My Grandfather drove from Jersey to Florida into his 70s.
Speaking of grandfather, today I was at a local Social Security Office and I overheard several conversations involving elder identity fraud. These older people (both men and women) came in to change their bank information because the fraudsters had breached their bank accounts.
Also, the Social Security Administration has gone high tech and basically most dealings with the SSA is done online. The problem is most of these folks do not know how to use a computer. And because that particular Social Security Office was operating with a lean staff (blame that on sequestration) the wait time was unusually long.
Don't know how involved the AARP is with computer literacy for seniors, but there is a glaring need for this service. Which leads to an interesting auto related question. If seniors can't use a computer to surf the net, how do auto manufacturers expect them to make use of the high tech gadgets they put in cars these days?
Don't know how involved the AARP is with computer literacy for seniors, but there is a glaring need for this service.
In time though, that need will go away quickly as the younger generation already is computer savvy.
My Grandfather first touched a computer at about age 75. He was very timid to do much beyond a quick Google search or his favorite site, Equibase (for Horse Racing results). I always tried to get him beyond that, but couldn't crack the nut.
He had Email but barely used it, and would have never filled out any online forms for anything.
For the record, I wouldn't challenge your statement at all. If we can do 1500 miles or about 800 miles a day without it being too difficult, you can easily do 2300 miles in 3 days.
Also, it is amazing to see how many trucks are stopped at state parks along I-75 from early evening until early in the morning.....those trucks are moving during the day, but stop at night.
I think cdn used the wrong word "astounding" (for him it may have been "surprising"). Traffic patterns could have changed but, I tend to think he did see trucks late at night on the road, there are trucks going 24/7, but doesn't realize there are way more on the roads during the day. It is nice if we can travel to or from Florida over a weekend or on a major holiday....that really cuts down the number of trucks on the road.
My experience has been that from where I94, I90 and I80 come together south and east of Chicago to approximately Cleveland, where they split apart again (with the PA pike to drain off some traffic as well) there is a huge amount of truck traffic running back and forth between Chicago and Cleveland at night. Maybe you hit it on a weekend -- who knows.
I-15 to some extent and I-70 for sure are less favored by truck traffic than I-40 and I-80 owing to the CO mountains, so that certainly makes sense.
I always used to do much of my driving between 10 pm and dawn to avoid traffic of any kind, but saw a lot of trucks all the same. Oh well. . .
Strange that all non essential services seem to be completely unaffected by sequestration, while the ones being targeted are the most visible and essential.
Our politicians must think that we are all beyond stupid !!
I'd heard of the mini-transplant but that's a lot more info.
Yeah, my transplant doc said it's my second birthday. March 28. I celebrate both. Does he live within an hour of the hospital? That was the requirement for the hospital with me. If traffic is perfect it takes tow hours door to door. Today it took three and a half hours and screwed up the whole day - but everything worked out. They took marrow today. I may not know what that showed until I go back - in six weeks! That's a record!
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he does live very close - ~ 10 miles, so the drive to and from is not too bad. I am keeping my fingers crossed - he does not make a very good patient anyway, so hopefully any post complications will be on the mild side. I am expecting an email update today, my step-mom does a good job of keeping the whole family posted. :shades:
10 miles is a snap. If I lived that close they'd have let me recover at home. Of course now I've been home a long time.
Got a call back today. One of the blood tests they ran today was positive for Epstein Barre. I really don't need that.
BTW - on the FWD thing - weight and interior space are why everyone went that way. It's easier to make a lighter, more space efficient car with FWD. And indeed it affects driving dynamics.
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One of the blood tests they ran today was positive for Epstein Barre.
You have got through the worst, this should be an easy one for you. It's easier to make a lighter, more space efficient car with FWD. And indeed it affects driving dynamics.
The question is, why would Buick have FWD. My guess, it is cheaper to build cars that way, and most of the population doesn't care or notice. Also, gets you through snow without snow tires.
See all those Jeeps that were recalled because of fires and combustible gas tanks. I had two of those Jeeps 1995 Cherokee Ltd and 2000 Cherokee. KInd of makes me wonder that Chrysler is denying responsibility. I would weigh that fact if I was considering buying a Chrysler product.
Do things like recalls affect anyone else? One of the blood tests they ran today was positive for Epstein Barre.
You have got through the worst, this should be an easy one for you. It's easier to make a lighter, more space efficient car with FWD. And indeed it affects driving dynamics.
The question is, why would Buick have FWD. My guess, it is cheaper to build cars that way, and most of the population doesn't care or notice. Also, gets you through snow without snow tires.
