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What reason was given?
Just for you at the Chicago Auto Show
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That's pretty bad. We thought that the bail out funds would enable banks to keep lending money. So much for promises.
Richard
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I thought you were going to say b/c of all the cop cars :P
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Oh, don't tease the poor man...... :P
Just for you at the Chicago Auto Show
It might just be me. I really like the style of a Caddie so I am not prejudice against GM (not Grand Marqui)
But, that Camaro does nothing for me.
I even like a Mustang or Challenger much more!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
You love doing this to me, don't you? :P Thanks for at least thinking of me.
Richard
Just wait. You'll be old some day. :P
Richard
And I thought I was the only one who felt like that.
I loved the Mustang post 2005 but when the Challenger came out I looked at the weight and was turned off by the prospect of feeding it with $4.50 gas.
What the heck, in a few years those kind of cars will be illegal or else it will be like smoking, you'll have to go outside city limits to drive them so no one is exposed to your second-hand fun,
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Please, please tell us - why 795 would approve you for a new Land Rover (or whatever else you sell)?
2018 430i Gran Coupe
And I thought I was the only one who felt like that.
IMO they were trying to get the edginess of the new Camry. Toyota did that to appeal to younger people. I don't know if the Camaro name means much to younger people. I think if they were trying to appeal to older people, they should have kept the original classic lines. I hope they had least kept it light enough for 4 and 6 cylinder engines. It looks like it is real big and heavy like a Challenger.
I'd rather have a GM :P
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
The again, I may be dreaming that any of that could happen the way I plan.
imid....welcome to the game of I-75/I-275 crawl.
The car had to be more than just a Land Rover - can't imagine $40K.month not getting approved for a $1000/month lease even at 40% debt ratio - but who knows. Aston Martin perhaps?
2018 430i Gran Coupe
2018 430i Gran Coupe
The concept of walking out the door with a 20-30K item with no money down just boggles my mind. Now people are shocked if asked to make a down payment.
Way back in 1986 when I bought my Toyota we were waiting for the salesman to come back from the manager. I overheard the discussion in the next cubicle. The dealership was running one of those "No Money Down" promotions and the buyer wasn't happy. I heard the salesman say "But you at least have to pay the sales tax up front".
I thought to myself "What a deadbeat to come in without even the sales tax to put down".
Flash forward to about a year ago.
I'm signing the papers on my new Mitsu and I ask how much they want down. The salesman says "Why put anything down? You're getting 0% financing, why not finance 100% of it including TTL?".
I guess things have come full circle. Years ago you wouldn't dare put down less than 20% plus TTL. It's back to that now.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Something else has to be going on here...unless the banks no longer believe in credit scores and have decided to concoct their own.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2018 430i Gran Coupe
Most people do not put much if any money down - painless instant gratification. Also, many people do not want to put money down on a depreciating asset.
Money down on a lease does not make sense as it is bsically just an advance payment and cannot be recouped on the GAP insurance if the car is totaled.
Ha, many folks I deal with don't even have enough in their account for a $100 deposit, let alone sales tax. I had one guy who wanted a new Challenger and didn't even have enough for a full tank of gas until his next payday. I assured him he'll get a tank of gas with the car, but we couldn't get him approved anyways.
Sometimes getting a $25 deposit on a deal is like pulling teeth. :sick:
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
So Mr. Buyer, here is the deal. Your trade-in is worth $15,000 and you owe $20,000.
You have no money to put down on this $30,000 car. So, don't worry GMAC will give you a $35,000 loan for this car AND since you can't afford a high payment we will make this a 72 month loan. Just so we can have a payment to fit your budget.
And then in 3 or so years you car will decline 20%-30% in value and by then you may have just paid down the original negative equity...and we know you will feel like you are entitled to a new car so DONT worry we will figure out something for you then!!!!
You're a step behind actually. Try 84 or 96 month loan.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
I loved the Custom Auto Show back when the emphasis was on local cars built by regular guys- and Kool "National" cars like the Predicta. Now it has too much of a carnival atmosphere, so I just blow off the New Car Show as well...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
On a GM product? HA!
Try 50-60%
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
“A volume brand and a premium brand can get the job done. Toyota has proven that,” said Karl Brauer, editor in chief of Edmunds.com, a Web site that offers car-buying advice. “Cadillac, Chevy, done.”
Really? Did I miss Toyota selling Scion?
Really what? You're questioning whether Chevy and Cadillac represent volume and premium brands?
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
No, I'm questioning the fact that Karl used Toyota as an example of a brand that has been sucessful with only two brands. That's a pretty big mistake IMHO since Toyota has Lexus, Toyota, and Scion.
“A volume brand and a premium brand can get the job done. Toyota has proven that,” said Karl Brauer, editor in chief of Edmunds.com, a Web site that offers car-buying advice.
I don't think that was the point. The issue was premium versus volume as opposed to 2 versus 3 or 4 or whatever. But I can see how you could interpret that the way you did.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
It's just $17,000 before getting your baby seal club out.
The extended family won't find this car disappointing.
And, if times get tough, you can get into the limo business.
If the worst happens, your neices and nephews will have a blast driving around in one of these.
Lincoln Towne Car
Actually, I'd even consider it.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
conFusion so here is the final evaluation on the Fusebox!Excellent value overall. 25 mpg is quite respectable. This is fairly basic transportation which will get you there fairly comfortably. Some nice extras including digital mileage, outside temp guage, lots of cup holders, instruments are clear and easy to read.
