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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    I'd add Infinity and Acura to that list of test drives. Have 5k miles on my Prius -- happy way beyond what I expected. If anyone wants details [I doubt it] you can post on the prius thread. I did drive a 07 328ix wagon last year and have to say that I was not overwhelmed. The new 5's were awsome to sit in but 45k was over budget the audi A3 was a nice ride but for the way I drive, the prius and my 03 Liberty don't feel like much of a compromise. What can I say, I really look forward to driving the prius.
    Cooking ribs today --- cut them in pieces- coat with oil then dry rub. Under the broiler until brown. 20 minutes in the pressure cooker--slather with sauce and bake at 220 degrees for 3-4 hours. Last hour covered loosely with foil. Done just in time for football. Put a drop cloth over the lazyboy and dive in
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    One question....WHY?
  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    It is funny that I am the snob, but I never put down any make of car.

    Really? I remember calling you out on some derogatory name you used for the Fusion, which you admitted was pretty good.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Thank you.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Tim is an amazing driver. I did notice, however, that he ran off the pavement a couple of times onto the grass areas. After watching it three times, I also think that he nicked the cement wall at the beginning of the episode. Then again, no one is perfect.

    Though performed in France, I found the American political message very interesting: "Obama can't gymkhana." I had to wonder what Ford's intent was with that remark. As we remember, Ford didn't take the bail out funds.

    Yes, Tim is pretty athletic---by necessity I would think. If he does this kind of driving as a daily job, I would imagine the vibrations wouldn't be easy on the body.

    Thanks for the interesting link.

    Richard
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that.

    Because you drive a BMW. :P

    Boy, tidester better get in here before he realizes driver is taking his job....

    Who was it said he had a Chrysler sound system that sounded better than a Bose? For a while there Chrysler was putting Infinity systems in and, yes, they were quite good and up to top down driving.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    OK if you say so.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I've listened to a lot of Bose systems and I've never heard anything special.

    I was in a Bose store in the mall awhile back and I played around with a Bose Wave CD player and it didn't sound like anything special either.

    Am I missing something?
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,351
    "...I keep seeing Mitsus everywhere....Every time I do, I think of you..."

    Thanks, especially since Mitsubishi is selling almost nothing these days. Maybe you better start thinking of me when you see beat up old jalopies as I usually have more of them in my driveway. :lemon:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Bose is the best marketer in the business. It has nothing to do with quality. It's like AOL as an Internet provider or Microsoft in OS and software. There are way better alternatives out there but all the larketers work for Bose, AOL and Microsoft.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "Am I missing something?"

    No, Bose is the one missing the boat. I'm the one who said that my Chrysler sound system sounded better than the Bose in the SRX.

    Richard
  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    mako.....I've really changed my in car listening habits

    GG, I enjoy your posts (always informative), but you are so far over my head with iphone and podcasts. Heck, I just barely know which button to push to answer a bluetooth call. I wouldn't know a podcast if it bit me.

    I do like the stereo in the Escape. Something about Ford stereos that resonate well with me.

    2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,351
    "...you have to watch this..."

    Bah! He ain't so much. Isell has probably had test drives worse than that. :P

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I remember calling you out on some derogatory name you used for the Fusion,

    Yes, you have a good memory. That was the Con-Fusion we rented in Florida two years ago. I thought it was a bit basic in the beginning, but got to like it in the end. I ended up saying the Fusion was excellent value. It does everything well and had lots of room. A little bit Spartan, but for the price it was a good car.

    I don't have to like every car to be fair. I think the Juke is ugly....but I am sure that is the look they were trying for. I think a Smartcar is too minimal for me. I saw one pass me on the highway going about 75 mph and I thought I wouldn't do that in a car that is taller than it is long, and has little lawn mower wheels on it.

