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Consumer Reports spring auto edition is out and not much is new except the same recycled stories of how to buy a car and to stay away from buying an extended warranty. One nugget caught my eye though, and that is the future of self-parking vehicles. They mention Bosch and Valeo working on a smart phone app that will allow the driver to get of the car which it will park itself.
Anyone familiar with these systems? As I grow older I am finding it harder and to parallel park especially an SUV or those new sedans with those small windows and huge blind spots and the A and C pillar.
On a more positive note, can't wait for spring break.
Yep a good friend will come bail you out, but a great friend will be sitting in jail with you.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I do hope all works out for you. I was watching some of the major news outlets talking up how there was a big storm coming to NYC and how bad it was going to be. All the time that same storm was dumping a lot of snow on the Midwest and those news outlets mentioned squat about it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Richard I am glad you enjoyed the link and I will keep you and your family in our thoughts and prayers. We are here for you buddy.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I happened to check for CR at the library yesterday afternoon, getting books to prepare for the White Death approaching according to the tone of the IQ85 folks at the TV stations here.
Someone with a copy may check me, but I believe it said the most expensive car to operate was a VW Passat 6 cyl, within that segment. They listed most inexpensive and most costly.
I was also surprised by their relatively lukewarm adoration of the Honda line. They fell all over themselves at the altar of Honda in past decades. What's up with that? Honda didn't give them free cars to drive? LOL.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The latest prediction for North Central Kentucky is that we will be spared much of the freezing rain; it looks like we might just get a mix of sleet and snow- which is preferable to an ice storm.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Well I have a sales story of sorts. Our old TV is starting to see better days and is dying a slow death so we decided to start looking at TV's. Well after some trips to a few stores looking to see what is available and what we liked our son gave us an opportunity. He worked at a large well known retail outlet that had decided to close the location he was working at and that they were selling everything at deep discounts. And when I say everything I mean everything the stock and the furnishings and equipment. Including a 65 inch Sharp Aquos LED TV for a couple of hundred bucks. Our son offered to sell us the TV and we accepted.
Well since the TV was wall mounted they no longer had the stand so I called up Sharp and ordered a stand for the TV. After about 10 days or so without receiving the stand I called back and asked where the stand was. As it turned up they put the order in with a quantity of 0, which means nothing was sent out. :@ So they replaced the order.
About a week or so later I got the stand opened it up and found out that while the bottom of the stand was there they didn't have the vertical supports that connect the two together. So I called up and told them that they were missing those pieces. Well it turns out that those pieces are sold separately and that the people I had talked to earlier never mentioned that small fact. :@ To make matters worse they didn't have any in stock so I had to get them from a parts distributor. So they gave me the part number and I ordered the supports.
I just got off the phone with them voicing my continual displeasure with the support department, but I have a new part number so now I have to return the old part and order the (hopefully) correct part.
Overall I really like the TV, nice and sharp especially when we watch a HD show. But I cannot wait to get it out of the jerry rigged setup we have. The experience with the TV alone would make me consider another Sharp but my experience with Sharp support makes me want to stay away.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Sorry oldfarmer, I didn't know you had added a Smartcar to your fleet.
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I think it would have been more insulting if I had said, if the stock market tanks, I may be driving a hooptie instead of a bmw.
btw...definition of a hooptie:
Any car that meets the following: a) driver must enter car through passenger side b) three different brand and size tires - 3 of them missing hubcap c) exhaust is held up by half a clothes hanger - other half replaces the antenna d) backfires every three blocks - loudest backfire being when car is turned off e) must open door at drive-threws as windows don't roll down f) you only get one AM station and the tape deck eats all tapes inserted g) can't open the glove box as the whole thing will fall out h) if you let go of steering wheel while driving you'll make a u-turn i) must manually move blinker lever up and down as it no longer blinks on it's own j) must keep one foot on brake and one on accelerator when at a complete stop k) has had the same temporary registration sticker in the window for the last 18 months l) has all the above issues but still has a $200 professional tint job
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Here are two short videos of the Valeo and Bosch autonomous driverless parking systems. Amazing technology that advances the primitive Lexus LS system back in 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSsVz3C6k6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj4ZPzbvikQ
Valeo Parking Self Parking system
Bosch automatic park assist system
During the Superbowl VW introduced some ads that stated:
Volkswagen has the most cars on the road with over 100,000 miles.