See all those Jeeps that were recalled because of fires and combustible gas tanks. I had two of those Jeeps 1995 Cherokee Ltd and 2000 Cherokee. KInd of makes me wonder that Chrysler is denying responsibility. I would weigh that fact if I was considering buying a Chrysler product.
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The big story isn't a recall - it's that Chrysler is refusing to recall those Jeeps.
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I should have qualified my statement......excluding economy cars, which are so prominant in Europe. There is no doubt, when we are talking about economical transportation, FWD cars are the best design.
Ahh, there's the good old driver we know and love. The one who has an excuse, reason for everything.
The question is, why would Buick have FWD. My guess, it is cheaper to build cars that way, and most of the population doesn't care or notice. Also, gets you through snow without snow tires.
Back in the early '80s the Big 3(now the Big 2.1) simultaneously decided to switch virtually everything but their trucks, ponycars, and a few body-on-frame sedans to FWD- promising increased fuel economy, roomier interiors, "better" handling, and inproved traction in inclement weather. In actuality, any advantages that the FWD configuration may have start to diminish sharply once you start talking about cars much larger than a Golf or Focus.
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From First to 5th place in the same month—what’s up with that?
Only last week Motor Trend ranked the Kia Cardenza first place in a five-car comparison contest. This week it is Car & Driver’s turn and they ranked the Kia 5th in their six-car comparo. How can there be such a large ranking disparity in the same month? Shouldn’t these findings be based on objective data, or is it just another popularity contest?
Nonetheless, one ranking that remained constant was the new Impala which was ranked second in both publications. By the way, the Avalon placed first in the C&D comparo but third place in Motor Trend.
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To me the key stat, if accurate, is that the incidences of fire are pretty average. So why pick on them?
Well, Fiat wants to buy out the VEBA (Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association), the UAW’s retiree health care trust-which holds 41.5 percent of Chrysler- for $4.7 billion. VEBA attorneys claim the trust is worth up to $11.5 billion. Perhaps some disgruntled UAW official have the ear of a government sympathizer in Washington... That said, I can't believe that political bureaucrats would use a government agency to punish their enemies or bring a reluctant industry to heel- those kinds of thing just don't happen in the Good Old U S of A!!!
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I'll know how clean it is once I see it, and opening price I'm being quoted is $40k.
I was just wondering - what would have happened if it was Ford or GM whose car/SUV caught fire in some collisions? Would they be pushed to recall a few million vehicles? I'm still wondering! Chrysler is mainly owned by a foreign corporation - did that make a difference?
Interesting last sentence. Perhaps they think that a few lawsuits would actually cost less than going ahead with the recall.
Could be....27 million Jeeps that could cost $200 to $400 each to fix. Lawsuits might be cheaper...I think 51 people killed so far.
I guess people forget about exploding cars too.....like Pintos. If you want to buy a Ford you don't really think about them not putting a safety valve on the gas tank, that may cost a few cents each....because the lawsuits will cost a lot less.
Good point. I do suspect Car and Driver may be looking for different things than Motortrend. And CR looks for different things. I remember they gave my 73 Maverick a bad review because of the small back seat. Well, there were only two of us at the time, I couldn't care less about room in the backseat. It was a good little car and had a 302 V8.
We have friends and the wife just told us she bought a new car....a Subaru!
She said, "It has the same engine as a Porsche"
I have tried to research this and I can't find a difinitive answer, maybe someone knows about this.
What I can piece together is they both have Boxer engines which were invented by Karl Benz in 1896.
There are some advantages to Boxers, they are low so have a lower centre of gravity, more initial thrust, but a disadvantage is they are noisier, unless you like that throaty engine sound.
I have read that Subaru created this version of the engine and sold it to Porsche, but that is just from a post. If it was invented in 1896 then is there still a patent?
I have a feeling the salesman said, buy this Subie and you will be getting the same engine as a Porsche....meaning, the same type of engine.
What I can piece together is they both have Boxer engines...
That's the answer. Both Subaru and the Porsche 911/Boxster/Cayman use boxer style engines. I've heard that Subaru sales people use that as a selling point but Subaru doesn't not use Porsche engines or vice versa.
Maybe it's like the hidden menu at McDonalds. It isn't advertised but if you ask for a Porsche Boxter engine in your Subaru you can get one for a slight up charge.
Maybe it's like the hidden menu at McDonalds. It isn't advertised but if you ask for a Porsche Boxter engine in your Subaru you can get one for a slight up charge.
Nice chuckle on this beautiful Thursday morning.
