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I believe that you speak for a large segment of the marketplace that will buy domestics if they like them, if the cars serve their needs, and if they feel that they can count on them. If they first improve the cars and then get the word out that they have improved, then I have little doubt that they could mount a comeback.
I just have my doubts that GM will do this and give Ford mixed odds for accomplishing this. Oddly enough, Chrysler seems to have the best shot at doing this, something I never thought that I would have said even 5-10 years ago.
Have a 70 year-old neighbor who has been driving since his teens. A few months ago, he test drove many brands of sedans (American and foreign) and bought a Hyundai Azera. He said he thought it was best value/quality for his price range. He said it was his first non-American brand vehicle he purchased in his life.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
What is amazing is I have not seen one on the road here in San Diego...
I was looking up data on death rates in cars, and the Miata seems to be relatively low for cars. Not exactly a massive size there. And no, I would not try it against the Abram Tank.
-Loren
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
But a smart and loveable one, Rocky. Ahem, I submit the following profiles for political cars....
Volvo - Liberal
Toyota - Bi-partison
Lexus - Conservative
Chevy - Liberal
Ford - Bi-partison
Dodge - Liberal
Mercedes - Bi-Partison
Jaguar - Conservative
Honda - Bi-partison
Nissan - Conservative
Cadillac - Bi-partison
Lincoln - Irrelevant
Hyundai - Conservative
Kia - Liberal
SAAB - Ultra Liberal
I don't care about crash ratings much, the cars today are all safe enough. But I'd rather have an S-500 over an LS430. I bought the LS430 though, based on quality ratings.
Bicycle - Green Party, Nader
Seriously, there is nothing liberating about the liberal agenda, and nothing conservative the conservatives these days. Only words - talk and more talk. And if one thinks things through, what they are saying would yield less freedom and liberation by both the left and right - dems and republicans. Liberal party, usually means with your wallet, and conservative usually means intrusion instead of less by the government. Oh yeah, and not particularly conservative with the spending. Kinda all blends into one.
Now, when you talk cars and image, the VW flower vase,or being stuck behind a slow moving Volvo does come to mind. I am seeing images of what type of driver is in the seat when thinking of Beetles and Volvos. I think I can usually guess that person. But that
would beis the prejudice.I thought they always cut you off in traffic. My perception was that Volvo drivers were the most discourteous. Now it is hard to find a courteous driver in any vehicle.
Rocky
Apparently there is a market for CXT. Kind of reminds me of those monster trucks that have pickup cabs mounted above huge gumball wheels and whose only purpose is to drive over lined-up junkyard cars.
Main point of CXT is intimidation. Have seen a few of these on the road. A Civic t-boning a CXT will incinerate the CXT occupants. If size matters, get a Peterbuilt tractor with mounted dump bed and put CXT to shame. Or, better yet, get a Peterbuilt wrecker complete with rear winch/hoist.
It is to scale, (according to ITEC) if you look at the picture you will notice a sizable portion of the H3 is sticking out the back and the front tires are resting on the very edge of the tailgate.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Don't believe it. Wonder if that CXT could even hold a 4x8 plywood in its bed.
It is my understanding that the main market for the CXT is farming, ranching, construction and transportation (towing) of mobile homes larger boats and the like.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Then don't.
Wonder if that CXT could even hold a 4x8 plywood in its bed.
Most likely could, I will take a look during lunch. I have a brochure on the RXT and it states that it is 8 feet wide and I would expect the CXT to be the same width. That means it should be able to hold that easily.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
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Like the stories told by atlvibe and xrunner2, brands like GM and Ford never were in the running on this go around.
Yeah, it should be able to hold a 4x8 sheet of plywood easily, because it's just your normal standard-sized 8-foot Ford pickup bed. Keep in mind that, while the truck itself is about 8 feet wide, the bed has those stick-out fenders that they use on dually pickups. The bed itself is still just your stock pickup bed, about 48-49" between the fender wells, and maybe 65-66" between the top rails.
A lot of a heavy-duty truck's width is made up by the running boards and the front fenders, which stick out wide. The cab itself isn't really any wider than a pickup truck cab. In fact, many tractor trailers have used pickup cabs over the years.
The cab itself isn't really any wider than a pickup truck cab. In fact,
The cab is very wide and spacious, almost to the degree of a semi. Much bigger than a regular pickup truck.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I found the ad a little offensive, partly because of Honda's use of the images and the lack of taste. I.e., Honda wouldn't sell me a Ridgeline by making it seem semitrucklike with the association of the two images.
Have others seen the ad?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
More taste - less filling.
I should write their ads....
........... or maybe not :shades:
-Loren
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more than a faded memory of my old
self.
-Loren
Rocky
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Sylvia, "Forums Software! Your Questions Answered..." #2749, 8 Jul 2006 6:42 am
Rather than cross-posting I'll just link to the explanation.
BTW did you notice the orange, rectangular boxes for buttons.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
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Rocky
Seems like they had a hard time coming even half the way close to Honda and Yamaha in American motorcycle sales. Why then the cars? Do people buy them? Is the resale still the worse of any car? How do they hold on?
Anyone out there buying a Suzuki or Mitsubishi?
Will those two be around by the end this decades end in the States?
No matter how good the car, if the dealerships are few and far between, and the resale is not there, the rest becomes meaningless. Will these cars become as rare a sighting as a Packard, Studebaker, Alfa Romeo, Yugo, Renault...... or?
-Loren
And as far as Mitsu goes, I would have no problem checking out one of their vehicles if I were shopping in their respective classes. They have a much better chance of selling me a vehicle than say Kia or GM...
Yes, I know someone that had a Grand Vitara and liked it. Actually both of the two mentioned companies may have the product, but it has to sell more and be in more dealerships to keep the forward progress going on. I wonder if Kia may actually be selling more these days. Lots of push. I never even look at them, but would rather consider the Hyundai. Selling network is stronger. -Loren
The new Grand Vitara and later this year XL7: two decent crossover SUVS in a SEA of very decent crossovers all made by manufacturers with bigger ad budgets, more brand awareness, and a million dealers.
Actually, the GV has been redesigned to be more crossover-like yet still a bit more rugged than the typical crossovers, for better offroad ability, which flies in the face of every trend in that segment, and drags down its fuel economy at a time when oil prices have never been higher and gas just will not come down. Plus, the engine is less than inspiring.
Rumors have floated around about Suzuki making murmurs that it might "temporarily" withdraw from the North Amrican market. I think that's likely in the next few years. The new GV and XL7 are their last shot I think. If they don't increase sales like crazy, it's adios Suzuki by 2010.
Mitsu is bigger, but can't continue to suffer like this (sales finally holding steady or improving year over year, but still 30 and 40% below their levels 5 years ago, and dealers falling like flies all around) for too much longer before they rethink the NA market as well.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Who cares, Loren? They're "incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial"....to quote Hamilton Burger....
But it's not enough to make me run out and buy one. I did kinda like the goofy little Aerio, too. But again, I'm not willing to back up that sentiment with any cold, hard cash.
Does Suzuki really build anything of its own in the Japanese market? I know the Reno/Forenza/Verona are just rebadged Daewoos. And the Aerios' been discontinued I think. Then there's the Assender, which I'm sure they're not going to sell in Japan.
So is the Vitara the only thing they actually build themselves these days?
Suzuki is the major player in Japan's micro-car market. Suzuki itself is a sales leader and it makes micro-cars for Nissan as well.
None of these cars are exported to the US. I am not sure whether Suzuki exports any of them elsewhere.
The Vitara, a handsome little truck, by the way, is the only vehicle Suzuki makes for sale in the US, anyway.
They still sell the Aerio, which is all Suzuki Japan. The Reno/Verona/Forenza (Verona discontinued, right?) are all Daewoos, you are correct.
Plus, hello everyone, there is also the XL7, which is also all Suzuki Japan.
And yes, Suzuki is the king of microcars in its home market. it's a shame, Suzuki does so well in Japan, but they could never really gain a foothold here. It will be a bit of a relief for everyone when they are gone, I think.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Driver's of the Forenza's liked to "mix it up" on the freeways, too. Aggressive driving-the cars must be fairly comfortable for them to drive zip-quicky.
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Really, Suzuki is making some better looking cars these days. It is simply lost amongst the rest however. Too much capacity in the World for car building.
-Loren