Many people believe VWs are not dependable - how then do they have so many cars reach 100K?
businessinsider.com/volkswagen-2014-super-bowl-ad-wings-2014-1
10 least dependable cars are at this sight...some interesting comments. Most cars on the list are Fords, with 2 Jags and a Mini.
autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/05/top-10-least-reliable-cars-and-trucks.html/11
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I would like to know how they quantify that data. How do they know how many WV's have 100K miles? how do they know how many Fords or Hyundai's or Toyota's or Chevy's are out there with 100K miles?
Also what area are they taking this data from? Worldwide, in the US in Europe, in China?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Snake.....congrats on the new TV. Two words for your mounting woes...."duct tape".
Thank you Mr. Red Green.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
According to the website:
Calculation of total vehicles with over 100,000 miles per brand based on Wolfram Alpha (www.wolframalpha.com)
average mileage per year data and IHS Automotive: Polk global registrations in 49 countries, as of November 2013.
Apparently, it seems Wolfram Alpha is a company that checks on various statistical information. With the Wolf part in the name, maybe it is a division of VW. I can't find anything on how they collected these numbers....but, there must be some truth in the statement, or else they would be sued by now. Volvo used to say their cars lasted 20 years or something.....in Sweden. Of course, people hold onto their cars longer in poorer countries. It is possible VW sells lots of cars in a country like China, and it just so happens Chinese people keep their cars going for as long as possible, for economic reasons. Still, it is a pretty good statistic, however they came up with it.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Now, that's some funny stuff.....LOL!
Yeah, especially since we know he ain't smart. Nope, not one lick but he's told us he's lucky.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I think that's the problem. Newer cars have terrible visibility. It's not age that makes it harder.
I have to parallel park a school bus every two years to keep my license.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
That was a nice bonus with the Jetta. relatively good rear visibility, thanks to the boxy/staid ("unsexy") styling.
when I drive the TL now, it is always a shock how good the visibility is all around. Low cowl, thin pillars, low trunk, and super easy to see out back. Totally different than most new cars, such as a Taurus.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Funny? he is very educational, here he is showing how you can convert your car into a all wheel drive car.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I impressed myself this week. I had a Yukon XL for a rental for a couple of days. It felt like driving a school bus! They are huge. But the first day I had to parallel park it and did it perfect on the first try. Don't ask me how...
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
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Totally different than most new cars, such as a Taurus.
A current TL is probably just about the same visibility wise as a Taurus and doesn't have adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, or parallel parking tech.
Also, a Jetta is smaller than a mid size sedan.
I agree that current cars are much more difficult to see out of than cars from 15 years ago.
You want difficult to see out of? Drive a current LaCrosse. It's bad, rear sensors/camera much appreciated!
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
Yeah, especially since we know he ain't smart. Nope, not one lick but he's told us he's lucky.
You don't have to be smart to drive a Smart Car. Luck!........wrong again, I have no luck, the few times I buy a lottery ticket I don't even get one number right....I should get a prize for that, it is almost impossible to do that consistantly.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I like cars with good outward vision and that have big windows. Few cars were better than 68 Chryslers:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
"You want difficult to see out of? Drive a current LaCrosse. It's bad, rear sensors/camera much appreciated!"
If I didn't have lane departure warning, blind spot monitors, rear backup camera, front, rear and side parking sensors an the new collision avoidance system, there is no way I could drive my current car without constant apprehension.
I can't see over the hood and I cannot judge rear distances without monitors. The side and rear windows are so narrow, visibility without monitors and sensors would be utterly dangerous.
I agree with all the comments posted thus far - vehicles are becoming more and more reliant on technology to provide sufficient feedback to the driver in order to prevent damage, if not a life-threatening collision. I know of at least 8 occasions in the last 3 months where I would have pulled into an occupied lane had it not been for the blind spot monitors. There just isn't enough standard visibility in many of these new cars .
I dread it if any of these essential technology features should ever fail!!
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
Not really. My initial comment about basic intelligence explains it very easily.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Snake...you've brought me a welcome chuckle with the Red Green excerpts. My former Father-In-Law used to love watching that show. He would make me watch with him when we visited together. Pleasurable events that I miss, but have fond memories of.
No surprises there except soooo many Fords on the list. You have to measure reliability as very time-sensitive: e.g., newer Fiats are not like older Fiats.
Mike, I am just waiting for the first person with a car like yours (poor functional design but loaded with the help features) that does have an accident that they cause, who then sues the car maker because the features didn't prevent them from doing something stupid. And they just might win.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I was surprised at the number of Fords on the list too. And some of the complaints are things I would really notice, poor steering, poor visibility, etc. And, some of the biggest complaints were about Lincolns!
