any low-lying passenger car with a Cd of 0.27 ; It will soon ramp up onto a bed of compressed snow and stay there until spring !

    I just love ABS, traction and stability control on the TCH. I drove my wife's Elantra on snow last weekend and found I was already forgetting to apply some of my winter driving skills.
  • stj4stj4 Member Posts: 27
    My observations/opinions about driving TCH in snow......

    Between my wife, and myself, we have had 4 cars in the last 3 yrs. You will understand the reason why I mention this once you read through..

    We live in Wisconsin where there is decent snow, and part of our driveway has a 30-35 degree uphill incline to get into the garage. In snow/sleet parking in the garage becomes tricky..

    First car was a bmw 325 xit (awd wagon) In that car, I could literally stop in the worst of this incline on ice, and the car will still drive smoothly into the garage with hardly any noticeable slipping/sliding. I traded that to get a 2005 FWD sienna.

    With the sienna, when there is sleet on the driveway, there is just no way to get to the garage. it will slip, and slide etc, and after a lot of frustrated attempts over the last few years, now we have resorted to parking the car at the bottom of our driveway which is flat when the driveway is slippery.

    I also had a 2001 camry, which in icy conditions, although with a fair bit of slipping, and sliding will make it to the garage. I traded that in for the TCH, and with the TCH, it acts more like the sienna, even a little worse.

    For example, yesterday, after the fleeting rain, which caused 7 deaths in WI, i was able to get y sienna into the garage, but for the TCH refused to get in, and got parked outside.

    That being said, I feel driving on flat slippery road is better in the TCH than in my older camry or sienna. There are some times last week where I have made sharp 90degree turns in ice at 5-10-15 mph, (to see what the car can do) . It is cool and reassuring to see that first the traction control gets activated as indicated by the sign on the dashboard, then a series of short beeps will come, which tells me that the car is taking control, and i felt the rear brakes being applied(?), and the car not really going into a tailspin.

    I have tried this with all my cars, and in my sienna, and 2001 camry, it would result in almost a 180degree tailspin if I did it @ 15 mph. My old 325 awd wagon would of course, hardly take notice..( that was such a wonderful car to drive, though it gave only 18 mpg on average)

    Hope my observations help someone.
  • stj4stj4 Member Posts: 27
    Hello my dear friend, trying to change oil in the TCH,

    I also did the same thing, and took me some time to find the oil filter.

    The oil filter on the underside on the car, all the way to the front on the passenger side. it is very low, and is mounted vertically. Once you look fro it from the under side of the car(on a ramp), it is very easy to see it, and change it.

    It is easiest to feel if you kneel down on by the side of your car, at the very front of the passenger side, and it is almost in the first square foot on the front passenger side, and you can feel it with your hands pretty easily. In fact, of all the cars I have had, this is the easiest to change the oil filter.

    I have changed it once so far, and it took me 2 days of looking to find the oil filter. Next time I plan to change it without getting it on a ramp, now that I know where exactly it is .
  • regal1945regal1945 Member Posts: 25
    Gee Whiz, you got mechanical problems, I pull 45 degrees hill on glare ice with no spin or slide at all, get it checked out by local stealershop. Another thing let it idlw up hill do not throttle it. This car is better than my all wheel drive lexus.
  • mfreeman1943mfreeman1943 Member Posts: 6
    I'm fascinated to learn about the behaviour of the TCH on snowy hills, but I feel I have to comment on the angles quoted (30 degrees, 45 degrees).

    I strongly doubt anyone builds a 30 degree driveway, let alone 45 degree. To give some perspective, in Vancouver we have a popular hiking trail, the Grouse Grind, which rises 1 km in 3. This is too steep for a car, and is less than a 20 degree slope. The pyramids in Mexico are steep enough that many climbers are afraid to walk down, because you cannot see the stairs looking down. This is a 45 degree slope.
    - Mike Freeman -
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    I'd be scared to back out of a garage with a 30 degree sloped driveway without a winch hooked to the front of my car. Good thing I have a Japanese model, I could use the bumper tie down with a security strap ;)

    Seriously though I have seen some in WV approaching 30 degrees.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    Try snow tires to get up a steep driveway.
  • jap4jap4 Member Posts: 4
    Has anyone installed, or had installed, rear parking sensors or a 2007 TCH? If yes, were you satisfied? Also, if yes, could you suggest an installer in either the Philadelphia or DC metro areas. Thanks.
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Member Posts: 159
    I'm considering a Camry Hybrid for my next car. I was just wondering how much people were paying for service calls. I'm coming from BMW, where all scheduled service is free, and I was wondering if any gas savings would be nullified by paying for service.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    I'm coming from BMW, where all scheduled service is free,
    I had BMW's when they were not free. Ate my lunch just for scheduled maintenance. However if you keep a premium brand longer than the free maintenance period you'll discover the difference.

