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That red and blue thing. You're not referring to this example are you?
red vs blue
Course if you asked the resident expert capriracer about that guy claiming 100K he would mention something about a grain of salt.
There is a "Prices Paid" forum for the Pilots, and most other cars.
I made it 37k on Bridgestone Potenza RE92s on a Maxima... I'll average about 50k on the Michelin Pilot Sport A/Ss by the time I buy 4 of them... (I was naughty and didn't rotate them in the last 25k miles, and replaced the fronts with 43k on them.) These are Z rated tires on an overpowered car in suburban driving...
If most of your driving is wakeup, drive 4 blocks, get on the interstate and drive 30 miles and then get off and pull into your parking space, with no winding roads or much cornering for most of the miles, then 80k or 100k on something like a 4 cylinder mid-size with tires designed for mileage instead of grip won't be out of the question...
Of course, someone here doubted that I have a lifetime average on a VQ35 engine of 22.4 mpg... but Autoweek just finished a long term test of a 3.5 Altima with the 6 speed and they averaged 21 and change... and that was with multiple drivers romping the gas like crazy...
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Those GN's sere sleepers like no other car ever built!
If my memory serves me correctly the poster referred to a Honda getting the 100K. I thought that awesome. if true, being that it was a FWD vehicle. So now that makes 2 Hondas getting unreal mileage out of their tires. FWIW.
Honda uses top quality tires. They also seem to find the NOISIEST tires they can possibly find!
Yeah, what's up with that? I think they must have deaf people doing their noise tests. Inevitably the noise on any of my Hondas goes down once I replace the original tires.
That statement seems to be a contradiction. Top quality tires should not be that noisy. It's probably not the tires as much as Honda not using enough sound deadening materials to lower the noise. Honda's cars are known to be a bit on the noisy side.
Also, keep in mind for optimal tire safety it is recommended to replace tires after 5 years... regardless of the mileage. Over on "Tires Tires Tires" some guys report their mileage like it's some kind of contest. i.e "OH, look at me. I got 180,000 miles out of a set of Hancock tires... I'm #1"
I think taking a tire down to it's legal limit of 3/32 " is dangerous as well. That's almost pancake tires. Replace them at 4/32... 5/32 or 6/32 is even better.
Why isn't anyone talking about the car taking the pictures? It seemed to easily keep ahead of both of them.
To me, it didn't seem like any race at all. A couple of cars just briskly pulled away down the highway.
edit: whoops. didn't see bolivar's post till now.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
For a simple enough experiment go over on tirerack and go through their choose your tire feature.
Last I looked (I imagine it's still the same) they will ask you to set your priorities - performance, comfort and tread life. I suspect OEM Honda tires go in the order of tread life first with the others taking a back seat. Any tire that tries to be long lasting above all other things will be hard, stiff and loud compared to one that's not.
I tend to ask for performance first, followed by comfort with tread life last. Part of the theory that the tire is functionally dead before the tread is gone anyway and the other part is if I have to buy an extra set of tires over the life of the car to get the performance and comfort I want it's worth it.
"the picture showed bloodz and cripz (red vs blue) "
Think it's actually with an " s " per old school but regardless,
contibution to humor is +1, Well said.You don't have to put on your red light.
"Than she proceeds to tell me her friend got the same car with $3000 more equipment for $250/mo with no money down. So I suggest that she may not know all the facts about her friends purchase which in the end she admits... We agree she has to do more shopping to verify my numbers it is now 7pm... "
Congratulation on never losing your cool, That's what it's all about.
Appeal to their logic and you might make the sale.Thinking I don't
even want to know that one's Fico, it's how a true saleman would proceed.
I still prefer sleepers. A friend of mine used to auto-x a seriously modded E36 M3. Just for giggles he removed the ///M3 badge and replaced it with a German 316 badge. Several months later European Car published a letter from a clueless doofus asking where he could buy a 316 like the one he saw that set FTD at a local SCCA event...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Makes me wanna cry for selling my 87GN. I bought it new and sold it 10 years later with 18,000 miles on it.
"If the sounds of my failures are heard hitting the Earth, let it be known that it was an unsuccessful leap for a star." Thomas Wolfe '
"Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing ". The bard, himself.
So true I find myself nodding daily in agreement.
Yet one more, What a giftie God would gie us to see ourselves as others see us.
The world might need a few more poets, Sir richard Lord Guardian. Post on.
Lower oil prices may save the intermediate three, largely it depends on how dumb consumers are. Short to intermediate term, the oil market always goes in extremes. Longer term, Chin-India, needs to build a few more cities, and that needs copper, oil and lumber. Short term, commodities suck. longer term, still not enough refineries, lots of oil, just not those dirty nasty refineries. Except in Houston. Cough.
Not in my back yard..
A couple of weeks when this started and I saw the headline on CNN I was in shock!
"How on earth did the Russians get into this country with all those tanks and troops and attack Georgia?"
Heck we can't even control my compadres coming in from across the southern border!
:shades:
" "How on earth did the Russians get into this country with all those tanks and troops and attack Georgia?"
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Not buying in to the media hype. We all know Charlie Daniels would kick Putins heinie to Valdosta. Devil went down to Georgia indeed. As an aside, they talk funny.
Heck, he still has a Ford Model A.
We had this full day training a few years ago on protecting customer's NPN. They even assigned a "security officer" to implement the changes. Well, from what I can see a couple of years later it hasn't worked so far. I still find copies of customer's driver's licenses on workstations unattended, in cars left on the front or back seats, etc,,etc,,.
We did put a combo lock on the door to the BDC office where we have our "own" personal desks with lockable drawers. This doors locking mechanism is disabled during the day so anyone can walk in. The only person there during the day is our customer relations manner and most of the time you have to look over or around the partitions to her desk to see if she's in.
:sick:
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Ever had a 35 series run flat tire running close to your head in a car with virtually no insulation? Now that's noise. Called driving a vette....err not chevette.
So, on that basis I have not rotated tires ever since then. I figure, so what if the front tires wear out first I,ll just buy new ones...probably cheaper than rotating tires every 10000 miles or whatever.
I haven't had a tire go bad (from some kind of crazy wear pattern) since then. Any tires I have replaced since then are from normal wear, or from a puncture...usually a roofing nail that has dropped off a roofers truck.
IMHO rotating tires is really over rated....is it just me or is it every one else that is crazy? :confuse:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Talking of street racing, up until about 15 years ago, myself and another car enthusiast buddy had a ratty 'ole Mustang. It was a combination of primer and faded black paint. Plenty of dents. Looked like hell. But, we had a 302 in it that was cammed, headered, performance ignitioned and exhaust. Took every bit of interior accomodations out of it as we possibly could. Also gutted the doors and trunk to save some weight. It ran 13s. On a good day, it would sneak into the 12s. We ran it on "open nights" at the local track. Really, it was just a Mustang shell with a Ford small block. Everything else was custom purchased and installed or fabricated by us.
Spent a ton of weekends massaging it.
Usually, we trailered it to these events. Every once in awhile, we'd slap some illegal tags on it, cap the headers and drive it on the street to these events. Pulled up to red lights, looking like it just came from the local junk yard and having a little cafe racing fun with the local "all show, no go" set.
Fun stopped when we were caught by the local constables. I still remember to this day the cop looking into the car asking for my license (since I was the one driving at the time) and stating "aren't you a little old for this kind of foolishness?"
"No sir....this is our hobby."
When he found out the tags didn't match the car, he got real serious. He had me "assume the position". Cuffed me. Stuffed me into the back of his cruiser. He was running my driver's license and found out it was clean.
He said, "what's wrong with you? You know how many laws you broke?"
"I would imagine quite a few, sir".
"That car isn't safe to even roll down a driveway".
"Yes sir!"
He lightened up a little bit asking me about the car, how much HP (never dyno'd it, didn't know), what add-ons we used, etc.
He let me sit and sweat in the back of the cruiser while he called off another cruiser that he had previously called to the scene. I was trying to figure out how I was going to explain this to my (then) wife....our neighbors....my family...wondering what jail was really like.
He got out of the cruiser, opened up the back door and told me to get out. He took the cuffs off and said..."if you weren't so polite, and so OLD (emphasis on the OLD), I'd run you in. Instead, I'm just going to impound your car. You're going to have to bring it up to inspection and safety standards, IF you want it back."
He left me and my bud on the side of the road....no car (although we did get to see it towed away).
We never saw that car again. And, to this day, that was the first, and last time, I was cuffed and put into a police cruiser.
DISCLAIMER.....kids, don't try this at home. Stunts like this should only be attempted by idiotic adults.
When I had my 1999 Accord V-6 Coupe, I replaced the originals with Toyos. The guy at the tire store told me they wouldn't last as long but I would notice a big difference in noise and he was dead on!