Fiats are much better now, but they still have their problems. My friend who bought the $130K Maserati bought an $18K Fiat to drive in the winter (since the Maserati won't go in snow). He loved zipping around in the Fiat.....until his wife saw the latest crash test results. She won't go in it anymore, so he just went and bought a Genesis for his winter beater!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Good point stick. Maybe Mercedes should put those stickers on cars like the ladder companies put all over the ladders....about how careful you should be.
Mercedes sign could say;
Do not drive car into direct sunlight.
Do not have objects or food in your hand while steering around objects,
Only back up once you can clearly see objects in your rear view camera
Take an eye test yearly to be sure your vision is 100%
Drivers must be at least 5'5" to operate this vehicle.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
On another note....Mike....I mentioned earlier that I thought the CLA was the best looking car Mercedes made of the ones I saw at that car show recently. They didn't have a CLS at the show. But, I saw a relatively new one yesterday. That car is down right gorgeous. No wonder Mercedes decided to mimic the CLS's styling with the CLA. You have a beautiful car.
Poor steering is not good, but poor visibility seems to be becoming the norm. With the higher belt-line and larger pillars on most new cars, I doubt this is going to go away.
As far as the MyFord Touch (MFT) and competing systems like it - I don't know how anyone testing the car, or even driving it for a short time, could possibly have an opinion. They are designed to work. Most are intuitive and some are not. There is just a learning curve that some, evidently, don't want to spend the time to learn.
With the Fusion I just got last week, I am slowly learning what all the MFT can do and it is sort of amazing. According to research I have done there are about 10,000 commands it will obey. Of course not every one may be what someone is interested in. Being able to speak the destination you want and having the navigation system plot a route is very convenient for example - once you learn how to do it. And you only have to learn it once.
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
I have long suspected - and @venture seems to confirm - that systems like MFT are handled by people in the same way that most folks handle their smartphones. While they are capable of doing thousands of things, many of them in multiple ways to get there, most people's minds cannot handle that. They learn to use a few things that they absolutely have to figure out and ignore the rest. While I like my iPhone, I cannot figure out many aspects of it because either I have no need to do so (or cannot be bothered to figure out why I might want to use certain functions), or the interface constantly defeats me - the maps app is a good example of the latter. I have tried to use it for nearly 2 years and never can figure out the ridiculously minimal interface. And Siri and I do not get along.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
It has got to the point where Ford may change suppliers, from Microsoft to Blackberry, so there must be a problem. The system may be excellent, but it has to be ok for the common guy to be able to operate it for it to be useful.
Many of us weren't raised with computers, so we really need things to be simple, if we are supposed to be able to work them. It would be nice if dealerships actually offered courses on how to run the car media centre, ...I think I would actually go. Call it Ford U or something like that.....don't abbreviate much more though.......................
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I concur with the comments on MFT. We've had the Explorer for almost 3 years and my wife still can't get MFT to work. I don't have any issues with it. She hasn't bothered to read the manual and spends more time jabbing at the screen or yelling at the voice prompts. I try to get her to slow down but it's not in her nature.
if dealerships actually offered courses on how to run the car media centre, ...I think I would actually go
I don't have touch, but the dealership did offer a course on SYNC. I missed it (thought it was Tuesday-it was Monday), but I muddle through. Still don't know if I have a hard drive built in.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Most Ford dealers will offer a course to learn MyFord Touch. I would bet they aren't very busy. I have read where Ford may change suppliers. That seems to be normal - that Microsoft makes everything more complicated than it needs to be, but I doubt anything will change as far as suppliers making it dumber.
Some interesting quotes from a Daily Tech article from 2011 about Ford offering these courses:
"While more tech-savvy users will likely head online to research new commands, or spend time delving into the menus, less non-technophiles may find the high-tech system daunting."
"Ford is ahead of its competitors in voice recognition (its system at least recognized the majority of our command attempts), but this remains a big issue. It is made bigger by some users' lack of technical prowess -- something Ford's new training may help to partial offset."
The problem is people don't want to take the time to learn, especially geezers like us.
<--- That's a smiley face.
Joe
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
The funny thing joe about geezers resisting is that the new tech should be most useful to them. Especially voice commands. Much easier in theory then searching through a sea of tiny buttons with hard to read labels.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Test drove a Verano on Saturday. I can certainly see why Sand-man really liked it when he drove. Paid special attention to the touch screen ability to react with certainty and promptness. Great. Also has manual controls for the basic auto HVAC operation that are touch friendly. I didn't ask about voice command. I don't talk to my TomTom to use its voice commands and I won't be talking to my auto's control system either.
