You’re right, it is Canadian. It’s the Canadian version of the Optima sold here in the USA and they’re another Korean car; part of the Hyundai Corp. and we all know about the crap they make. Who do they think they are anyway thinking they know how to build cars? First it was the Japanese now them? What next, China? Maybe even Mexico. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
OK, so what the heck is a Kia Magentis? Crazy Canadians....
I assumed (and we all know how fatal that can be) youz guys had Kia Magentis's, but JMonroe is correct..it is the European name for an Optima.
I like some features on my BMW like the passenger mirror slanting down, I miss an outside temperature gauge, I find it a little odd that there is only one Drive position (no 2 and 3), it is a little less solid than the Bimmer, and the engine though adequate doesn't have the same power, but at about half the price this is a pretty good car. It reminds me of about a 10 year old Accord.. The 2011 looks really nice.....
Sorry about that picture above. They have found a way you use the picture and when you can't edit it it morphs into an advertisement. More dishonesty in advertising. I guess they could say I am stealing their pictures, but they could put a little credit blip at the bottom of the picture.
Here's the real 2011 Optima/Magentis and I don't know why they use the name Magentis in Canada, it sounds like a disease.
It's the car biz why would you expect anything else.
That interior pic of the Magentis surprises me a little although it shouldn't. The Megentis/Optima is not a luxury or near luxury car but I see a nav system in it and all the other goodies. I guess no matter what car is offered the thought must be to offer everything. It makes it very easy for those that should be buying basic transportation to pay more than what they should for a car and I have to believe it's these people who are the ones that are continually upside down with a car and in debt with just about everything else they do too.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
JM,I know where you are coming from. But, i think they are catering toward people that could spend more, but don't feel the need to.
That, and some of what us "old timers" might think of as luxury options are pretty much considered standard now. Stuff like fancier radio, connectivity (USB, Ipod, bluetooth), sat radio, manumatics, and of course power everything.
and some of the stuff that still seems high end (maybe because of what they charge for it) really shouldn't be any more, since it is really pretty cheap to build in.
things like the big display screens and even nav. When you can but a high end Garmin with a giant screen for a few hundred bucks, I still don't see why a built in one should go for 2K. Look at ford and all the sync stuff.
that screen also replaces the HVAC displays, and the radio display, so there is economy there.
But, i think they are catering toward people that could spend more, but don't feel the need to.
JM made an interesting observations but I think your reply was right on. Electronics are so cheap to produce and they create such a wow factor. I have seen peoples eyes light up because of the Ford Sync system, it seems easy enoughto use even computer challenged people. I am amazed at how this Kia Optima/Magentis has all the basic features including safety lights on the doors, extra airbags in the roof pillar and dash, fuel and trunk release buttons inside. You are really getting everything you need for a pretty low price. You can actually buy a low priced car with lots of content...is this a great country (Canada and US) or what?
IMO Kia and Hyundai are possibly the top car companies right now. Most people just don't know it yet !!
That is true and here is some proof to back that up:
Things have been really going well for Hyundai in America. The Korean car manufacturer managed to finish 2009 with bigger sales than in 2008, it launched a lot of new models and will continue to do so according to their “24/7 Version 2.0,” campaign which announces 7 new models in the next 24 months.
Hyundai has a new reason to be proud, as its 2011 Sonata GLS with automatic transmission received a 36-month residual value of 54 percent of manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) from Automotive Lease Guide (ALG). Sonata had the best residual value, topping important competitors like Toyota, Nissan, Ford, and Chevrolet, or even premium brands such as Lexus, BMW and Mercedes.
The Korean model had better residual values than Honda, depreciating $640 over a three-year period less than a comparably-equipped 2010 Accord.
Hyundai is probably the top or near the very top auto company when it comes to a combination of; increasing sales,overall value, residual value, and reliability.
Would have been back sooner but was recovering from a bad case of magentis....
I figured you were talking about what we call an Optima. I had the previous generation Optima as a rental at one point and there was nothing at all wrong with it - a decent, reasonably equipped car. Nothing you'd aspire to but it did teh job and reasonably comfortable.
I love the look of the 2011 design.
In terms of what's considered basic these days I had a surprise when I had an Accent a few months back as a rental. It was as stripped as they come - crank windows even - but it had an aux outlet and a USB port.
I'm actually shopping a used Korean car as we speak - because they're cheap and reliable.
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well, they pretty much said all that (justifiably) about japanese cars at one point.
and the guys publishing (or using) those numbers have money on the table, so they can't be dismissed as fluff.
and by any measure I have seen, the reliability of hyundai has been just fine in the more recent generation. Plus they do very well in comparison tests.
How much time do you want to tell the reliability of a Hyundai? I had a 2000 that went 180K (I might still have it with over 200K if I didn't take a side trip and found my wifes dream car) that had been as reliable as you could get in a car. All the friends and family I Know that have Hundais state they theirs is very reliable. Not to mention that according to most reports their reliability has increased.
I would think that Hyundais reliability is as good, if not better, than anyone welses, including Honda.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
JM made an interesting observations but I think your reply was right on. Electronics are so cheap to produce and they create such a wow factor.
I thought I made a pretty good point and ‘stick’ also made a good point. As for the electronics being “so cheap”, I don’t agree with that but I do agree with the “wow factor” bit.
Nav systems are not cheap nor are the 6 CD changer thingamabobs; just to name two. I just priced a basic 2010 Optima and a top of the line 2010 Optima here at Edmunds and this is what Edmunds said for the Burgh area:
Basic 2010 Optima with the typically equipped convenience package and cargo tray (I like this option, $60, so I added this):
MSRP: 20,700 TMV: 17,977
Top of the line 2010 V6 Optima with the typically equipped premium package, cargo tray and Nav ($1200 and not a typically equipped option but since your pic showed this which was the basis for my comment, I included it here):
MSRP: 26,750 TMV: 23,195
Like I said, “the Optima is a basic transportation car and you can get carried away with all the goodies it offers”. I understand that there are some people who can afford to spend more but like the value of a basic car and can afford to bam it up but most can’t, yet they won’t or can’t deny themselves.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
(I might still have it with over 200K if I didn't take a side trip and found my wifes dream car)
I should know this but I forgot, unless it is the Sebring convertible...What was your wife's dream car? Trade in a Hyundai for it? Just when they are making a mark and getting higher trade ins.
I thought I made a pretty good point and ‘stick’ also made a good point. As for the electronics being “so cheap”,
Yes, you always make good points too JM. And you were ahead of the curve buying a Hyundai even before all of this positive news started coming out..you are a true trailblazer. The electronics I was thinking of were the simple gizmos, like this Optima has a nice easy to use radio with digital readouts, a button for the filler door to open, a trunk release button, a trip odometer, a manual lever to raise and lower the drivers seat. It's not expensive stuff but it's all there in this stripper rental model. And it drives and handles nicely. I am impressed.
I've usually shyed away from these places due to the fact that they always try to "upsell." Well, last night on my way home from my in laws on Long Island, I heard a slight clank. I gave my Prelude some gas and it sounded awful. It was loud and back pressure was non exsistent. Damn. I pull over and notice my exhaust is hanging by only one of the 2 rubber hangers. I drive home in limp mode & about 2 miles away I hear a clunk. The exhaust system split off from the catalytic converter back.
So the only place open on Sunday was Midas. They welded a new resonator & hung the rest of the exhaust system. They quoted me $273 & I was told they could do it for $175 cash. No problem. I came back a few hours later & the car was done. He told me my air filter was dirty & needed replacing, but I could get a new filter @ autozone. He also said my left front ball joint was a little loose, but nothing alarming.
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And you were ahead of the curve buying a Hyundai even before all of this positive news started coming out..you are a true trailblazer.