    I don't like every car, I have likes and dislikes, but I don't put cars down just because they are a certain make. And, I don't necessarily think BMWs are the be all and end all....there are lots of cars that I am sure could be better...Porches, some MBs, some Audis, maybe a Caddie, I mentioned I have a friend who has an old Lincoln MKZ that rides nicely..................all I am saying is the BMW offers a unique driving experience that one should try if one is in the market for that level of car.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Driver:What those people don't realize is they are missing the real enjoyment of driving.
    Verdugo Wow. That is the most condescending post I have read in a long time.

    I don't think so...if you read the next few lines I was very fair and balanced.
    If you have tried both, and still like that soft spongy ride, and loose steering, then go with it....you are happy with what you got and stay with it.

    If you haven't experienced a bmw, then you should be open to it.....there is a difference, just not right for everyone.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    OK if you say so.

    I know, you have a friend who can drive circles around that guy, and he can do it in an automatic.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    One question....WHY?

    Because I had to find "The Best Driver in the World" to show he uses a manual transmission.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • cdn_tchcdn_tch Member Posts: 194
    Actually, if you watch carefully, he has an SMG (sequential manual gearbox) ie no clutch except at start. He uses paddle shifters and that big stick in the middle is like an e-brake.

    While the video is impressive, it is not that over the top if you've ever watched top tier rally drivers.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    , I also think that he nicked the cement wall at the beginning of the episode.

    I noticed those misses too. At least he didn't run over the guy on the Segway, that wouldn't have been good.

    That guy did it all in a Ford Focus, so we shouldn't have preconceived ideas about how people drive depending on their choice of car.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited November 2010
    Though performed in France, I found the American political message very interesting: "Obama can't gymkhana."

    You would notice something political. I saw it too but forgot about it. Apparently, it doesn't mean anything...just makes for interesting T-Shirts for sale etc. It is the drivers idea, not Fords.

    - Ken Block is not a Tea Party member. The "Obama Can't Gymkhana" sticker is just a joke.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    edited November 2010
    "...I don't put cars down just because they are a certain make."

    What?! Go back to posts 57360 and 57365. When I was out of town in August, you had a field day trashing the Lincoln Town Car. As Richard Nixon once said, "I forgive, but I never forget." (Grin)

    Richard
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Richard - sorry about that. How could I forget it was you with the Chrysler comment? I knew it was you or snake because he has the same basic car.

    Are they still using the Infinity name on those?

    Have to get to the TV to watch the Giants stomp the Cowboys again.

    Right now I can't go downstairs because I have a whiney 9 year old whose cry pierces my head when it hurts. In another day or two all will be better.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    edited November 2010
    "It is the driver's idea, not Ford's." (I put in the apostrophes for you.)

    How do you know? They never said.

    Richard
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Oh really? When did I say that?

    I do know that no one can do that without a heavily modified car.

    I would love to see him try that on something right off a showroom floor.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    At least he didn't run over the guy on the Segway

    That reminds me of the "will remain unnamed" police force that I saw playing "death race" on the driving simulator that was supposed to be used to train for high speed chases.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    edited November 2010
    First, the video. IMO that guy did nothing but abuse that Fiesta (not Focus). When he was through the tires were shredded and the engine was probably ruined. I don't like to see anything or anybody abused. I would hate to see him ride a horse.

    Second, as to you continually recommending we try BMW, Audi, or Mercedes, I doubt there are very many here who have not already owned or tried one or all of these cars.

    Third, my Lexus does not have loose steering nor a spongy ride. What you call a firm ride and responsive steering, I could call jittery and twitchy, (but I won't) and yes I have owned all the cars you recommend. Different strokes for different folks.

    They make different cars because people have different tastes and different uses for cars.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    Richard,

    Don't be hard on driver. After all, he never lets facts get in the way of a good argument. :sick:
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,351
    "...I would love to see him try that on something right off the showroom floor..."

    To see that come to my high school when they let out all the young kids driving daddy's car home from school. They like to cut across the grass to beat the buses out to the main road. Looks pretty much like that video.

    Heck, when I was 17 I use to drive dad's Plymouth like that. :blush:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    "I may be the very one to whom you are referring. "

    I'm sorry if you thought I was referring to you specifically, Richard, especially if you thought it was an affront towards you. Definitely not, as I have mentioned quite a few times that we can't all have or share the same strengths can we? But funny enough, even tho you weren't on my mind when the thought came to type that, I did actually think of you before I finished typing it. But it sure wasn't with any derogatory or judgement against you.

    "Knowing that he failed in the mechanical area of teaching, he did instill in me the desire to have my car maintained, to react to unusual noises, and to appreciate the value of an automobile. I always loved car design and color. That has been my real interest. "

    And what you said above, is just a few of many other reasons why my inclination wasn't to judge you in any negative light.

    I totally get what driver was saying about music. I can't sing, altho I can hit a few notes that dear ol' Hank sang with a few of his oldies. Cold Cold Heart is still a fav.
    I can also hit the odd note on Jim Reeves - Put Your Sweet Lips...my father used to sing that in his shop when I was so little i could barely speak. And I play(ed) piano. It sure isn't like riding a bike...For me I struggled with it and lessons every step of the way. I could not play by ear and had to learn to read music. I did NOT want to do it. My mother made me take them. I managed to forgive her before she died. At least I got far enough with it it gave me one of the only two Grade 13 credits I got from school. The other one was almost English...that's a story for another day, altho i almost touched on it when I wrote about that forklift job on nightshift.

    But, unfortunately, I have failed at attempting to communicate my point about driving a manual and am going to give up. Some here seem to think that rowing the gear shift was my point and that was lost on them, even though I went into great detail and depth trying to communicate that if there is any ability involved, it is in clutch control, not moving the stick...but I digress, because I know even any point I was trying to make about clutch control will be belittled and ultimately lost on most here. (you not being the one I have in mind at this time) I suspect that that guy knows a friend or someone who used to drive a stick, maybe even raced cars, lost the use of his legs, and hobby races his (auto equipped) car that has been adapted to hand-controls now. And if I stood standing in a parking lot, I imagine he can likely drive in circles around me.

    See this is such a grey area to communicate, especially on email. Someone can be reading and going down the wrong road of thought, but I don't get to head them off at the pass before they have gained so much momentum, that they start finishing your sentences of thought, with what they think you meant. Or the limit of their ability to comprehend. Each point not being any crime of course, but we all know...don't anybody question our ability to drive. Those are fisticuffin' words, right? Email compels me to make sure I insert a j/k emoticon here to err on the safe side. I do care enough to not insult someone's intelligence and I admit I get defensive if my is questioned. I consider everyone here as real as if you were sitting across the table from me. I have very good friend that says, "but Steve, your troll-dar has been on the fritz for over week! Give up already, the guy's not worth it". I still try to give people the benefit of the doubt even when at times my better judgement tells me otherwise.

    I am happy to be able to help someone like you or Driver understand something mechanical, as long as i feel confident enow enough that I wouldn't be steering you wrong, because you both seem genuinely interested and appreciate it. That's good enough for me. I get to tap your brain (and jimbres and imadazol's) to help me become more literate. Sharing each other's strengths is how the world goes around.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Sharing each other's strengths is how the world goes around.

    Good point. Good post. You're a welcome addition in here.

    Young person? In here that could mean you are 50.....
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    OF50, Irealize that i didn't do well on the original point I was trying to make about the brown bottle party. It's not that I am down on people with beaters, but when they tie the doors shut on the very car they use to pick up the kids from school, and not ensure they have their seatbelt on, I do have a problem with that. I have seen that all too often. I have also witnessed BMW owners put their kids in the car at school. But I don't recall a single one not ensuring the kid was belted. Does it happen? Literally? Well of course we know it must, but I can only speak to what I've seen. And you might then question the stats of the fact that there are fewer BMW's than beaters, so naturally the occurrences to support my point are skewed. But not so at this school. There are about the same number of BMW, MBenz and Volvo drivers, as there are beaters.

    Have I witnessed ostentatiousness from a BMW driver while commuting somewhere? Yes, but I don'ty really think any more frequently than any other driver of a perceived, lesser car. But what i DO think plays a part here, is that we, for any number of numerous reasons, ranging from envy of their car, to just having an extra bad day...remember the BMW driver cutting them off.

    As a side note, if I ever find myself owning a BMW, one of the reasons will be the feeling it gives me each time I walk up to it and see the twin kidney grill. If they ever drop that, it will be the start of their demise. It would be as blasphemous as if Ducati (motorcycles) ever quit displaying their beautiful trellis-type steel chrome moly frames.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Good to know thanks..about the Bose. I would have found out under test, but good to have the heads-up. Interestingly, remember when Bose first came on the scene? Was it not around the early 80's or so? I think the first Bose- Fosgate system I heard was a factory-installed optioned-up Bose system in a Firebird. And at the time I'm sure I recall it having highs and good solid, tight lows. Maybe they didn't do that very many years and screwed up.

    The Infinity which guys are saying good things about here, generally, was the one people were unhappy with in their Kia. I forgot to mention it was in a Rondo. I guess Kia mistakenly thought that the soccer-mom demographic buying that car, would not appreciate good sound. Gong...they failed and screwed up.

    When I first saw they put light rings that flash with the beat of the music (UGH) on their new Soul, unbelievable right?) I thought, do these guys really think that young people want that crap in their car? Surely not...maybe someone here with 20 year olds could confirm that that must be very very VERY low on their list of priorities?
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    hahaha, sorry driver..when i used the BMW/Cavalier susp mounting point, I had totally forgotten you had owned a Cavalier...lol
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    "It is the driver's idea, not Ford's." (I put in the apostrophes for you.)
    Thank you! How do you know? They never said.

    On the Monster Team Wesite someone answers just what that means;

    " Ken Block is not a Tea Party member. The "Obama Can't Gymkhana" sticker is just a joke"

    Sorry, it seems he is not a Tea Party member, but looks like he is just saying something controversial...so it stands out and he can sell T-shirts (Tea-Shirts).

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    I'll buy the car if it means moving on from the "feel of the road people are snobs/no you misunderstood me/i'm sorry boo hoo hoo" debate. :sick:
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    edited November 2010
    What a great find! Yes he did kiss the wall when he started, and motocrossed the grass, tires were cold still and if there wasn't too much editing happening up that point, then he misjudged. But there are numerous times shortly after that he displaying being totally and COMPLETELY on top of that car in every way. He OWNED it. One place is the barrel-corral where he did donuts with barely more than a foot and half space at fr and rear, and never so much as nudged a barrel...and did so when there was so much tire smoke it wpuld have been harder to judge his spacing.

    But like houdini has mentioned, I too don't like the disrespectfulness of the machinery. Even tho Ford was on a pretty impressive marketing-mission, I still cringed as i listened to that poor (very over stressed 4) (650 hp! into AWD) bounce itself relentlessly off the rev-limiter. It would have been more impressive if he could have done (even if to a lesser degree) all that and barely have the rev-limiter come into play.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Please know that I did not take offense with your post. I am always interested in reading your informative mechanical writings. I was just pointing out my limitations in that particular area. Your perspective on the stick was not wasted on me. I figured that "clutch control" was exactly what you meant. Moving the stick is not difficult. I was so proud of myself the first time that I held the car in check while sitting on a steep hill. The first couple of times that I tried it, I sat there racing the motor so that I wouldn't roll into the car behind me. I soon learned that it wasn't necessary to do that to the car. We're glad that you are here with us.

    Richard
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Snake: Oh really? When did I say that?
    I do know that no one can do that without a heavily modified car.
    I would love to see him try that on something right off a showroom floor


    Post 61277 Gimme said: But I could still do that forklift job with no brakes and I could still move that backhoe without wheels.
    Snake says Give me a chance and I could probably do that too, so what?

    It still doesn't change the fact that this guy (Snakes friend) could drive circles around either you or me.


    Just seems to me you and your friends are the best drivers in the world from what you say....and you do it all without a seatbelt. I am just amazed.

    Personally, I would feel safer driving with someone who is a little more cautious about their driving abilities. People who think they are the worlds best drivers are way too overconfident, IMHO.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    thanks fezo..ya i'm old(er) just like the majority of you guys. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the regular posters here are all north of 50.
    I realize I am decidely the poor guy in the bunch though..
    but only monetarily :)
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Third, my Lexus does not have loose steering nor a spongy ride. What you call a firm ride and responsive steering, I could call jittery and twitchy, (but I won't) and

    I forgot to mention Lexus, Infinity and Acuras as cars that are fine. I have driven a Lexus SUV and it has a firm ride and normal steering......to me it doesn't have the same degree of handling, control or cornering (HCC). My son in law has one and it suits him fine, those things don't matter to him.

    If it suits you and you like it, that's great. It is a fine vehicle. I would consider one, but if I can get HCC then I'll get that. I am not trying to convert you, I am happy for you. Buy whatever you like. I have said I would consider a new Hyundai Sonata, I like the styling, I like their reliability, and I like the reviews I have read.

    I am not pushing BMWs on any one. Like I said, there are lots of great cars out there. Just because a BMW suits me at this particular time in life I choose to drive one...it doesn't mean every one else is insane.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited November 2010
    After all, he never lets facts get in the way of a good argument.

    Good Yogiism. Why bother with facts, they're just waste time. :P
    (not sure what facts were missing though)

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I have failed at attempting to communicate my point about driving a manual and am going to give up.

    You didn't fail in explaining it to everyone. I get it! :D

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jwilliams2jwilliams2 Member Posts: 910
    If you love driving...you have to watch this...it is amazing (and you couldn't do this with an automatic) The Best Driver in the World

    Wow. That literally shows what it means to drive circles around someone!
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I'm not great on the monetary department either but I'm working on Richard toimprove my status. ;)

    In reality I would describe us a middle of the middle class. If I told my younger self the household income now he'd have thought that meant we had it made.... Afraid not.

    I could have used on of those Subaru hill holder clutches growing up. Lots of hills. Unfortunately Subaru wasn't in the American market yet.

    I'm north of 50 but south of 60. Enjoying that while I can. It's less than two months away.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    2000 BMW 323i - $5000

    Driver, give me your take on this BMW. It's local and cheap. I could get this for my winter beater and set the record straight on the difference in HCC and A to B cars.

    2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,158
    mako...thanks. That's very kind of you to say. I know some people who would readily disagree with you that I have ANYTHING interesting to say, though.

    I've spent my entire career in the tech industry. So, I've probably been "geeky" before anyone knew who geeks were.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    bad call on the Giants dude. man, what a complete embarrassment. Getting outplayed, out coached, and out hustled by the Cowboys? Horrible.

    and being as I can't see them get anything but destroyed now by the eagles, I am really annoyed. Living in the middle of Philly land.

    And as I type this, another terrible pick by Eli to ice the game that was already over. Bench him for next week.

    oh, and back to cars, the bose system in my 2000 Acura TL is nothing particularly special.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Just seems to me you and your friends are the best drivers in the world from what you say

    I never said that my friends were the best drivers in the world. I mentioned on person that I know is the best that I know nothing more and nothing less.

    Also the personal insults are a little overboard.

    People who think they are the worlds best drivers are way too overconfident, IMHO.

    Again I never said or implied that I or anyone I know was the worlds best driver.

    Maybe I shouldn't have put forth that apology to you a while back. I tried to put out the olive branch but apparently you want to stay a jerk.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    is too subjective to define.

    but in general, I would have to think that rally car drivers in general are going to be high on the list, in terms of being able to control a car and make it behave!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Did I say Giants win? Must have been a typo.

    Ugh. I'm in Eagles country as well (actually kind of a mix here) so I'll be hearing it.

    The only positive in my book is seeing Jason Garrett get a win. I like him. I think the last guy that had anything to do with the Cowboys that I liked was Tom Landry!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
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