Hope to stop at the ATS dealer. Last Friday we were at a Buick store which shares the lot with their MB store. I wanted to take a look at a CTA just for kicks, but we needed to get somewhere to eat.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Wow. I simply could not live with a hand-wringing bedwetter like that. On the old Edmunds long term test blog there was a pitiful soul whose wife and kids wouldn't ride in his Mazdaspeed because it was noisy and had a rough ride. I thought, "Just kill me now..." I am truly blessed to have a wife and son who like to own, drive, and ride in interesting cars- and who absolutely despise minivans...
As for issues with the car-as opposed to mental issues with a wife-I've been monitoring a Fiat board for over one year, and the Abarths do not seem to have any chronic issues. A few cars had transmission issues(1st gear hard to engage/shift effort), but most all have been fixed by now. Some cars had a small coolant leak due to a bad clamp- an issue which anyone with half a brain can fix in under minutes. Most of the other issues are minor things like exterior trim(delaminating badges and such. That said, the people who _have _had major problems also seem to be the same folks who are stuck with inept dealer service departments.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I have to comment re GG's experience with the old style Cadillac store. We had stopped at an old style Buick store which really should be much more trendy than it is. But the salesman was older and not in tune with the product line. I had noticed through years of stopping at stores in this area, Cincy may have differed, but a number of sales people were ex-GM employees or salaried from the Delphi/GM plants in the area. Not always the sharpest cookies in the jar on detail.
However, a good saleswoman can be worth her weight in gold. A local store has been recruiting women into their business. The saleswoman there was great. My wife laughed afterwards that I was explaining things to her because I had researched only 2 models instead of the 15 or so the salesperson has to know. But the saleswoman was very good. She's older and has some physical problems slowing her down, just like my wife has. She talked to my wife more than to me. She reminds me of the person from whom I bought my 1980 Oldmobile Cutlass Supreme (Frazier-Williams, Milford).
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
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I can't argue with that stick, but I can't see it happening.
The new MFT has buttons for most basic things like radio and climate control if a person doesn't want to get involved. You can also dial in a destination on the NAV if you don't want to speak the address. I don't know if the initial versions had that or not.
I'm interested in Mike's take on this. I was impressed in the level of expertise he has with the M-B version.
Joe
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
I can’t imagine that his Genny is good in the snow since it is a rear wheel drive car. I know mine is not very good but with Nokian snow tires on the rear it’s at least passible. With the Dunlops that came on mine (not sure what they have now) that car was downright pathetic in the snow. Like I said Nokians got it to an OK point but that’s about it.
I think his only salvation in having a Genny for his winter beater is that it’s much easier to breath after it gets hit vs. his Mazerati
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Perhaps geezers need the automotive equivalent of those "simple" cell phones that companies offer in AARP magazine? You know, they could market BASIC TECH package, something like that.
You are 100% correct, venture! The problems associated with most computer operating systems in cars (voice control, navigation, audio, etc.) is that older people do not have the memory retention that younger people do. Secondly, the younger population of our country was brought up on computers and computer technology. I am not saying that all "geezers" are inept, but a majority of them are when it comes to these systems.
The younger generations don't even bother looking things up in their owner's manuals. They get it all figured out in a short time just by hunting and pecking, so to speak.
However, there are automobile systems that are less user friendly than others, which could be the problem with Ford or GM - I don't know for sure since I am only familiar with Lexus and Mercedes.
For voice recognition, Mercedes has a training module that you bring up when you first get the car. It asks you to repeat number sequences in part 1, and in part 2, sentences and sentence fragments. Once you have completed the 20 minute training course (it's the computer interface that is adapting to the user's voice), the system is almost trouble free.
In the Mercedes, if I say something tot the computer in voice command, if it doesn't quite understand what I said, it brings up 8 to 10 possible words or streets and asks you to select the number that corresponds to the correct input. So it sort of has a back up system as well.
The new system in the Mercedes asks you to enter the complete address including number, street and city in one sentence rather than breaking the destination down to three separate entries.
No matter how long a sales representative takes to train a customer in the use of a computer system that controls so many of the car's functions, it is going to take constant use and trial and error to learn what your computer can do. Again, "geezers" tend to be a little slower in learning how to use the various commands and younger people tend to get it quickly.
My owners manual is only 1" thick - the actual owner's/user's guides and manuals are stored in the car's hard drive. To, I would have to pull up the "manual" icon and then either enter or "say" a keyword, such as "park assist" and the correct pages are then displayed. What I don't like about that is that you can only learn these things while sitting in the car. There is no 3" manual any more to read through at your own pace.
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
I have the original MFT. The HVAC and radio have buttons as well as control via the touch screen. One can input navigation address via the touch screen without the voice control. The problem is that the vehicle must be stopped.
As I said, I have no issue with the voice cotrol. One just has to know how to use it. When one wants to input a destination, it goes like this:
Hit voice button
Wait for response
Say "Destination address"
Response is "in Massachusetts, say the street address or say change state"
Say "One Two Three Main Street Anywhere, Massachusetts" not one twenty three
It'll find it 95% of the time. Keep in mind, you have to say street, avenue, parkway, et al - she doesn't guess.
Also, you can say simple things like I'm hungry or find gas and she does it.
One neat thing is that when the low fuel light is on, the nav shows all gas stations on the map.
You are correct, venture. Just about everything that can be pulled up using voice command can be pulled up manually using the buttons on the steering wheel or the prompts you can pull up manually using the computer "mouse".
In the E Class and CLS class cars, there are actually two(2) different information screens available to the driver/user. The main screen is called the NAV screen which includes Navigation, Audio (FM, AM, DISC, SAT, AUX, IPod/IPhone, etc.), System settings, Instant Fuel Economy (updates every 1 minute), Large Compass, Time, Mercedes Benz Apps, Internet Radio from Mercedes Benz "MBrace" (not the same as Sirius?XM), User's Manuals, World Wide Web, and a few other things. There are tons of sub-headings in each category including Telephone.
The other screen is located right in the middle of the Speedometer - and can show trip information, NAV info such as name of street you are traveling on and what direction you are traveling in), settings menus for lights, and a ton of other personal settings for your car such as audio alerts when locking doors or setting the color of the perimeter lighting in the car's interior (three colors are available), blue tooth phone, etc., including audio info and what station you are listening to, etc. Everything in the smaller screen inside the speedometer is adjusted and set and changed using the steering wheel buttons.
Park Assist has a separate button for turning the system on or off which is located next to the rear window shade button all on the dash. There are manual buttons and settings for climate control as well as voice commands too.
My take on this is simple - it has taken me 7 E Class Sedans and 1 CLS Coupe to finally learn 70% of what the computer is capable of. I still have another 30% to learn, and this is all since 2009. And I do not consider myself technologically handicapped.
Just the simple "hold" alert for the engine and transmission I learned two weeks ago. If at a traffic light stopped, the engine may or may not shut down (depending on a bunch of variables), but if you press your break down hard, a hold notification comes up - it actually applies full brakes until you tap the accelerator pedal which starts the engine and allows you to accelerate.
In conclusion, there is so much that the onboard computer can do (including the 80 Gig hard drive for everything including music), it is actually mind boggling in my opinion.
My suggestion is for the driver to learn those functions he/she uses the most and forget about trying to learn everything in a short time. Eventually, as you learn about your car and its computer systems, you will catch on.
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
I'll have to check what year he got or whether he will get snow tires. Apparently the 2015 Genny will offer AWD;
I know my RWD 328 Cabrilet was completely useless in snow...but, it was OK with snow tires on the front and back. You may have to consider snows on the front, especially if next winter is like this one.
I'll have to see why he got a Gennie as a winter car. I know he liked the features for the price, maybe he will leave the snow tires on it and just use it in the winter. He may have been better off with a Suburu...AWD and good safety record.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
It may depend on your past experience. My wife has safety at the top of her list when looking at cars, has to look good, have manual transmission, have great steering and suspension, tasteful, usually European. However, she was in our pick-up truck when my daughter was driving...just got her license. Son was also in the truck. It was a two lane - 60 mph highway.
My daughter slowed down to signal left to go into gas station, but had to stop for oncoming traffic. Car behind went off the road into gravel to go around the pick-up. Big truck didn't see their stopped car and slammed into the back, sending their truck across the road and into the ditch. They were shaken up, went to hospital, but were OK.
But, because of that incident, she would like to be in the safest car she can afford...but it has to also look good and perform. Not sure why my friends wife wanted him to get rid of the Fiat when the safety report came out and it flunked. Some people are a little OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) about these things.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250