Not at all. I bought my first Hyundai in 2005. Hyundai had already acquired a pretty good reliability rating by then. I might be a "trailblazer" but not when I'm spending the kind of money it takes to buy a car.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
well, my family had some early adopters. My Grandmother bought a IIRC 1986 Excel 2 door hatch new. Strippo model, MS, stick, no AC. Odd choice for a 4'10" 80ish YO women. Guess I know which side the cheap gene comes from..
anyway, what a bomber. Brand new, it drove old. made my 1975 Corolla seem modern, and my almost new 1985 Colt GTS seem like a mercedes.
My sister moved upmarket. She went for a Sonata (1st US version, so 88-93 someplace). 4 door, stick. And not just one. Her husband got one too, so they were a 2 Hyundai family before JM made it chic.
never drove one, but did ride in it, and remember it being nice. They also did not have any notable issues IIRC.
They quoted me $273 & I was told they could do it for $175 cash
Cash can sure make a difference. So, I guess you don't mind not having a guaranty or an invoice? For that much difference i wouldnt either, but i am surprised that a chain would do that.
Then upload to your picture hosting service (photobucket.com, e.g.) and then link to it there.
Sounds like a good way to do it. I'll remember for next time though it will be easier to find another picture, also I will have to learn the ones that do that...so far it is just that one.
So, what do you drive? Almost 200k miles on the Hyundai. I often think about trying to keep a car going for as long as I can just for the fun of it, but I think you would have to do your own repairs to win at that game.
Maybe since I bought mine in 2000 I am the trailblazer here
I nominate you the real trailblazer here. You bought your Hyundai just as they started to get their act together. JMonroe knew Hyundai's were reliable when he got his Gennie, Stickguy's Accent was before Hyundai's were actually rated very reliable.
You all get credit for taking a bit of a risk though, and coming out a winner.
Since you'll be in the market for a new SUV, I thought you might find this interesting. We (dealers) had a chance to review the 2011 Grand Cherokee at a recent "ride and drive". I shot some videos (one of them is on my carspace page here) and took some pictures, including writing a quick review about the new Jeep.
If you're interested it's here: 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee review. Let me know if you have any questions about it. I know I may be slightly biased because I sell them, but I did come away very impressed with it.
Other than that, I started learning Fleet at work so now am extra busy with my internet sales, marketing, website maintenance and populating inventory with photos and details, and now Fleet. Surprisingly there is very little money to be made in fleet, but fleet customers do get gigantic discounts not available to the public or even us staff. So we're mostly counting on huge volume to maek any profit in fleet.
Although my son's '03 Elantra has been wonderfully reliable and inexpensive to maintain and operate, it has been resting quietly on the GG estate for the last month. I drove it over the weekend just to keep it moving a bit.
Fact is, aside from some mild abuse my son has put it through in the last 7 years, for having 100K miles on it, it runs really well. Doesn't leak or burn anything. Everything still works. No egregious squeaks or rattles.
I still should put a "for sale" sign on it and see if I can get it sold. But, it's not hurting anyone. It cost next to nothing to insure. And, it's nice to have around if/when I need to load something up from Lowes which might dirty up the other cars in my corral.
My wife's '01 Elantra has been a good car. 74K miles in 9 years (she has a short commute). No mechanical repairs needed & the only other repair I can recall was when the rear defrost switch went out a couple of years back. Other than that it's been routine maintenance. There have been a couple of recalls, but no brand is immune from that.
Considering the Sonata has cracked the top ten sellers list it would appear that more and more people have revised their opinion of Hyundai, and maybe Korean vehicles in general, to reflect modern times v. how they were 25 or even 15 years ago.
My Mom is the opposite. She has a Chevrolet Aveo with manual door locks and crank windows. Funny thing about the Aveo is that it has a radio (no tape or CD) and A/C. A generation or two ago, those would've been frivolous luxuries. It's something that CR rates the Aveo as the worst new car out there. I didn't think it was so bad for a car that is essential what is now considered "basic transportation." If this is the very worst car currently in the NA market, today's cars must be really awesome.
I think you are right on the Aveo. It is pretty much impossible to buy a truly bad new car anymore. Of course this adds to the arguments over which make is better than what since they've reached the point of all being pretty good.