Brakes though adequate are not very strong. You get used to the slow spongy steering and it is an improvement over most domestic makes, better than say an Impala. Concerns me that there aren't side airbags and I doubt there is stability control. I did get used to that big protrusion under the steering wheel that I banged my knee on, but I have to be aware of it. I don't get a real feeling of solidness and there isn't a sense of being part of the car...it is kind of an appliance that will get you from A to B. Although the trim level is satisfactory, it is really made on a budget.
Final impression. At one time I would have bought a car like this. If I was looking for a car that appealed to me and it came out at a good price I would have bought a car like this. Now...and I would have to research this a little better but it looks like a new Fusion would cost about $30,000 less discounts about $25,000. Personally, I would go with a one year old Bimmer 3 series for $30k, have 3 year complete warranty for another 3 years....and the car would be worth more after about 5 years...and I'd have more safety, more fun, and a lot more comfort. Another possibility is a one year old Audi for about $22k, and I think I would have a much better car (and very good reliability these days), and a car that would be a little more "special".
It's been 3 weeks now in FL with one week more to go....time has flown by. Hope it is good where you are.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
That's right, rub it in with your nice warm weather and your fancy Fords. I'll be cursing you as I await yet another snow storm. :sick:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
What can you get with GMC that you can't get over at the neighboring Chevy store? Why can't a Pontiac G8 not be a Chevy Impala SS? Heck, with current discounts, why buy a Buick LuCerne/LaCrosse when you can have a Caddy CTS for about the same price?
Toyota may have a little overlap with Scion vs Toyota. Not like GM, though. Truth told, you could easily change the badge of an xA, xB, and a TC to a Toyota badge and no one would care, dumping the Yaris, and maybe even the Matrix, in the process. Plus, all the Scion dealerships could close, saving the franchisees a ton of money.
Aside from Richard's elusive Grand Marquis, what can you get at the Mercury dealership that can't be had at the Ford or Lincoln store?
Chrysler? Why throw good money after bad? Dumping Aspen, Durango, and whatever other models they plan on mothballing isn't going to save them. Daimler and Cerebus are just going to have to take their financial lumps (thanks for nothing Mr. Schremp and Dr Z). Their horrendous mismanagement, in large part, put them in their predicament. Put Jeep up for auction and be done with it.
1. The pictures show a gold pearl exterior color. The Carfax Report says that the exterior color is black.
2. Notice the picture of the driver's seat and tell me that it has only been 35 miles in its life.
3. With only 35 miles, where has this car been sitting for over three years?
4. The gray color interior is more in line with a black car. Notice color of the dash. I would think that a gold pearl exterior would have a different interior color.
The real history of this car would be interesting to know.
BTW, did you notice that there was only one poster on this thread all of yesterday? I don't ever remember that happening. :surprise:
Thanks again. If all were true, that would be a great deal.
Richard
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The guy in the video does say black too, yet all the pictures show white.
In the video he definitely says 35 miles.........not 35K which I thought could be a misprint too.
After I thought, maybe it is one of those cars that was in a flood zone.
Then again, maybe somebody bought it and had a heart attack on the way home!
It's quite the deal....kind of makes me just dream a bit..............
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I know what you mean OF, we keep checking the weather back home and are so happy to be here.
We went to the Edison/Ford museum yesterday and it is pretty interesting. Edison, Henry Ford and Firestone were all buddies. They each put up $25000 to try to develop more rubber for tires...during WW1. They grew Banyon trees to extract latex, then tried lots of other plants, golden rods were good and they grow like weeds, because they are weeds.
Edison helped develop motion pictures and phonograph players and of course light bulbs and electricity for home consumption, but Westinghouse with AC current won out.
Makes you wonder when these things would have come about if he hadn't developed them.
And we have a gas shortage and environmental problems. But, at that time a shortage of rubber was a real serious problem. There's always some kind of problem going on, and hopefully someone comes along with a solution.
One other thought. With all the fancy cars, people packing the outdoor cafes, and fancy - expensive clothes stores in St Armand's Circle Sarasota you'd hardly know there was a recession going on. And with my fancy Ford Fusebox, I looked like the poorest person around. Going around that circle there was every kind of fancy car including a Rolls, every luxury convertible known to man, and even a red Audi R8!!!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Can't explain the black color though.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Boom, I thought that was part of your job. Sit and wait until someone goes online and then you speak to them and make it seem all the info is from a computer program.
Can't explain the black color though.
I guess they pressed the wrong key when they were making the video.
It's a pretty cool program if it worked properly. Would really like to know what the scam is though.....it just seems too good to be true. Speaking of scams, we answered a call on our U.S. cell phone and it was someone selling car warranties, the same scam that's in Canada. That call cost us $1.50 and we just received an unwanted call :sick:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Actually some dealerships now have live chat for anyone browsing on their websites. It's a live person, and the internet surfer can ask questions and receive instant responses.
You could have lost a lot more than $1.50 if you were to fall for the warranty scam. :surprise:
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Also, I'm sure that some lovely GM's were going around the circle as well. :shades:
Richard
Many of those things were inevitable and likely would have been developed by others very quickly. People like Nicola Tesla (and others!) were doing all kinds of explorations based on developments in physics some 100 years earlier by Faraday, Ampere and others. That is not to detract from Edison's genius. He got there first and we're grateful for that.
A similar thing happened with electronics. The work of Planck, Heisenberg and others at the beginning of the 20th century eventually led to semiconductors, lasers and so on some 50+ years later.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper