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If that doesn't sound like GM "cooked" it's books to make profits seem bigger, or, in GM's case, losses seem smaller, I don't know what would.
On one hand I'm thinking GM's doomed and then, on another hand, I want them to survive so the Pontiac Solstice and GM Daewoo Auto and Technology Company of South Korea can survive and continue making the Chevrolet Aveo and Suzuki Reno, etc.
The headache of dispatching that fledgling company's goods would hurt a lot of people for a long time. I find myself pulling for GM yet can't find enough reasons to seriously consider one of their rigs to buy. Huge pick-em-up trucks, Hummers and huge gas-guzzling SUV's are just not my cup of tea, baby.
I will take a look at the 2007 Chevrolet Aveo sedan, a new design for 2007. They left the hatchback the same as the 2006 hatchback model, for some reason. There is probably an improvement or two in the hatchback for 2007 over the 2006 model, as automakers usually do as they learn of their vehicles' weak spots as they go along and make improvements.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
To the truck's defense it was Black on Black, a combination which irks me. A lighter interior would have appealed to me more, probably.
I still prefer the Navigator inside, but the Cadillac outside now for 07. Guess I'll get the Lexus instead.
I am starting early looks at a concept from Dodge that most of you will dismiss right away because it's such a little mighty-mite, the Dodge Hornet. Supposedly selling for about $4,000 less than the lowest-priced Mini model and possessing the same 1.6L 4-cyl.that the Mini has. The Hornet will do 0-60 in 7.5 seconds and comes with a 6-speed tranny standard equipment. It's got the kind of body design that elicits double-takes(at least from types like me)and remains unusual looking. I like that sort of thing. Sounds louder than a Viper we're told in the article I read on it. Have to hear that one to believe it. Not that I've ever driven a Viper.
Evidently Dodge is looking to VW to build it, I don't know if I like that. Wouldn't doubt if it gets built in Mexico, either. I like their new Caliber and I can't wait to see the new Dodge Challenger come out in that orange we've seen in the car mags. Yikes. Blows their new Charger away!
Here's the Dodge Hornet in concept form.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
OK, I expected that. Let's conpare it to the Cobra then, it had radials in the test and didn't do as well as the 68 Vette 427.
The point is, when compared favorably to the most awesome sports cars of their time the Lexus still can't even be consider "sporting"?
I'm not pushing Lexus but I think it's getting a bum rap when you only compare it to a BMW550 to determine if it should be considered as a sporting sedan.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
If DaimlerChrysler is really on the nostalgia kick, it could offer the Hornet with a Levi's interior trim option and an "X" package.
Well, that could explain why the radios in Fords have gone to hell....had to put 5 head units in my Navigator to get one that worked correctly. But as to the NAV system, the Ford unit is almost identical to the Denso unit in my Toyota - just a little less deluxe..... If it's a Pioneer, then something is being shared or cloned.
Wished Cadillac would build a car just like it for $60K :sick:
Rocky
Exactly. The Visteon MACH radios of old blew away the new "audiophile" units from Delphi. The MACH300 in our past Escape was much better than the BOSE unit in my Mazda6 even. I never was a big fan of BOSE anyway and the unit in the 6 isn't helping their cause.
I'm pretty sure the Pioneer nav unit is new for 2006 so your older Navigator most likely has whatever make they used before. I thought it was a Visteon unit but I really don't know for sure.
It's because it shares a powerplant with the Camry. The Camry's relatively large, torquey 4 cylinder motor in a very lightweight car implies something sporty. You will notice the Celica went away when this car was introduced-because the tC is faster and much less expensive.
Still seems to me that the 2.4 in the tC should get better fuel economy. The tC is lighter than the Camry by a few hundred pounds, yet gets worse mileage, and really isn't much faster. I think 0-60 times are less than a second apart.
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060612/OPINION03/606120393/1148/- AUTO01
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
A lot of those buy here/pay here car lots do that.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
So did I, I thought I had a problem closing in on $5k in unsecured debt, imagine what I thought when I came across the couple with $200K in credit card debt. :sick:
I would bring up the issue and she would say, "I don't want to you to remind me that I have a problem. I want to date somebody to forget that I have a problem!" If I had married her, she'd have dragged me down with her.
Oh I agree, you cannot get involved with someone who has that type of problem, you would be inheriting that problem.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
500$ dollars worth of clothes? Thats alot of money to spend on clothes and you have a credit card rating problem and you just bought a 30,000 dollar car? what?
The only time I myself blow my money is down at the Jersey Shore at the boardwalk when I spend my money on those silly games on the boardwalk and thats like 3 times a year.
I hope you dated her long enough to pay all her bills. :shades: I think I did that a couple times. Finding a woman that is good with money is more important than Love these days.
Bottom line is dealers(all car makes) should turn down these people with bad credit. I mean the salesman who is selling these people with bad credit vehicles know these people cannot afford to pay off these cars. The salesman does check your credit rating if you are going to make monthly payments on car before he(the salesman goes into negotiating a deal on the car with you.) I do know that car salesman at least in New Jersey do ask you if you have a job and how much money you make in a year I think if you are making monthly payments on a car. If you are doing a cash deal on a car with no payments I don't think the salesman bother to check to see if you have a job or not.
As far as a car being faulsy identified as a demo or a repo it still wear and tear on the car regardless if its a demo or a repo in my opinion.
Don't dealerships care if the people can't pay for these cars due to their bad credit rating and yet they still sell to people with bad credit. I don't understand it.
The only sympathy I have with people who have bad credit is if you get out of marriage where the other respective spouse just rings up things on your credit card bill and you don't know about it. Than you have to go through gradually revamping you credit rating.
Wow, how is that possible???
You would have thought that when they hit the $50k or $100k mark that bells would have started to go off. They must have had good earplugs...
I don't think they should turn them down, just not take advantage of them and work with them to get something they can afford.
Don't dealerships care if the people can't pay for these cars due to their bad credit rating and yet they still sell to people with bad credit. I don't understand it.
Bad credit does not always equate to an inability to pay. Many people get bad credit due to many things including job lose and medical bills. These people that get back on their feet have the income to make the payments but still have the bad credit for a while. It takes time to repair credit.
The only sympathy I have with people who have bad credit is if you get out of marriage where the other respective spouse just rings up things on your credit card bill and you don't know about it. Than you have to go through gradually revamping you credit rating.
What about people who lose their jobs for no fault of their own, or have a serious illness that takes most of their funds?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I agree.
"Bad credit does not always equate to an inability to pay. Many people get bad credit due to many things including job lose and medical bills. These people that get back on their feet have the income to make the payments but still have the bad credit for a while. It takes time to repair credit."
OK, I understand.
"What about people who lose their jobs for no fault of their own, or have a serious illness that takes most of their funds?"
Alright, nicely put. I may have forgotten a few elements on why people have bad credit.
Does that mean that there should be a run on marrying people for their money only? Marriages of convenience they call them, right.
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For now, that will get her by - girls really can get by on their looks for a long time, and if they're good at their job, that's sauce for the goose. Someday though, looks will fade, and a credit rating would be nice to have.
However, she is probably living a life that needs an Acura to portray the level of competence and success she exudes. Like dress for success, a car is just a bigger business suit.
A Hyundai as a cheap commuter car, with a longer warranty, may make sense. What say you???
-Loren
If thats the case never borrow money to buy anything as nothing is guaranteed to go up in value. One should only buy on times those things that will either maintain a value over the loan value (or will in short order) or things that will allow you to create an inflow of revenue.
A Hyundai as a cheap commuter car, with a longer warranty, may make sense. What say you???
I would use the term "inexpensive" since cheap has a negative connotation.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
And yes, cheap, in this case as in inexpensive, or a prudent buy.
We agree.
I wonder what a Sonata Coupe would look like. I like the Tiburon, but it could be a little bigger and easier to get in and out of. Getting older and not younger, sad to say. :shades:
Here is a question. How many people prefer the looks of the Azera to the Sonata? Fully loaded the Sonata comes close to the base Azera. Something about the Tiburon still captures my eye. Oh my aching back though.
-Loren
Can we get back onto the topic please?
I don't think they should turn them down, just not take advantage of them and work with them to get something they can afford.
The rip is the worse your credit rating (risk) the higher the rate. The local dealer has a guy that specializes in financing for people that can't afford a car. Some of the rates are in the 24% range. I'm guessing a guy in the pool hall would give you a better rate.
They do it because they want to make money and they prey on people that have no choice (except to buy cheaper used cars).
While it is most likely to go up there is no guarantee. Let it be announced that the new freeway exit is right next to your property and watch the value go down. Or have a Wally world pop up behind you.
I like to looks of the Sonata better.
As for the Tib I am waiting the convertible.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
How's that for on topic. No hyundai PU trucks around here.
GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda..:Who will sell you your next car?
The ( ... ) covers all the rest
Unless it means a car made up of all them - there parts. I think I have seen a coupla cars like that, but not around here.
-Loren
Rocky
(If it helps, an Aston Martin is a Big 2.5 car...)
Let's see what else would I consider? In the GM line maybe a used Monte Carlo, or a Cadillac Deville or CTS. In the Ford line maybe a Fusion if had like say $4K off, and had side air bags. In the Toyota line, the Camry looks kinda interesting now, but not sure the price gets out of range for the six, and the four may not be enough power. Anyone driven one? The reviews point to less than sporty, or more numb steering. Best to drive the car yourself though to really tell. And I found seat comfort is what fits the individual. Owned a car said to have poor seats, which in turn became a car I liked best for seating of all my cars.
Honda Accord looks well made and it could be the four cylinder is enough power. Seems like Honda is the smoothest four bangers out there. The Civic Coupe is one of my new car styling favorites. Price is a little high for such a small car. Not sure I will go small car again.
To sum it all up, I don't know who will sell me the next car.
Heck, I considered keeping the PT and getting a toy like a used Mustang, Corvette, or say a Camaro with a V8. Did like my toy Miata, but it was so small. And I kept her outdoors, which ain't the best for any car, let alone a drop top.
Have not driven one, but the Buick Lucerne and the LaCrosse look kinda interesting. Could trade in my PT for a Lucerne or LaCrosse top of the line, in a couple years for something like $15K to $20K. The dealerships want a lot for used CTS now, but next year when the new CTS is out, I think a used say 2004 with the best engine, may not be too expensive. Private buy may make the most sense as the dealerships seem to have a pretty wide margin on these cars - but I could be wrong.
-Loren
Second choice is the Ferrari, but I would settle for a Bentley, I suppose.
-Loren
For example see post 2224.