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It is pretty much impossible to buy a truly bad new car anymore
that's a good point. I can't think of any car that is a disaster...from reviews I read and from observations. And, there seems to be few real lemons as well.
>It is pretty much impossible to buy a truly bad new car anymore that's a good point. I can't think of any car that is a disaster...
You might want to read about the Odyssey transmission failures in the honda pattern, over and over; even the replacements fail. Or the CR-V compressors for the AC.
That’s because it ain’t worth nothing. If you want proof, put it on a dealers used car lot and then you’ll know for sure. I heard that somewhere so it must be true.
And, it's nice to have around if/when I need to load something up from Lowes which might dirty up the other cars in my corral.
Now you’ve found the perfect use for a throw-away.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
There is no doubt in my mind that the reliability of Hyundai has dramatically improved which is a good thing.
Unfortunatly, the first offerings from Korea were less than stellar. Then another Korean make tried to elbow their way into an already overcrowded marketplace.
Check out the reliability of a Daewoo. They were horrible.
Now, the first Hondas and Toyotas were crude and primitive but they were rock solid reliable unlike the Korean makes.
No question, a few years of Odysseys had transmission problems.
They didn't ALL have problems. Most didn't but, still for Honda it was much higher than normal. To their credit, Honda stepped up to the plate and extended the warranties and took care of their customers.
Very few CRV's had any A/C compressor problems. This was hugely overblown in the complaint forums. No greater failure rate than any other Honda.
You might want to read about the Odyssey transmission failures in the honda pattern, over and over; even the replacements fail. Or the CR-V compressors for the AC.
Both the Odyssey & the CR-V are hugely popular in my neighborhood - I myself have an '06 CR-V - & I don't know anyone who's had either of these problems.
You have to remember that the Internet is an enormous amplifier. Perhaps only 1 Odyssey in a quarter million has a bad transmission, but that unlucky owner will post over & over again. Few if any of the other 249,999 Odyssey owners will bother to volunteer their positive experiences.
If you're old enough to have been buying & driving cars in the 70s & early 80s, you'll know that driver100 is absolutely right - today's cars are incomparably more reliable. The worst car built today would have been hailed as a miracle of reliability 30 years ago.
My '78 VW Rabbit & '80 Audi 5000 were such dogs that I swore that I'd never again buy a German car, but my '01 BMW 330i, which is about to celebrate its 9th birthday, has been as trouble-free as any Japanese make.
>Honda stepped up to the plate and extended the warranties and took care of their customers
I'm not sure that's what happened. It looks like the pricing is that sometimes Honda pays half of an exaggeratedly high price for exchange with a rebuilt unit.
A friend has a CR-V that's a couple years old now. I'll have to ask him how his compressor is doing.
"We've had same problem. First compressor failed in the 60k mileage, husband replaced with "aftermarket" part -- when he went to pick up part, parts man said he had sold THREE that same day. One year later, same problem, different compressor. In calling to find part, am frequently told that there appears to be problem because of the large number of calls for compressors. Called Honda dealer, didn't know anything about this. Too many calls to many different distributors indicate they MUST know; and they are trying to keep "in house"."
This reminded me that aftermarket suppliers can tell you what goes wrong on different cars. Just like appliance parts counter people. They kept telling me that electronics in newer washers and dryers were a problem. When we bought our new Whirlpool with electronics from Lowes last year, I bought an extended warranty for one of the first times in my life.
>If you're old enough to have been buying & driving cars in the 70s & early 80s, you'll know that driver100 is absolutely right - today's cars are incomparably more reliable.
And they were much easier to work on. When you could stand in the engine compartment with a V8 motor, it was easy access. :P
> The worst car built today would have been hailed as a miracle of reliability 30 years ago.
Right on. That's what makes the folks who stand and scream about how awful their GM was from a recent year sound off key. The history of some foreign brands has gone down since 2003 and some/most US brands have improved. The differential in problems is much closer to where it becomes owner upkeep that makes a big difference.
You can ask me too. Our 2003 CRV has been absoultly trouble free.
In 2002, I sold a new CRV to a customer who has over 350,000 miles on it the last time I checked. Yes, that's 350,000 miles.
His A/C compressor did fail at (I think) 260,000 miles. It didn't actually "fail" but it started making a lot of noise so he had our shop exchange it.
He also had a brake caliper freeze up around the same time. Other than that, it's just been scheduled maintenance. It doesn't use any oil between changes.
As far as the Odyssey transmissions, a lot of it depends on the care the car has received. I saw them replace a transmission on an Odyssey at 120,000 miles. No charge. The Odyssey had been serviced by us since it was new and it had been well taken care of and we had all of the records.
If it came in with filthy transmission fluid and the Odyssey showed a total lack of care and a Class 3 trailer hitch, they may have had to pay half.
Funny, if this were a domestic minivan, a transmission failure at 100,000 miles would be considered normal.
I did experience one of the Ody transmission failures but Honda took care of everything including a rental instantly. They made sure the rental held 7 people as well (they gave me an Explorer). The dealership had to order the tranny but the whole thing took 3 days start to finish.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
It has to be remembered that a lot of failures are the direct result of abuse.
People overload minivans. They pack them with people and equipment and the use them as tow vehicles. They skimp on maintenance and then they gripe when their transmission doesn't last forever!
Out of the three minivans I've had two blew the tranny. The other tranny was the famous Windstall. The Ford folks made you feel like a criminal for expecting more than 80K out of a transmission even though they had a known flaw in it that was fixed the next year. Unlike the Honda experience I payed every nickel on the Ford.
I do think that some of the manufacturers put drivetrains in vans that aren't meant for that kind of load. That was a Taurus transmission in the Windstall.
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Crazy Canadians....
You’re right, it is Canadian. It’s the Canadian version of the Optima sold here in the USA and they’re another Korean car; part of the Hyundai Corp. and we all know about the crap they make. Who do they think they are anyway thinking they know how to build cars? First it was the Japanese now them? What next, China? Maybe even Mexico. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Crazy Canadians....
I assumed (and we all know how fatal that can be) youz guys had Kia Magentis's,
but JMonroe is correct..it is the European name for an Optima.
I like some features on my BMW like the passenger mirror slanting down, I miss an outside temperature gauge, I find it a little odd that there is only one Drive position (no 2 and 3), it is a little less solid than the Bimmer, and the engine though adequate doesn't have the same power, but at about half the price this is a pretty good car. It reminds me of about a 10 year old Accord..
The 2011 looks really nice.....
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Here's the real 2011 Optima/Magentis and I don't know why they use the name Magentis in Canada, it sounds like a disease.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
It's the car biz why would you expect anything else.
That interior pic of the Magentis surprises me a little although it shouldn't. The Megentis/Optima is not a luxury or near luxury car but I see a nav system in it and all the other goodies. I guess no matter what car is offered the thought must be to offer everything. It makes it very easy for those that should be buying basic transportation to pay more than what they should for a car and I have to believe it's these people who are the ones that are continually upside down with a car and in debt with just about everything else they do too.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
That, and some of what us "old timers" might think of as luxury options are pretty much considered standard now. Stuff like fancier radio, connectivity (USB, Ipod, bluetooth), sat radio, manumatics, and of course power everything.
and some of the stuff that still seems high end (maybe because of what they charge for it) really shouldn't be any more, since it is really pretty cheap to build in.
things like the big display screens and even nav. When you can but a high end Garmin with a giant screen for a few hundred bucks, I still don't see why a built in one should go for 2K. Look at ford and all the sync stuff.
that screen also replaces the HVAC displays, and the radio display, so there is economy there.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
JM made an interesting observations but I think your reply was right on. Electronics are so cheap to produce and they create such a wow factor.
I have seen peoples eyes light up because of the Ford Sync system, it seems easy enoughto use even computer challenged people.
I am amazed at how this Kia Optima/Magentis has all the basic features including safety lights on the doors, extra airbags in the roof pillar and dash, fuel and trunk release buttons inside. You are really getting everything you need for a pretty low price.
You can actually buy a low priced car with lots of content...is this a great country (Canada and US) or what?
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2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
That is true and here is some proof to back that up:
Things have been really going well for Hyundai in America. The Korean car manufacturer managed to finish 2009 with bigger sales than in 2008, it launched a lot of new models and will continue to do so according to their “24/7 Version 2.0,” campaign which announces 7 new models in the next 24 months.
Hyundai has a new reason to be proud, as its 2011 Sonata GLS with automatic transmission received a 36-month residual value of 54 percent of manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) from Automotive Lease Guide (ALG). Sonata had the best residual value, topping important competitors like Toyota, Nissan, Ford, and Chevrolet, or even premium brands such as Lexus, BMW and Mercedes.
The Korean model had better residual values than Honda, depreciating $640 over a three-year period less than a comparably-equipped 2010 Accord.
read more: residual value 2011 Sonata
Hyundai is probably the top or near the very top auto company when it comes to a combination of; increasing sales,overall value, residual value, and reliability.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Korean cars have horrible resale values compared to Honda or Toyota!
They bomb at the auctions and are used cars that are VERY difficult to sell.
Just because someone prints something it doesn't mean it's real!
Time will tell on the relialibility part.
It's amazing what short memories Americans have!
I figured you were talking about what we call an Optima. I had the previous generation Optima as a rental at one point and there was nothing at all wrong with it - a decent, reasonably equipped car. Nothing you'd aspire to but it did teh job and reasonably comfortable.
I love the look of the 2011 design.
In terms of what's considered basic these days I had a surprise when I had an Accent a few months back as a rental. It was as stripped as they come - crank windows even - but it had an aux outlet and a USB port.
I'm actually shopping a used Korean car as we speak - because they're cheap and reliable.
and the guys publishing (or using) those numbers have money on the table, so they can't be dismissed as fluff.
and by any measure I have seen, the reliability of hyundai has been just fine in the more recent generation. Plus they do very well in comparison tests.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I would think that Hyundais reliability is as good, if not better, than anyone welses, including Honda.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I thought I made a pretty good point and ‘stick’ also made a good point. As for the electronics being “so cheap”, I don’t agree with that but I do agree with the “wow factor” bit.
Nav systems are not cheap nor are the 6 CD changer thingamabobs; just to name two. I just priced a basic 2010 Optima and a top of the line 2010 Optima here at Edmunds and this is what Edmunds said for the Burgh area:
Basic 2010 Optima with the typically equipped convenience package and cargo tray (I like this option, $60, so I added this):
MSRP: 20,700
TMV: 17,977
Top of the line 2010 V6 Optima with the typically equipped premium package, cargo tray and Nav ($1200 and not a typically equipped option but since your pic showed this which was the basis for my comment, I included it here):
MSRP: 26,750
TMV: 23,195
Like I said, “the Optima is a basic transportation car and you can get carried away with all the goodies it offers”. I understand that there are some people who can afford to spend more but like the value of a basic car and can afford to bam it up but most can’t, yet they won’t or can’t deny themselves.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I guess you haven't learned anything here have you? :confuse:
You'll be the sorry one. Just don't want your fingers to slip off your tear drenched key board when you tell us of all the problems you're having.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I should know this but I forgot, unless it is the Sebring convertible...What was your wife's dream car?
Trade in a Hyundai for it? Just when they are making a mark and getting higher trade ins.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Yes, you always make good points too JM. And you were ahead of the curve buying a Hyundai even before all of this positive news started coming out..you are a true trailblazer.
The electronics I was thinking of were the simple gizmos, like this Optima has a nice easy to use radio with digital readouts, a button for the filler door to open, a trunk release button, a trip odometer, a manual lever to raise and lower the drivers seat. It's not expensive stuff but it's all there in this stripper rental model. And it drives and handles nicely. I am impressed.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
So the only place open on Sunday was Midas. They welded a new resonator & hung the rest of the exhaust system. They quoted me $273 & I was told they could do it for $175 cash. No problem. I came back a few hours later & the car was done. He told me my air filter was dirty & needed replacing, but I could get a new filter @ autozone. He also said my left front ball joint was a little loose, but nothing alarming.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Try doing a save to your own computer on the picture. Then upload to your picture hosting service (photobucket.com, e.g.) and then link to it there.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I disagree with that. Any looseness in a ball joint IS cause for alarm.
I'd have it replaced SOON.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Not at all. I bought my first Hyundai in 2005. Hyundai had already acquired a pretty good reliability rating by then. I might be a "trailblazer" but not when I'm spending the kind of money it takes to buy a car.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
anyway, what a bomber. Brand new, it drove old. made my 1975 Corolla seem modern, and my almost new 1985 Colt GTS seem like a mercedes.
My sister moved upmarket. She went for a Sonata (1st US version, so 88-93 someplace). 4 door, stick. And not just one. Her husband got one too, so they were a 2 Hyundai family before JM made it chic.
never drove one, but did ride in it, and remember it being nice. They also did not have any notable issues IIRC.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Cash can sure make a difference. So, I guess you don't mind not having a guaranty or an invoice? For that much difference i wouldnt either, but i am surprised that a chain would do that.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Sounds like a good way to do it. I'll remember for next time though it will be easier to find another picture, also I will have to learn the ones that do that...so far it is just that one.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
So, what do you drive?
Almost 200k miles on the Hyundai. I often think about trying to keep a car going for as long as I can just for the fun of it, but I think you would have to do your own repairs to win at that game.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I nominate you the real trailblazer here. You bought your Hyundai just as they started to get their act together. JMonroe knew Hyundai's were reliable when he got his Gennie, Stickguy's Accent was before Hyundai's were actually rated very reliable.
You all get credit for taking a bit of a risk though, and coming out a winner.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
If you're interested it's here: 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee review. Let me know if you have any questions about it. I know I may be slightly biased because I sell them, but I did come away very impressed with it.
Other than that, I started learning Fleet at work so now am extra busy with my internet sales, marketing, website maintenance and populating inventory with photos and details, and now Fleet. Surprisingly there is very little money to be made in fleet, but fleet customers do get gigantic discounts not available to the public or even us staff. So we're mostly counting on huge volume to maek any profit in fleet.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Fact is, aside from some mild abuse my son has put it through in the last 7 years, for having 100K miles on it, it runs really well. Doesn't leak or burn anything. Everything still works. No egregious squeaks or rattles.
I still should put a "for sale" sign on it and see if I can get it sold. But, it's not hurting anyone. It cost next to nothing to insure. And, it's nice to have around if/when I need to load something up from Lowes which might dirty up the other cars in my corral.
but I think you would have to do your own repairs to win at that game.
Well with the Hyundai all I had to do was normal routine maintenance. Never really had any problems with it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Considering the Sonata has cracked the top ten sellers list it would appear that more and more people have revised their opinion of Hyundai, and maybe Korean vehicles in general, to reflect modern times v. how they were 25 or even 15 years ago.
I thought that award went to the Pony.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
that's a good point. I can't think of any car that is a disaster...from reviews I read and from observations. And, there seems to be few real lemons as well.
Cars have come a long way.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
that's a good point. I can't think of any car that is a disaster...
You might want to read about the Odyssey transmission failures in the honda pattern, over and over; even the replacements fail.
Or the CR-V compressors for the AC.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That’s because it ain’t worth nothing. If you want proof, put it on a dealers used car lot and then you’ll know for sure. I heard that somewhere so it must be true.
And, it's nice to have around if/when I need to load something up from Lowes which might dirty up the other cars in my corral.
Now you’ve found the perfect use for a throw-away.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Unfortunatly, the first offerings from Korea were less than stellar. Then another Korean make tried to elbow their way into an already overcrowded marketplace.
Check out the reliability of a Daewoo. They were horrible.
Now, the first Hondas and Toyotas were crude and primitive but they were rock solid reliable unlike the Korean makes.
I think they are MUCH better cars then they were a few years ago.
I still think there are better choices for the same money but that's me.
They didn't ALL have problems. Most didn't but, still for Honda it was much higher than normal. To their credit, Honda stepped up to the plate and extended the warranties and took care of their customers.
Very few CRV's had any A/C compressor problems. This was hugely overblown in the complaint forums. No greater failure rate than any other Honda.
Or the CR-V compressors for the AC.
Both the Odyssey & the CR-V are hugely popular in my neighborhood - I myself have an '06 CR-V - & I don't know anyone who's had either of these problems.
You have to remember that the Internet is an enormous amplifier. Perhaps only 1 Odyssey in a quarter million has a bad transmission, but that unlucky owner will post over & over again. Few if any of the other 249,999 Odyssey owners will bother to volunteer their positive experiences.
If you're old enough to have been buying & driving cars in the 70s & early 80s, you'll know that driver100 is absolutely right - today's cars are incomparably more reliable. The worst car built today would have been hailed as a miracle of reliability 30 years ago.
My '78 VW Rabbit & '80 Audi 5000 were such dogs that I swore that I'd never again buy a German car, but my '01 BMW 330i, which is about to celebrate its 9th birthday, has been as trouble-free as any Japanese make.
I'm not sure that's what happened. It looks like the pricing is that sometimes Honda pays half of an exaggeratedly high price for exchange with a rebuilt unit.
A friend has a CR-V that's a couple years old now. I'll have to ask him how his compressor is doing.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0d3fb5/1424#MSG1424
"We've had same problem. First compressor failed in the 60k mileage, husband replaced with "aftermarket" part -- when he went to pick up part, parts man said he had sold THREE that same day. One year later, same problem, different compressor. In calling to find part, am frequently told that there appears to be problem because of the large number of calls for compressors. Called Honda dealer, didn't know anything about this. Too many calls to many different distributors indicate they MUST know; and they are trying to keep "in house"."
This reminded me that aftermarket suppliers can tell you what goes wrong on different cars. Just like appliance parts counter people. They kept telling me that electronics in newer washers and dryers were a problem. When we bought our new Whirlpool with electronics from Lowes last year, I bought an extended warranty for one of the first times in my life.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
And they were much easier to work on. When you could stand in the engine compartment with a V8 motor, it was easy access. :P
> The worst car built today would have been hailed as a miracle of reliability 30 years ago.
Right on. That's what makes the folks who stand and scream about how awful their GM was from a recent year sound off key. The history of some foreign brands has gone down since 2003 and some/most US brands have improved. The differential in problems is much closer to where it becomes owner upkeep that makes a big difference.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
In 2002, I sold a new CRV to a customer who has over 350,000 miles on it the last time I checked. Yes, that's 350,000 miles.
His A/C compressor did fail at (I think) 260,000 miles. It didn't actually "fail" but it started making a lot of noise so he had our shop exchange it.
He also had a brake caliper freeze up around the same time. Other than that, it's just been scheduled maintenance. It doesn't use any oil between changes.
As far as the Odyssey transmissions, a lot of it depends on the care the car has received. I saw them replace a transmission on an Odyssey at 120,000 miles. No charge. The Odyssey had been serviced by us since it was new and it had been well taken care of and we had all of the records.
If it came in with filthy transmission fluid and the Odyssey showed a total lack of care and a Class 3 trailer hitch, they may have had to pay half.
Funny, if this were a domestic minivan, a transmission failure at 100,000 miles would be considered normal.
I did experience one of the Ody transmission failures but Honda took care of everything including a rental instantly. They made sure the rental held 7 people as well (they gave me an Explorer). The dealership had to order the tranny but the whole thing took 3 days start to finish.
People overload minivans. They pack them with people and equipment and the use them as tow vehicles. They skimp on maintenance and then they gripe when their transmission doesn't last forever!
I do think that some of the manufacturers put drivetrains in vans that aren't meant for that kind of load. That was a Taurus transmission in the Windstall.
How many miles?
How many years since you bought it?
Odyssey transmission discussion.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,