    On my TCH I took a tires for life option simply meaning I do my service with my dealer and they keep me in tires. I'm evaluating if it's worth the hassle. However I expected it to represent the MOST anyone should have to pay for service. They require an annual alignment (overkill) and tire rotation and balancing every 5000 miles (balancing is overkill as well).

    Even with these costs my normal 5000 mile inspection (oil, rotation and balance) is under $50. My 15,000 mile inspection was around $150 (also included changing the in cabin filter, wiper blades, etc). Not really all that bad. MY only complaint is it's not as easy as pulling into a Jiffey Lube or similar setup. I have to schedule it and it takes an hour or so.

    After I get my first set of replacement tire's I'll decide if it was worth the incremental costs and hassle. Either way, it's not a bad price and take out a few items that you probably don't really need and it's pretty cheap to maintain.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    I'm coming from BMW, where all scheduled service is free, and I was wondering if any gas savings would be nullified by paying for service.

    Oh, also comparing savings; I came from an Infiniti and traded a 3 year old Infiniti even for my new TCH. In insurance, payment, gasoline and tax credits (yes I got a state credit as well) I've estimated a savings of $8300 since 5/5/06 in my overall ownership of the TCH over the Infiniti.

    I loved the Infiniti, but I was in the market for an economy car and this has got to be the best trade off for a comfortable economy car that I've ever seen. (I'm averagine 38.6 mpg over 20,000 miles_I didn't get that good in my BMW diesel 524td)
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    A reporter for a weekend news program is looking to interview consumers in the Los Angeles area who are interested in purchasing a hybrid. Please reply to ctalati@edmunds.com no later than Thursday, March 22, 2007 with your daytime contact info.
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Member Posts: 159
    Was a response to my question deleted? I got an e-mail notification but the message is not here. I missed it.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Both replys to your previous post are there just go up a few messages. If you click on the Last link you'll get the last full page of posts.
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Member Posts: 159
    Nope... it's not there. The e-mail notification provided the following info:

    "#2938 Re: Don't do the TCH - stay with a sold BMW or Benz by satchselmerMar 24, 2007 (8:02 am)
    I am a recent BMW convert to the Camry Hybrid and I strongly advise yo..."

    I'd be interested to hear what the rest of the message said.
  • dandman1dandman1 Member Posts: 12
    hi
    im thinking of getting a camry hybrid in ontario, canada
    best price so far is $31900(msrp) plus taxes(14%) $36366, no frieght, destination charges, etc, ($about$1300 off)
    please let me know what you paid and where?
    thanks
    dan
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Ah... I saw the two replys to your post that are still there. The post you showed the start of was removed because it ran afoul of the Rules of the Road and, frankly, wasn't posted to answer your post.
  • petlpetl Member Posts: 610
    Sounds decent. You will also receive a tax rebate from the Ontario Government. Only the amount of PST paid on the purchase is refunded, to a maximum amount of $2,000.00. Maybe you should wait until the recent federal budget is passed. They will also be offering a rebate of up to $2,000.00 for the purchase of a new fuel-efficient vehicle. With these rebates it will be just as cheap to buy a Camry Hybrid as it would to purchase an LE model. Great vehicle. Good luck.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    Federal rebate on Camry Hybrid will be only $1500, but still worth waiting for.
  • moneemanmoneeman Member Posts: 3
    I just purchased a Camry Hybrid, and thought I would post my results here. I didn't see many recent price quotes on this board, so perhaps this may help others. After researching as much as possible, I really didn't expect a large discount off MSRP, perhaps $500 - $750 off. In fact, we figured we would end up with an Acura TL because they ARE dealing on those, and the price discrepancy would have been small given Acura's current 2.9% financing. However, we decided to give the Toyota dealer a shot at making us happy. I usually buy cars by faxing a request for a quote to 20 - 30 dealers, then waiting for bids to roll in. This method works great if there is ample supply, but we were picky about the color and options (cloth seats with nav, no sunroof). There were only two within a 2 hr radius, so I called one and asked for the sales manager. I told him the exact car I wanted, that I was ready to buy that day, and would do so if he would sell it to me at his invoice price. We confirmed the invoice amount, and he agreed to the deal immediately. The dealer, by the way, is in West Palm Beach, FL. This made the Camry much cheaper than the TL (which I also like very much), and I'm pleased that we have a hybrid vehicle. So, for those thinking about buying a Camry Hybrid, you can take comfort from my experience that they can be had at invoice (or possibly lower???) Perhaps I started the discussion too high!
  • devy1devy1 Member Posts: 14
    How much is the cost of the battery when it needs replacement? I understand at 150000 miles? Does the mileage go down as the battery gets older?
    Thanks
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    No one knows for certain because none ( or only a limited few ) have ever failed. The main reason is that nearly all are still under warranty so if any have then Toyota has picked up the bill.

    That being said if one was to ever fail it's estimated to coat about the same as replacing a tranny at 160,000 or 200,000 miles.

    Toyota's testing and several high-mileage drivers confirm that there is no deterioration of battery performance at 150,000 miles. At 250,000 miles? Who knows, few if any have been around that long....but realistically who cares.
  • devy1devy1 Member Posts: 14
    Does NJ not charge sales tax on Camry hybrid purchase? I read that a bill was presented but do not know if it passed or not. Thanks
  • supergoopsupergoop Member Posts: 46
    Battery life has more to do with just mileage. Age and temperature will affect it too.

    Eg. if you live in a cold (sub-zero) climate and park outdoors, the battery will not last as long, regardless of mileage. Battery life is shorten by frequent freezing.

    Mileage may be GOOD for the battery, since it can remain charged.

    Say someone lives in sub-zero climate, parks outdoors, but drives only 10k miles annually. I doubt the hybrid battery will last 150k miles.
  • petlpetl Member Posts: 610
    "Say someone lives in sub-zero climate, parks outdoors, but drives only 10k miles annually. I doubt the hybrid battery will last 150k miles."

    I don't believe you have any proof of that statement. Toyota has been selling hybrids for over 10 years. Many in sub-zero climates. To date, not one hybrid battery has been replaced (except when the vehicle was involved in an accident). Many vehicles have more than 150,000 miles on them (some have much less). Until we see one hybrid battery replaced (preferably a few) that statement can only remain an opinion. Please read the following (there are many other internet sites confirming the hybrid battery information).

    www.toyota.com/html/hybridsynergyview/2006/fall/battery.html
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    To date, not one hybrid battery has been replaced (except when the vehicle was involved in an accident).

    In fairness to the original poster who made unsubstantiated remarks, your assertion is not correct either and the link you provided does not back it up.

    I think the truth is that a few (very few) battery packs have been replaced in the past, but it is now a very rare event except in case of accident. (I can't prove this statement either).
  • petlpetl Member Posts: 610
    I wasn't trying to be harsh (maybe I'm just optimistic). I was only trying to provide battery info from the information that I had read on different sites and mags. Heck, if the battery lasts 15 years (when using the poster's example) I figure the vehicle won't owe me anything. In all the sites I've been on and with all the mags I've read not one has mentioned that a Toyota battery has been replaced due to being defective, yet. If memory serves me (my memory is not what it use to be), only a few Honda batteries have been replaced (they were defective). Please let me know if you find any additional info. Thanks.

    Here are couple other links that may clarify why I stated that assertion;

    http://www.hybridcars.com/faq.html

    http://hybridcars.about.com/od/hybridcarfaq/f/batterycost.htm
  • plknjplknj Member Posts: 121
    Today was miserable, what with the northeaster... it took me an hour to get to yet another closed road and decide to turn around and head for home. I happened to check the battery status and saw that it was at 4 bars... by the time I started moving it was down to 2 and I was sweating bullets.

    Has anyone had a similar situation? I was really ready for the car to die. Could not figure out a way to get the ICE going... and I tried a few things.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    I don't understand. Did it leave you stranded?
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    I was really ready for the car to die. Could not figure out a way to get the ICE going... and I tried a few things.

    Why??? If you were simply coasting around on E mode because you were under 40 and not accelerating much it was doing what it was supposed to do. Once it drops down to the last bars it will turn purple and the ICE will indeed kick on.
  • plknjplknj Member Posts: 121
    Guess I did not completely read the manual. No, the car did not stall but it was down to the last two bars, which had changed color and the ICE had not kicked in. Traffic finally picked up as did the battery. It was the first time I encountered this and was not sure about what could happen. Thanks.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    On a very long E mode drive the bars will actually turn purple. At that point the ICE will kick on. Most of the time though there is a need for the ICE (acceleration, slopes, etc) and just having it running it will propel the car and charge the battery with any excess horsepower. If you have the NAV system it's helpful to watch the energy flow screen during various driving situations to get an idea as to what are the best driving techniques.
  • pmanzapmanza Member Posts: 34
    Hi all, I am thinking about selling my Lexus RX300 and buying a TCH. I noticed that on the lots they have them built in both Japan and USA. Having read through lots of posts about minor annoyances such as squeeks and rattles, is there any general feeling that the models coming out of one factory or another are better, less prone to issues?

    Love my current car but gas prices are killing me!
    Thanks
    Pmanza
  • pmanzapmanza Member Posts: 34
    Hi everyone, one more question. The TCH has "blue-tinted" halogen headlights and the regular Camry doesn't. What does this do, and how good is the visibility at night? I don't see real well at night and like to have good headlights. I haven't been able to find any info on why they made them "blue-tinted".
    Thanks again
    Peggy
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    I can tell you after 12,000 miles and three long hwy trips of 2800, 2500, and 1500 miles, that the headlights are more than adequate for night driving.

    My old 43 year old eyes and the even older (61) eyes of my Mom have both had no problems at all seeing at night when driving my TCH.

    As to what effect the "blue" tinting has, to me it has had none.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Mine is a Japan build, and I have had very SUPER minor, barely noticable, quick to "come and go" issues with the minor console rattles.

    In my TCH it has been mostly related to the temp of the console - more minor squeaks in colder weather and virtually nothing at all in 75+ temps.
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I have a Japan built one because that's all that was available at the time. I've found a few minor assembly defects and have a few annoying rattles. If I'm not mistaken, reliability is not any different whether assembled in Japan or Kentucky. (My TCH would certainly be an example of not being better!)

    tom
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    I have not seen anyone complaining about a KY built TCH. Mine is one of the first imported and I don't have squeeks and rattles. There are some strange noises at times, but I think they are normal sounds considering what all is going on under the hood.

    Mine had to have an alignment but other than that only oil changes and scheduled inspections in 22,000 miles
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    I have not noticed that they were "blue". I'm used to HID's which were a lot better, but these are not bad. Not good, but not bad.
  • plknjplknj Member Posts: 121
    Have a Japanese built one and have no complaints. I drive a lot at night and wanted to have fog lights put in. The dealer said that my car was not equipped for an easy plug in and the cost would be around $1,000. At the risk of voiding my warranty I had xenon headlights installed. They make an incredible difference, so much so that I hardly ever use my brights. My dealer knows I put them in and I try to always tip the mechanics. Love my car.
  • jbolltjbollt Member Posts: 736
    I believe the "blue tinting" refers to the blueish chrome surrounds rather than to the lights themselves. So, I expect there is no difference between the TCH headlights and any other 2007 Camry's stock headlights. BTW, I find them to be fine for my "50 something" eyes.
  • pmanzapmanza Member Posts: 34
    Thanks everyone for your feedback. Even the dealer admitted that the cars from Japan seem "tighter" (his word). But it seems like they all may have the squeeky problems.

    Tough decision to make.
    Peggy
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    But it seems like they all may have the squeeky problems.

    That's what you get when you put two pieces of cheap plastic "tightly" together.
  • pmanzapmanza Member Posts: 34
    don't say that where the car manufacturers can hear you. Instead of putting in good quality materials "tightly" they will just use cheap plastic parts "loosely" so they don't squeek. Of course they may then fall off the car at frequent intervals but... We had a VW that my hubby described as "loose" he said he kept feeling like parts were going to drop off on the road although they never did.
    Peggy
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    It just surprises me that the TCH uses hard plastic. My 4Runner and especially my sons Scion Tc both use a whole lot nicer materials on the dash and console area. I realize the TCH and SE are an upscale model of the CE and LE. That's part of the problem where a model line runs both ends of the economic scale. The higher content cars don't always have better materials, just more options.

    Sort of like the older Mustang where you could get a stripped $20,000 model or a $40,000 Cobra. The $40,000 Cobra was still just a Mustang with a lot of goodies bolted on an upgraded suspension.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    You went from an Infiniti to the TCH. There had to be some down grading of material content. In reading the posts on the TCH I have come to the conclusion that it is so quiet that you notice little squeaks and such that may get by your ears on a noisier car.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    It may be quiet in so much as you don't hear the engine. I don't know what others are used to driving, but there is road noise and normal wind noise. I would rate it average as far as those noises. Yes, when sitting still you'll hear nothing. But on concrete highways at 70 mph and 20,000 miles on the tires it's not that quiet.

    My Infiniti,with 20" tires and the sweetest exhaust sound imaginable was far from a quiet ride. Had I drove it like the TCH I may have thought it quieter ;)
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    You went from an Infiniti to the TCH. There had to be some down grading of material content

    Ignoring the Infiniti issue, I'm more disapointed when I compare it to the 4Runner.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    I enjoy my TCH. Overall it's going to be one of the most satisfying ownership experiences I've had. And I've had many. It's just that they do use cheap plastic, the lights are average and it's a little dull inside with all that gray (charcoal would have been nice).

    What I like most is the payment (well, it's actually paid off), the 38mpg, the $6350 in tax credits, and possibly the fact that I may be able to sell this in a year or two for what I have in it. That makes all the trivial issues mentioned above less agrivating.
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