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I know there are deals out there as PTs depreciate like a rock(as do all domestics). Autotrader lists one in Orlando Fl. with 600 miles for 14K. I could fly there and save a ton even with airfare but "we" had to have it with certain options and colors so no deal.
You also have to remember that I live in NY and local dealers are typically $1-2K higher in their prices than surrounding states due to the high taxes and regulations that our lovely state imposes on businesses. :mad:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Enjoy the new ride.
Thanks. Funny you mentioned 2 points on the financing. I said exactly that to the salesman when he was heming and hawing about my offer. I offered to finance the car and not pay it off for 90 days.
As to the choke and croak, the F&I guy offered me a "terrific deal" on an extended warranty for only $1300. I was polite but said no thanks. No mop and glo was offered.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I remember one car that we bought we could have gotten 0% financing for 3 years. My wife said "no deal" we're paying cash and that's that ! I said, "but honey..." she got this wild look in her eyes so I just looked at the salesman and said, "Yep, that's what we're gonna do".
No, I don't expect any single guys to understand this at all.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Yeah, I remember you saying you were disappointed with the downshift in a previous post. I haven’t noticed this at all. If anything, mine is a tad slow off the line but still pretty darn quick. So, to see how mine does on the downshift, I decided to check it out on the way home on the PA Pike today. I left a little early (not for that reason) and the Pike was pretty barren. I usually put the cruise on 70 and let it go then when I want to pass, I step on it. Today I came to a straight flat spot on the pike (anyone that’s ever driven the PA Pike knows there aren’t too many of those in the south western part of the state) and there were 4/5 cars cruising at about 70. So, I pull out into the left lane and when I’m squared away, I punched it for a few seconds then let up. When I looked down at the speedometer it was falling back from 90.
Just in case anyone is wondering, the tank of gas I’m running on now is premium (91 octane) but when I’ve done this with regular gas (87 octane) it seems to perform the same way. Therefore, I’m convinced my car doesn’t have the hesitation that you experienced on your test drive.
Some how I don’t really see you in a Genesis because you seem to like the quick/nimble handling of a car like you would get in a BMW or the Acura TL that you’ve been pondering for a while now. But, it doesn’t sound like you’ll lose with either choice and I’m sure you will let us know which way you go on this.
Good luck, this is the fun part of buying a new car.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Come on GG, get off the fence, buy something! You can't leave it up to all the old farts on this board to support the entire auto industry. You young guys have to pitch in too.
When I'm selling flowers and I have a customer who can't make up her mind I tell her to turn her back to my stand and then turn around quickly. Whatever plant catches her eye first is the right one. Take one of your cars out for a test drive to the other store and park them side by side. With your back to both cars turn around quickly. Which ever car your eyes lock on to is the one you'll be happiest with.
Good luck, I can't wait to hear jmonroe tell you that what ever car you purchased, it was the wrong choice. :P
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
But, I also agree I'm probably more in line with the "sporty" handling cars in my wants.
oldfarmer......LOL! Yeah, me....the guy who makes quick offers and quick decisions, waffling. Who'd have thunk it. :P
Like most everyone else, I think a lot of the waffling is related to the economic hangover we're all experiencing. I'm spending more time hoarding cash these days, as such, much less willing to part with it.
I'm going to have to get off the fence pretty shortly, as my son will be taking over the Accord in short order.
BTW, nice job on the PT. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
No disrespect Tom..... But I would consider this a story for the front lines.... This has been going on for years.... There are 3 ways to make money.... Front end profit.... back end profit.... and the trade :surprise:
Just because the market is in caos doesn't mean this is anything new....
GP
I answered the question.... definately sloppy work on the dealers part for delivering a vehicle they should have known that different the paper work. If it is the same vehicle (same MSRP ) just redo the paper work and move on... If it is missing equipment cancel the deal and go to another dealer.
GP
Insurance company will only cover the vehicle with the said VIN number on the contracts.... other than that the people are driving illegal depending on state laws.... but deifnately not covered by ins. the dealer would be on the hook if anything happen. It is the responsibilty of the dealership to make sure the correct info is contracted.
GP
I hear ya Moo.... same thing here. Last month was great this month is not what I was predicting. I keep running into people that want to wait for cash for clunkers.
GP
Think of it from the banks perspective.... they need your business also. The banks make money on loans and want to keep the deal together.... Bottme line the contracts are breached and wrong. You have no deal on the vehicle your are driving. I would bring the vehicle back if the vehicle if it is different.
GP
no can do unless the dealer is willing to.
AHhh incorrect...... the paper work is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The vehicle is driving illegaly. Said vehicle is not registered to said person..... The dealership is on the hook!!!!!
GP
I agree
GP
If the vehicle is being driven illegaly (150 miles) they need to park it and get the authorites or attorney involved since the dealer will not take it back.
If the dealer does not want to take the car back it seems as though attorney and court will be the expensive way to get out of this vehicle.
Very true, there is a verse in the Bible that states something to the effect that the first to tell their story seems right until someone comes along to question them.
If the vehicle is being driven illegaly (150 miles) they need to park it and get the authorites or attorney involved since the dealer will not take it back.
Agree, I would have drove straight back to the dealership and parked it there and given someone there the keys saying it was the wrong car. If you keep the car and especially drive the thing a sharp lawyer could argue that you have effectively validated a contract to buy that truck by using it. It would be up to the judge to decide if it it a valid argument (it would depend of state laws and prior court decisions).
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You can't blame them for that, can you? If there had been an extra $4500 around last year when I was buying I might be driving one of your Altima coupes instead of the Eclipse.
What someone mentioned before was that when that program goes in effect we will see a comparable reduction in rebates, dealer cash and other incentives. I'm sure that will be the case to some extent so the net gain won't be that great. :sick:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Better yet, drive back, park it so it blocks the dealership driveway and throw the keys on the roof. I hear that last part really gets people's attention.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Better yet find where the owner lives park it so it blocks his driveway and throw the keys on his roof.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Sooooo, would it kill yew to give us some details? :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
For the dealer, perhaps. I'd be asking for more than just unwinding the deal. I'd be asking for attorney's fees, too.
While not often, I've seen some dealers play this game. They screw up and pretend there's no consequence. Well, yes there is a consequence. The buyer is, as has been pointed out, driving illegally. The VIN the buyer has insured doesn't match what the buyer bought. If anything happens, the liability would revert to the dealership.
I also agree that the vehicle should be returned to the dealership, keys dropped off, until all of this gets sorted out. Once that's done, I'd run away from this dealer, far away.
I disagree, I think we will see an increase in rebates. I really see the manufactures going all out to support this thing and try to make it as big as the very first 0% sales.
If the manufactures hang there hats on soley CFC deals they are fools. CFC should be plus business.
While not often, I've seen some dealers play this game. They screw up and pretend there's no consequence. Well, yes there is a consequence. The buyer is, as has been pointed out, driving illegally. The VIN the buyer has insured doesn't match what the buyer bought. If anything happens, the liability would revert to the dealership.
Exactly...... That is why they just don't hand dealers licenses to any one. You need to have someone who has passed the NADA GM school or if they were grandfathered in.....
The reason people are supposed to pay a premium is because it is the dealerships responsibility to handle the paper work in a legal matter... A compliance officer would have a field day with this :surprise:
GP
No i don't blame anyone for this situation farmer.... And to answer your question before I believe you paid a additional $175 on your mitsu.... that qualifies you for a laydown :P JK
GP
I hope to heaven that you are right. Who knows, maybe the Mustang GT will be mine.
You could keep my truck and put it on display outside your store as the most beat-up F-150 on the planet that still runs.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Just for the record it was $178 and it was because you sales folks brainwashed me!
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
My sister who is a CPCU (Chartered Property Casualty Underwriter) who has been underwriting insurance longer than many here have been driving tells me that the car would be insured even if the VIN number is wrong. She told me to check the policy under named insured and it should be the driver not the car.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
This does not let the dealer off the hook by any means.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Iv a feeling there is a whole lot more to this fiasco that the customer put theirselves in than we will ever know.
Now I feel bad. I just realized I never once checked the VIN on the car I bought today! I had browsed and looked. The finance manager took care of putting the paperwork together, putting the temp tag on the car, and taking my check. I trust that he got the right VIN on all the paperwork.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
He looked at a 95’ Trans Am that had around 60K miles at a used car lot on the other side of the Burgh that specializes in muscle cars. He drove it, liked it but wanted to have his indy garage inspect it but the dealer didn’t like the idea of him driving it that far (I don’t blame the guy) so my son arranged for the dealer to take the car to an indy shop near the dealer. My son had this garage recommended by his racing buddies.
The car came back with a pretty good report card even though the garage said the car had been bottomed out and the oil pan and muffler were slightly dented but it needed a serpentine belt and a few other minor items that would come to about $200 to replace. So, my son asked the dealer to knock off $200 for the needed repairs and it was a deal. The dealer said, “NO”, they couldn’t go any lower than the price they had agreed on, so he walked.
He now looks at an almost identical car on Autotraders but it’s in Charleston WV :surprise: . Hey, he had no problem finding me what I wanted in Ohio and he isn’t a stranger to going out of the Burgh for what he wants. He bought his Altima in northern Virginia just outside of DC in 2003. So, WV didn’t scare him one bit. To save time on Saturday, he asks the private party to take it to an indy garage close to him on Wednesday. His racing buddies found a garage for him again, even down there. He said they put the word out on the street and within a couple hours they had a couple hits. Those guys sure do look out for each other. This car comes back with GREAT report card.
Of course he needs a driver to go with him on Saturday, so ‘good-ole-dad’ rises to the occasion. We’re on the road a little after 6 AM
The guy he bought it from just bought a new Vette CSR (sticker almost $56K, got it for $50K and change without too much of a fight). According to this guy it’s a limited production car with only 150 (maybe 250, I can’t remember for sure what he said) to be made, his is # 122. He goes on to say he’ll probably keep it for 6 or 7 years. When Son #1 hears that he says, “if you keep it in the same condition that you kept the Trans Am, give me a call before you decide to get rid of it”.
How do you like that? A possible sales tale down the road. Nobody can say the jmonroe family ain’t doing their part for this form.
FWIW, my son did check the VIN # on the car and the title to make sure it matched. He did this all by himself without any input from me. GEEK.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Buying a house is a much more complicated transaction with dozens of eyes checking every detail. Been to a real estate closing lately? And you can't just drive off in any old house.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
Neither did I. However, this story must have been in the back of my mind when I bought the other day because I had the F&I guy write the VIN of my car on the buyer's order. Never did that before.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I agree and think that's a high estimate. On new cars, most people would decide I want "that" one. Returning to pick up the car, or the same day, they note that the car they pointed to and negotiated for is gone from the slot. Same for used car purchase. So most of us feel comfortable that we're getting the one car that the dealer had in that model, that option line, etc.
I saw the F&I guy go out with the temp plate for the car and I believe he verified the VIN. But I didn't watch him the whole time.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But, to add insult to injury, by not rectifying the mistake (giving babecat the actual truck she made a deal on), and trying to force her to take something she did not buy, well.....that borders on unethical.
If she's still around, I'm wondering if this is a sales, or F&I mistake they're trying to cover up. I'd also be contacting the GM, and even the dealer principal about the issue. They may not even know about it.
I agree that mistakes can happen but a dealer has to fix his mistakes. I wonder if babecat would have as hard a time working this out if they gave her a truck with a higher price by mistake.
In reviewing my buyer's order on the PT I noticed that the F&! guy was charging me $25 extra for "gas". I pointed out that the sheet the salesman showed me said it came with a full tank at no charge. He re-did the order and mumbled something about "honest mistake" But I wonder.
Also, my buyer's order lists "doc fee", NYS inspection fee and tire tax fee but nowhere does it list a charge for the actual registration cost (aprox $125). Could this be another "honest mistake"?
I suspect that I will get asked to pay this when I pick up the car tomorrow. Maybe I should say "a deal's a deal" and refuse to pay any more than is written on the buyer's order.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Here is my question, did she get the same truck? By that I mean is it the same make, model, color, interior, and options? If so then there is really no difference between the two trucks other than the VIN. If that is the case (it sounds like it since they had to check VIS's to see if it was right) then having the dealer correct the VIN on all the paperwork should do it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Did we ever find out what was different in the two trucks?
There was a consumer complaint in the newspaper a few weeks ago. A lady bought a barbeque from an independent retailer, a very honest and ethical dealer. She went back and wanted to buy a cover. When she took the cover home it wouldn't fit. When she took it back to complain the store realized a new employee had given her a more expensive Bar BQ, it was worth $300 more than the one she paid for. The store asked her if she would split the extra cost 50/50. The lady refused and said she will keep the Bar BQ and wouldn't pay any amount more. The columnist said he got loads of letters saying that they think the lady was wrong, and they would have paid the difference.
If the dealer sold you a vehicle, and you drove it home, then realized they made a mistake, and the car was worth $3000 more than you paid, would you take it back???
(by the way, all the paperwork was filled out correctly, proper VIN etc)
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I can't even think of how many people look at Vins.... In the last 6.5 years maybe 2 people have checked the VIN #.....
GP
The WS6 started in 98 and ran through 2002 nor could he find a WS6 that wasn't miled up. That's why he dropped back to the 95' with the LT1 engine. He was also insistent that the Trans Am not have any after market add-ons. He said he wanted a clean slate to work with from which he could make his own modes himself.
Pretty picky guy that was buying used but he found exactly what he wanted in a 95'. That car was babied. I just came back from doing a test drive that he insisted that I took. It's a 6 speed manual (of course) and it's damn QUICK.
That test drive only reinforced why I don't want a stick. I'm worn out. Talk to you guys after I take a nap.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
He did tell a short story after I mentioned about someone getting a vehicle with the wrong VIN here on Edmunds. He had been sued one time by the widow of a man who bought a vehicle from him. She said he hadn't been offered the credit life insurance on the loan; she was NOT at the closing. The buyer had declined the insurance. I guess she was hoping to make some money. She lost. If I were on a jury and watched the gentleman testify and saw how detail oriented he is, I wouldn't have judged he made a mistake either.
Interesting also was that they had been open since 9 and by 11 he was doing our cash purchase; it was the _third_ cash purchase already that day. He said that was really unusual.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Richard