My sister-in-law and husband have always bought the Subaru brand because their best friend, a Subaru mechanic, swore that Subaru makes the best engines. They have not regretted or questioned that decision since their first Subaru.
I'm not aware of any direct connection between Subaru and Porsche. They're both unique in the use of boxers, but I believe they developed their designs independently.
A more accurate statement would be buying a Subaru gets you an engine trusted in aviation. There are many Subaru boxers powering small aircraft around the skies.
Regarding the leaking head gaskets, there was a 2.5 liter model that struggled with that problem for awhile. The 3.0 6-cylinder, 2.0 4-cylinder, and the turbo models were not affected, but a generation of normally aspirated 2.5s had a head design that resulted in head leaks. Subie tried several different gasket designs before replacing the motor altogether with a brand new generation that seems to have fixed the problem. It wasn't related to being a boxer, but more how the gasket was supported in the joint.
My 2000 Legacy had the problem motor though my particular engine never leaked. Never consumed oil and returned good gas mileage for an AWD. I loved it. Same with my current 2012 Impreza. I average 32 around town with an 8-mile commute, The oil level hasn't dropped between the 7,500 mile intervals, and I love that sewing machine warble sound it makes.
The engines definitely sit low in the engine bay thanks to the flat pancake design, and they don't require heavy balance shafts like a Vee motor. Spark plug changes can be tough on some of the models since the plugs face the inner fenders.
Those are not "the same" engines, not even close (anymore). They are the same type, horizontally opposed, aka boxer. Using that logic, all four-in-line cylinder cars have "the same" engines. BTW, Porsche uses flat six, Subaru uses mostly flat four, except their top Legacy/Outback model.
However, I heard there is some common history, but I heard the opposite story, i.e. in early development Subaru bought VW Beetle's (classic, not new) engine (which was air cooled 4-cylinder boxer) and continuously improved on it. Since first Beetle was Ferdinand Porsche's dated to late '30s, there is a connection. Obviously, Porsche used H4 and then H6 engines in its sports cars after he left Cars for Folks.
Edit: I checked Wikipedia. First full production boxer Subaru was 1966 Subaru 1000 with water-cooled (not air) H4 977 ccm (55 hp), original to Subaru, but Japenese "examined" Porshe's, Volkswagen and Corvere's rear wheel drive systems. As we know, those were times of intense "reverse engineering" practiced by Japanese. First boxer prototype was Subaru 1500 with air cooled 1.5 liter (47 hp) supplied by Peugeot. So it seems those Beetle and Porsche stories are mostly made up. The connection might be through the "reverse engineering" that may or may not have been done.
That said, I can't believe that political bureaucrats would use a government agency to punish their enemies or bring a reluctant industry to heel- those kinds of thing just don't happen in the Good Old U S of A!!!
Here's my 5th grader logic for you. The Jeep problem is statistically average for that class of vehicle, although it can be pinpointed to rear end collisions(not the driver's fault). Average means some are higher and some are lower. Are there classes of vehicles having a higher incidence rate of deaths? Are there other vehicles in the same class having a higher incidence rate of deaths? If the goal is to reduce the rate of deaths, then anything with a higher rate should be recalled first. When the Jeep bubbles up to the top, then it's time to figure out how to fix it.
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and I love that sewing machine warble sound it makes
Thanks for the info. That sound seems to be an advantage to those of us that like that kind of thing.
My old BMW dealership also owned the Subaru dealership next door. The shuttle bus driver delivered passengers for both...he said, I have never seen people who love their cars more than the Subaru owners.
Here's my 5th grader logic for you. The Jeep problem is statistically average for that class of vehicle,
As once a 3rd Grade, 4th Grade and 6th Grade teacher....I don't always look at things that logically. I will say, thet is one way to look at it.
On the other hand, it is a known fact gas tanks should not be behind the rear wheels...too easy to explode. They should be tucked up in front of the wheels and that is where Jeep eventually put it. That isn't rocket science, that is just taking the easy way out.
So, the statistical averages may be the same, but still many people were needlessly burned in accidents that shouldn't have resulted in fires.
I guess I think of it as more common sense than pure statistics.
A Subaru mechanic, saying Subaru makes the best engines. There's an unbiased opinion. For longevity and low maintenance, it's tough to top the Ford 4.6 V8. You see number 400k thrown around quite a bit.
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Nascar race cars have their fuel tanks behind the rear axle. I doubt it's a cost saving measure. You are speculating about the circumstances of the accidents. If you can provide detail about how a different design would have saved some of them (or hopefully all of them), I'd like to see it. Jeeps, other than a few models, have always been designed with off road capability in mind. Off road, the area between the front and rear wheels is vulnerable.
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bought a gas grill in spring 2011 (a Grillmaster from Lowes). spent either $149 or $199 for a nice sized grill. Actually works quite well. But, as typical, the flame tamers (the little tents above the burners) rusted out.
so, I go looking for replacements. Requires online shopping, including a few parts "superstores" and the manufacture's own site.
Now, keep in mind that these are basically coated 14" long sheet tin bent into a Vee. and a very minor part of the whole grill.
yet, they go for $28 EACH (so for 4, $112 + shipping). meaning that for very little, i could buy an entire new grill. I bet if I ordered every part to rebuild the entire guts it would cost over a grand.
thankfully I was able to find some universal (almost)fits at Lowes for $6. so they were a touch too wide. Some brute force bent them into shape. so for $25 grill looks good again, but next big part fail and it is trash!
in terms of cars, basically like having a perfectly nice car (say a 2005 Audi A4) that barfs a tranny, and is worth less fixed than the cost of the part.
I've kept some cheapo gas grilles going for a long time, longer than a tank life. Now I have a hand me down Weber. I'll probably be able to keep it going for the rest of my life. Bought some cast iron grates. The flavor bars (inverted V shaped pieces) need to be replaced once in a while, but are not too expensive. I like to keep old things running, rather than throw out and buy new.
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Going back to 1991, but only one line to trace...
1982 Pontiac Grand Prix: first car, with all the fun of 1980s American iron at that age... 1993 Pontiac Sunbird 1994 Saturn SL2: decided I wanted to shift my own, got a lot of miles before a deer had other plans 1999 Toyota Corolla 2002 Honda Accord EX V6 Coupe 2006 Volvo V70
I've had the Volvo just over 6 years (bought it in '07 as a retired demo) and it's at 115K, hoping to go for a lot more miles.
The most fun car ever to grace my stable actually belonged to my first wife. It was a 1993 del Sol. A great car for the Carolina coast, just take the top off for some semi-open-air motoring. Not to mention it was a joy to shift. Our time with that car was a too-short 16 months before she had a run-in with a lumber truck.
I went through the exact same thing with my grill. The "tents" were about the same price through Sears Parts. I couldn't justify it.
I bought universals from Home Depot and they were $9.00 ea IIRC. In my case I had to trim 1/2" off with tin snips, nothing is ever that easy.
We have touched on this in here before. Most grills are junk. My Kenmore had a price tag of near $400 and I think I paid $250 ish. I've already spent $40 on the entire lower piece, and almost another $40 on the tents and it's only 3 years old.
Like other's mentioned. I think if anything else fails on it, I'm getting a Weber Genesis.
I had a Weber before this. Cooked well, but I had to replace a lot of parts (they really did not last longer than the cheap grills). toward the end it was quite ratty, and not cooking all that well, so I got rid of it.
I went with the cheapie since I was not prepared to drop $600 or so at the time. and this grill cooks great, and the only piece that looked at all bad was the tents.
I think Driver had the grill amortization model. Figure $50/year, so if you spent $150 and get 3 years, toss it instead of fixing and get a new one!
The wife insisted on a Weber.... It was about $550... the tents (aka flavor bars) are not stainless steel on our model... you have to step up to the next level for that.... but, I think if they ever rust out, I'll replace them with stainless ones...
my experience is the parts do last way longer - had mine 12 years, replaced the tents one time. Easy to order and get online. My neighbor has a cheapo and the tents are rusted out - all kinds of flair ups and burned food next door.
Would love to buy a new stainless steel one, but this one likely has 12 more years in it. Love my Weber.
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Nascar race cars have their fuel tanks behind the rear axle.
Nascar uses a tank that is designed to handle impact, (. Today's 22-gallon fuel tanks, also called fuel cells, have built-in safety features to limit the chance of them rupturing or exploding. Fuel cells have a steel outer layer and a hard, plastic inner layer. The fuel cell is located in the rear of the car and is held in place by four braces that keep it from flying loose during an accident. It is filled with foam, which reduces the slosh of the fuel and any chance of explosion by reducing the amount of air in the cell. If the cell does ignite internally, the foam absorbs the explosion. The car also has check valves that will shut off fuel if the engine is separated from the car.)
Almost (probably all) manufacturers tuck the fuel tank up in front of the rear wheels (axle) where it is more protected...the back of the car folds up like an accordian and offers some protection.(That's my proof by the way - manufacturers have learned the lesson.
Jeeps go off road, that is why it is tucked up above the wheels, hard to puncture it up there.
I saw the reports and Jeeps that were hit in the rear exploded...the thinking is that if the tank was in front of the rear wheels and tucked up above the wheel height then it is less likely to be pierced and explode.
I think Driver had the grill amortization model. Figure $50/year, so if you spent $150 and get 3 years, toss it instead of fixing and get a new one!
Stick-you have learned your lessons well!
Our Broil Master is 4 years old. It cost about $200, now it has a week flame and one of the dials just spins around.....no idea where it is set for amount of heat.
I figure it has cost me $50 a year and I have had good use out of it. I am going to call the store and ask them to install a new one and to take this one away.
Time to enjoy other things is more important than trying to keep an old barbeque going for another season.
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Speaking of grandfather, today I was at a local Social Security Office and I overheard several conversations involving elder identity fraud. These older people (both men and women) came in to change their bank information because the fraudsters had breached their bank accounts.
Also, the Social Security Administration has gone high tech and basically most dealings with the SSA is done online. The problem is most of these folks do not know how to use a computer. And because that particular Social Security Office was operating with a lean staff (blame that on sequestration) the wait time was unusually long.
Don't know how involved the AARP is with computer literacy for seniors, but there is a glaring need for this service. Which leads to an interesting auto related question. If seniors can't use a computer to surf the net, how do auto manufacturers expect them to make use of the high tech gadgets they put in cars these days?
In time though, that need will go away quickly as the younger generation already is computer savvy.
My Grandfather first touched a computer at about age 75. He was very timid to do much beyond a quick Google search or his favorite site, Equibase (for Horse Racing results). I always tried to get him beyond that, but couldn't crack the nut.
He had Email but barely used it, and would have never filled out any online forms for anything.
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For the record, I wouldn't challenge your statement at all. If we can do 1500 miles or about 800 miles a day without it being too difficult, you can easily do 2300 miles in 3 days.
Also, it is amazing to see how many trucks are stopped at state parks along I-75 from early evening until early in the morning.....those trucks are moving during the day, but stop at night.
I think cdn used the wrong word "astounding" (for him it may have been "surprising"). Traffic patterns could have changed but, I tend to think he did see trucks late at night on the road, there are trucks going 24/7, but doesn't realize there are way more on the roads during the day. It is nice if we can travel to or from Florida over a weekend or on a major holiday....that really cuts down the number of trucks on the road.
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My experience has been that from where I94, I90 and I80 come together south and east of Chicago to approximately Cleveland, where they split apart again (with the PA pike to drain off some traffic as well) there is a huge amount of truck traffic running back and forth between Chicago and Cleveland at night. Maybe you hit it on a weekend -- who knows.
I-15 to some extent and I-70 for sure are less favored by truck traffic than I-40 and I-80 owing to the CO mountains, so that certainly makes sense.
I always used to do much of my driving between 10 pm and dawn to avoid traffic of any kind, but saw a lot of trucks all the same. Oh well. . .
Strange that all non essential services seem to be completely unaffected by sequestration, while the ones being targeted are the most visible and essential.
Our politicians must think that we are all beyond stupid !!
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Yeah, my transplant doc said it's my second birthday. March 28. I celebrate both. Does he live within an hour of the hospital? That was the requirement for the hospital with me. If traffic is perfect it takes tow hours door to door. Today it took three and a half hours and screwed up the whole day - but everything worked out. They took marrow today. I may not know what that showed until I go back - in six weeks! That's a record!
Got a call back today. One of the blood tests they ran today was positive for Epstein Barre. I really don't need that.
BTW - on the FWD thing - weight and interior space are why everyone went that way. It's easier to make a lighter, more space efficient car with FWD. And indeed it affects driving dynamics.
You have got through the worst, this should be an easy one for you.
It's easier to make a lighter, more space efficient car with FWD. And indeed it affects driving dynamics.
The question is, why would Buick have FWD. My guess, it is cheaper to build cars that way, and most of the population doesn't care or notice. Also, gets you through snow without snow tires.
See all those Jeeps that were recalled because of fires and combustible gas tanks. I had two of those Jeeps 1995 Cherokee Ltd and 2000 Cherokee. KInd of makes me wonder that Chrysler is denying responsibility.
I would weigh that fact if I was considering buying a Chrysler product.
Do things like recalls affect anyone else?
One of the blood tests they ran today was positive for Epstein Barre.
You have got through the worst, this should be an easy one for you.
It's easier to make a lighter, more space efficient car with FWD. And indeed it affects driving dynamics.
The question is, why would Buick have FWD. My guess, it is cheaper to build cars that way, and most of the population doesn't care or notice. Also, gets you through snow without snow tires.
See all those Jeeps that were recalled because of fires and combustible gas tanks. I had two of those Jeeps 1995 Cherokee Ltd and 2000 Cherokee. KInd of makes me wonder that Chrysler is denying responsibility.
I would weigh that fact if I was considering buying a Chrysler product.
Do things like recalls affect anyone else?
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The big story isn't a recall - it's that Chrysler is refusing to recall those Jeeps.
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Ahh, there's the good old driver we know and love. The one who has an
excuse, reason for everything.We hadn't seen you in a while. Welcome back.
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Most recalls are "A tempest in a teapot" and require "fixing" something that will probably never create a problem but....still.
If a fatality or serious injury should happen to one of these affected cars, the trial lawyers would have a field day in court!
It could well be the end of Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat or whoever else may own that company.
Chrysler probably crash tested a bunch of them without incident and don't think it's a problem worth addressing.
It just may be near impossible to relocate those gas tanks and such a recall could cost millions and millions.
Back in the early '80s the Big 3(now the Big 2.1) simultaneously decided to switch virtually everything but their trucks, ponycars, and a few body-on-frame sedans to FWD- promising increased fuel economy, roomier interiors, "better" handling, and inproved traction in inclement weather. In actuality, any advantages that the FWD configuration may have start to diminish sharply once you start talking about cars much larger than a Golf or Focus.
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Only last week Motor Trend ranked the Kia Cardenza first place in a five-car comparison contest. This week it is Car & Driver’s turn and they ranked the Kia 5th in their six-car comparo. How can there be such a large ranking disparity in the same month? Shouldn’t these findings be based on objective data, or is it just another popularity contest?
Nonetheless, one ranking that remained constant was the new Impala which was ranked second in both publications. By the way, the Avalon placed first in the C&D comparo but third place in Motor Trend.
The Grand Cherokee 1999-2002 model years have already been recalled once for an engine fire issue: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/chrysler-to-recall-some-11-million-jeep-vehicle- s
and those vehicles would also be included in this one.
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Just like Motor Trend's Car of the Year Awards.
Chevy Vega?
Renault Alliance?
K- Cars?
Same applies to Consumer Reports ratings. They lost me years ago.
They may lose a few sales here and there but Americans have short memories and that will soon pass.
Fiat sold junk here and left with their tails between their legs years ago.
Now, they are back and selling those frumpy little cars like hotcakes and not only that, they own Chrysler!
Well, Fiat wants to buy out the VEBA (Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association), the UAW’s retiree health care trust-which holds 41.5 percent of Chrysler- for $4.7 billion. VEBA attorneys claim the trust is worth up to $11.5 billion. Perhaps some disgruntled UAW official have the ear of a government sympathizer in Washington...
That said, I can't believe that political bureaucrats would use a government agency to punish their enemies or bring a reluctant industry to heel- those kinds of thing just don't happen in the Good Old U S of A!!!
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I was just wondering - what would have happened if it was Ford or GM whose car/SUV caught fire in some collisions? Would they be pushed to recall a few million vehicles? I'm still wondering! Chrysler is mainly owned by a foreign corporation - did that make a difference?
I'm still wondering!
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Could be....27 million Jeeps that could cost $200 to $400 each to fix. Lawsuits might be cheaper...I think 51 people killed so far.
I guess people forget about exploding cars too.....like Pintos. If you want to buy a Ford you don't really think about them not putting a safety valve on the gas tank, that may cost a few cents each....because the lawsuits will cost a lot less.
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Renault Alliance?
K- Cars?
Good point. I do suspect Car and Driver may be looking for different things than Motortrend. And CR looks for different things. I remember they gave my 73 Maverick a bad review because of the small back seat. Well, there were only two of us at the time, I couldn't care less about room in the backseat. It was a good little car and had a 302 V8.
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I think they are picked on because the gas tank is in a vulnerable place. If the car is hit in the rear it doesn't take much to make the tank explode.
Later, they quietly moved the tank ahead of the rear wheels. But, it was cheaper and easier to build them with the tank at the rear.
People noticed a pattern, rear end accidents becoming blazing infernos....people died needlessly because of a poor design.
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She said, "It has the same engine as a Porsche"
I have tried to research this and I can't find a difinitive answer, maybe someone knows about this.
What I can piece together is they both have Boxer engines which were invented by Karl Benz in 1896.
There are some advantages to Boxers, they are low so have a lower centre of gravity, more initial thrust, but a disadvantage is they are noisier, unless you like that throaty engine sound.
I have read that Subaru created this version of the engine and sold it to Porsche, but that is just from a post. If it was invented in 1896 then is there still a patent?
I have a feeling the salesman said, buy this Subie and you will be getting the same engine as a Porsche....meaning, the same type of engine.
Any comments?
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That's the answer. Both Subaru and the Porsche 911/Boxster/Cayman use boxer style engines. I've heard that Subaru sales people use that as a selling point but Subaru doesn't not use Porsche engines or vice versa.
Nice chuckle on this beautiful Thursday morning.
My sister-in-law and husband have always bought the Subaru brand because their best friend, a Subaru mechanic, swore that Subaru makes the best engines. They have not regretted or questioned that decision since their first Subaru.
Maybe that's why our son's well maintained, never abused 2010 Impreza always burned oil and eventually threw a rod at 30,000 miles.
I know...a fluke but in my experience, they tend to leak oil with age, blow head gaskets and aren't good on gas mileage.
Still, not bad overall compared to some others.
A more accurate statement would be buying a Subaru gets you an engine trusted in aviation. There are many Subaru boxers powering small aircraft around the skies.
Regarding the leaking head gaskets, there was a 2.5 liter model that struggled with that problem for awhile. The 3.0 6-cylinder, 2.0 4-cylinder, and the turbo models were not affected, but a generation of normally aspirated 2.5s had a head design that resulted in head leaks. Subie tried several different gasket designs before replacing the motor altogether with a brand new generation that seems to have fixed the problem. It wasn't related to being a boxer, but more how the gasket was supported in the joint.
My 2000 Legacy had the problem motor though my particular engine never leaked. Never consumed oil and returned good gas mileage for an AWD. I loved it. Same with my current 2012 Impreza. I average 32 around town with an 8-mile commute, The oil level hasn't dropped between the 7,500 mile intervals, and I love that sewing machine warble sound it makes.
The engines definitely sit low in the engine bay thanks to the flat pancake design, and they don't require heavy balance shafts like a Vee motor. Spark plug changes can be tough on some of the models since the plugs face the inner fenders.
However, I heard there is some common history, but I heard the opposite story, i.e. in early development Subaru bought VW Beetle's (classic, not new) engine (which was air cooled 4-cylinder boxer) and continuously improved on it. Since first Beetle was Ferdinand Porsche's dated to late '30s, there is a connection. Obviously, Porsche used H4 and then H6 engines in its sports cars after he left Cars for Folks.
Edit: I checked Wikipedia. First full production boxer Subaru was 1966 Subaru 1000 with water-cooled (not air) H4 977 ccm (55 hp), original to Subaru, but Japenese "examined" Porshe's, Volkswagen and Corvere's rear wheel drive systems. As we know, those were times of intense "reverse engineering" practiced by Japanese. First boxer prototype was Subaru 1500 with air cooled 1.5 liter (47 hp) supplied by Peugeot. So it seems those Beetle and Porsche stories are mostly made up. The connection might be through the "reverse engineering" that may or may not have been done.
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The Jeep problem is statistically average for that class of vehicle, although it can be pinpointed to rear end collisions(not the driver's fault).
Average means some are higher and some are lower.
Are there classes of vehicles having a higher incidence rate of deaths?
Are there other vehicles in the same class having a higher incidence rate of deaths?
If the goal is to reduce the rate of deaths, then anything with a higher rate should be recalled first.
When the Jeep bubbles up to the top, then it's time to figure out how to fix it.
*driver, as a retired educator, I would say it's more like 9th grader logic!
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Great answer.....thanks, nicely explained.
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Thanks for the info. That sound seems to be an advantage to those of us that like that kind of thing.
My old BMW dealership also owned the Subaru dealership next door. The shuttle bus driver delivered passengers for both...he said, I have never seen people who love their cars more than the Subaru owners.
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The Jeep problem is statistically average for that class of vehicle,
As once a 3rd Grade, 4th Grade and 6th Grade teacher....I don't always look at things that logically. I will say, thet is one way to look at it.
On the other hand, it is a known fact gas tanks should not be behind the rear wheels...too easy to explode. They should be tucked up in front of the wheels and that is where Jeep eventually put it. That isn't rocket science, that is just taking the easy way out.
So, the statistical averages may be the same, but still many people were needlessly burned in accidents that shouldn't have resulted in fires.
I guess I think of it as more common sense than pure statistics.
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For longevity and low maintenance, it's tough to top the Ford 4.6 V8.
You see number 400k thrown around quite a bit.
I doubt it's a cost saving measure.
You are speculating about the circumstances of the accidents.
If you can provide detail about how a different design would have saved some of them (or hopefully all of them), I'd like to see it.
Jeeps, other than a few models, have always been designed with off road capability in mind. Off road, the area between the front and rear wheels is vulnerable.
so, I go looking for replacements. Requires online shopping, including a few parts "superstores" and the manufacture's own site.
Now, keep in mind that these are basically coated 14" long sheet tin bent into a Vee. and a very minor part of the whole grill.
yet, they go for $28 EACH (so for 4, $112 + shipping). meaning that for very little, i could buy an entire new grill. I bet if I ordered every part to rebuild the entire guts it would cost over a grand.
thankfully I was able to find some universal (almost)fits at Lowes for $6. so they were a touch too wide. Some brute force bent them into shape. so for $25 grill looks good again, but next big part fail and it is trash!
in terms of cars, basically like having a perfectly nice car (say a 2005 Audi A4) that barfs a tranny, and is worth less fixed than the cost of the part.
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Now I have a hand me down Weber. I'll probably be able to keep it going for the rest of my life. Bought some cast iron grates. The flavor bars (inverted V shaped pieces) need to be replaced once in a while, but are not too expensive.
I like to keep old things running, rather than throw out and buy new.
Going back to 1991, but only one line to trace...
1982 Pontiac Grand Prix: first car, with all the fun of 1980s American iron at that age...
1993 Pontiac Sunbird
1994 Saturn SL2: decided I wanted to shift my own, got a lot of miles before a deer had other plans
1999 Toyota Corolla
2002 Honda Accord EX V6 Coupe
2006 Volvo V70
I've had the Volvo just over 6 years (bought it in '07 as a retired demo) and it's at 115K, hoping to go for a lot more miles.
The most fun car ever to grace my stable actually belonged to my first wife. It was a 1993 del Sol. A great car for the Carolina coast, just take the top off for some semi-open-air motoring. Not to mention it was a joy to shift. Our time with that car was a too-short 16 months before she had a run-in with a lumber truck.
I bought universals from Home Depot and they were $9.00 ea IIRC. In my case I had to trim 1/2" off with tin snips, nothing is ever that easy.
We have touched on this in here before. Most grills are junk. My Kenmore had a price tag of near $400 and I think I paid $250 ish. I've already spent $40 on the entire lower piece, and almost another $40 on the tents and it's only 3 years old.
Like other's mentioned. I think if anything else fails on it, I'm getting a Weber Genesis.
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I went with the cheapie since I was not prepared to drop $600 or so at the time. and this grill cooks great, and the only piece that looked at all bad was the tents.
I think Driver had the grill amortization model. Figure $50/year, so if you spent $150 and get 3 years, toss it instead of fixing and get a new one!
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The wife insisted on a Weber.... It was about $550... the tents (aka flavor bars) are not stainless steel on our model... you have to step up to the next level for that.... but, I think if they ever rust out, I'll replace them with stainless ones...
It's a really nice grill....
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Would love to buy a new stainless steel one, but this one likely has 12 more years in it. Love my Weber.
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Nascar uses a tank that is designed to handle impact, (. Today's 22-gallon fuel tanks, also called fuel cells, have built-in safety features to limit the chance of them rupturing or exploding.
Fuel cells have a steel outer layer and a hard, plastic inner layer. The fuel cell is located in the rear of the car and is held in place by four braces that keep it from flying loose during an accident. It is filled with foam, which reduces the slosh of the fuel and any chance of explosion by reducing the amount of air in the cell. If the cell does ignite internally, the foam absorbs the explosion. The car also has check valves that will shut off fuel if the engine is separated from the car.)
Almost (probably all) manufacturers tuck the fuel tank up in front of the rear wheels (axle) where it is more protected...the back of the car folds up like an accordian and offers some protection.(That's my proof by the way - manufacturers have learned the lesson.
Jeeps go off road, that is why it is tucked up above the wheels, hard to puncture it up there.
I saw the reports and Jeeps that were hit in the rear exploded...the thinking is that if the tank was in front of the rear wheels and tucked up above the wheel height then it is less likely to be pierced and explode.
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Our Broil Master is 4 years old. It cost about $200, now it has a week flame and one of the dials just spins around.....no idea where it is set for amount of heat.
I figure it has cost me $50 a year and I have had good use out of it. I am going to call the store and ask them to install a new one and to take this one away.
Time to enjoy other things is more important than trying to keep an old barbeque going for another season.
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I like it....but, wouldn't pay $500 for it.
Maybe hmmm, oh, like about $50.
I wonder if Mike will get one? Maybe when he trades this one in around December.
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