OK, GG, I just had to correct your above sentence. Since you decided to make each term a verb, your final word should be "exhausted." And it would seem very appropriate in more ways than one.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
You're also right that "exhausted" would have been an appropriate term regarding what I represent to those around me......
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
About 2 months after the incident, we got a call from the impound lot asking us when we were going to come get it. We asked what would happen if we didn't. They said they would sell it to cover the storage fees. If there was any discrepancy, we would be responsible for the difference. IIRC, by that time, it was going to cost north of $1,000 to free it from its prison. No matter. Never heard from them again.
Talked to a cop friend about their impound lot. He said they rarely kept vehicles more than a couple of weeks, unless it was a high priced car, and the owners were unlikely to abandon it. Or, it was a vehicle that was used in a felony, and had to be kept as evidence for trial. He said ours was probably sold to a salvage yard where they parted it out, then crushed the rest.
Too bad. Looked bad but ran like a scalded dog.
This was a lot of years ago, but he also said that most of the lux models they got were not the result of drug arrests or stolen vehicle recoveries, but from DUI impounds and white collar crime forfeitures.
Shoulda been "exhausted" :P :ROFL
I have to side with chikoo on this one. I don't remember much about road noise being an issue with my 2001 Civic, but the stock tires were horrible. 3 drops of rain and you would hydroplane everywhere you went. The problem was easily resolved by replacing these with wider tires. The car was super sure-footed after that (went from 185 to 195 width). Honda put lots of quality items into that car, but the tires were not among them.
To stay on topic, I bought the aforementioned Civic while working at a dealership the summer I got married (it was a gift to each other). I got a great deal on it as a result, but the greanpea who sold it to me treated me like her kid brother instead of a customer (we're not related). Totally unprofessional - as if getting a great deal on the car should negate the fact that I was still spending about $13K on a new car!
That's kind of the norm with most car manufacturers. Easy way to save a buck, in that 90% of buyers won't know the difference.
The OEM Dunlop SP 4000 that came with my MPV is an expensive, though somewhat crappy tire. Needed replacement at 32k miles...was at 5/32 or 6/32 and slipping in H20 at the subatomic level.
Tires that last longer typically do that by not gripping the road as much. So there is a trade-off.
that said, I am confused with your solution to use wider tires to fight hydroplaning. My thoughts are that you would hydroplane more with wider tires since the pressure per sq inch exerted by the tires on the road just dropped a hell lot.
and I said "Honda tires" with an Emotorcon to indicate that Honda does not make tires. Therefore there are no "Honda Tires"
Now I'm at a high line store. I alternate 7-5 / 8-6 with the other sales person Mon-Fri; 7-4 on Saturday and 11-3 on Sundays. I get 2 days off a week; alternating Thu/Fri or Sat/Sun.
I'm thinking of transfering to another store with longer hours but man the schedule is so nice here!
Don't you know the Toyota "rule of thumb"? You replace the water pump with every second timing belt.
Hmm, neither of my current Toyotas has a timing belt, so how am I going to know when to change the water pump?
..."if you weren't so polite, and so OLD (emphasis on the OLD), I'd run you in. Instead, I'm just going to impound your car. You're going to have to bring it up to inspection and safety standards, IF you want it
Thank God for end of the shift eh? He could write you up for a series of class c's or go home and eat dinner. But politeness definately helps. They get nothing but grief typically.Thinking so many Yes Sir's going on in that back seat it sounded like a military briefing.Tin soldiers in honor of your demographic.
What kind of cost is that for the pump and the engine lift?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
..."if you weren't so polite, and so OLD (emphasis on the OLD), I'd run you in. Instead, I'm just going to impound your car. You're going to have to bring it up to inspection and safety standards, IF you want it
Thank God for end of the shift eh? He could write you up for a series of class c's or go home and eat dinner. But politeness definately helps. They get nothing but grief typically.Thinking so many Yes Sir's going on in that back seat it sounded like a military briefing.Tin soldiers in honor of your demographic.
Wouldn't you know their server would go down ? So can't delete the dupe.
How will you know? Oh, you'll know. It'll either start making a lot of noise or it'll start leaking.
"Isellhondas wrote:
"How will you know? Oh, you'll know. It'll either start making a lot of noise or it'll start leaking "
Or come to a halt, generally not screeching.More like, damn, sob is dead as you drift slowly toward the shoulder. Car no go.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive