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So far I have yet to see a Genesis; on the road or in a parking lot. I am not kidding, not a single one. I think I bought a dud.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Not by a long shot. Take pleasure in driving something unique, unlike 3 series, all Hondas, C & E Mercs and many others.
Enjoy! (as if. . .)
Nah, you're just on the leading edge, others will follow.
All the write up have been excellent, I think the Genesis does have to carve out a niche market.......luxury at a lower price, which won't be easy. Not very many ads too, that could help. It might not have been a good time to launch a luxury car too, and not too many people want to try something new and different, during tough times.
Nothing wrong with the car, or the price.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I've seen one here in my little town in Colorado ... driven, if you can believe it, by someone who looks 30-ish. Of course, he's replaced the stock wheels with custom rims (black, IIRC).
Not sure if it's a V6 or the V8, though.
I might add, I drove the family to the Cracker Barrel in my van, which I bought at a Saturn Dealer. I didn't feel like a clubbed seal after buying the van.
FWIW, the Fusion and current Taurus have evolved a lot quicker than the old Taurus, Contour, and Tempo did. Those hardly changed at all.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
a new family moved in at the beginning of our street.
they have an azera, but since they have red sox stuff plastered onto their cars, i won't stop and introduce myself and tell them i saw chipmunks chewing up their garage.
Then they oughta put a warning in the owners manual. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
The interesting thing is that there were building a plant in Mexico to open in 2010. However, it looks like they canceled the project. So who knows what will happen? :confuse:
Their wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Automobile_Works
Have you seen the factory where Chrysler makes the PT Cruiser? Just wondering if they put beer cans in the door panels like in Detroit.
Got the wife to test drive a PT today in the rain. She was so scared that she would crash it that she made herself sick. She still thinks that it's "cute" but she thinks the interior is cheap. I spoke to the salesman and he let us look at a Touring level trim that was in for service. She liked that better even though I couldn't see any difference.
I'll probably have them do a dealer trade for a Touring if we can come to terms. Edmunds says TMV is 18K+ after rebates, There might be as much as 2K extra dealer cash hidden in the bushes but I can't tell.
What do you guys suggest, maybe a low-ball at 16.5 to test the waters? I can't see paying much more than 17-17.5K for a car that's way obsolete and going out of production. I see 2009 models listed on Autotrader with under 1000 miles for less than 14K . Isell must be right that the re-sale value stinks.
Maybe I should just fly down to Florida, pay the $599 doc fee and drive home.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
* he built a loyal following of customers who bought 300 to 700 new cars a year from them
*in 2003 he spent $3.5 million to upgrade his facsilities as GM insisted
*He was tolde he was being cut in a terse email he received 2 hours later than expected
*There is a Chev dealer in town that didn't get cut, but no explanation was given as to why he was cut
*The nearest Pon-Buick-GMC dealer is about 25 miles away.
He doesn't see how this could benefit GM. Some of his loyal customers will go to the other GM dealer, but most will probably buy another type of car. GM is offering about $500,000 to close, but he owes a lot more for the $3.5 reconstruction. He has 45 employees that he feels responsible for.
Guess that is the new GM! :sick:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I read the wikapedia link, very interesting. I wonder what will happen when all these Chinese companies really get going. Labor is so cheap in China, we were on a small cruise ship on the Yangze R. with about 100 passengers, and 120 crew members. More crew than passengers, it is mind boggling.
How are things in Mexico? Are you in a resort area or in the real Mexico?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Still, I'm of the mind that if the dealers can't be profitable, they'll eventually fall by the way side, anyway.
If I had a large investment in a dealership, and they said I could no longer have it, I'd be more than a little perturbed, to be sure.
I thought for sure that I read that 2009 would be the last year for it along with the Pacifica and the Crossfire (I think). Maybe I'm wrong.
What do you think of an offer of 16.5K for a Touring trim? Too high? Too low? Just right? If they have 2K dealer cash it might be doable.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
The whole thing about painful decisions is there is pain to be experienced. Also by those who may not deserve it. I don't know if this guy deserved to be cut. Maybe not. But just like Clint Eastwood said before he killed Gene Hackman "Deserve ain't got nothing to do with it"
2018 430i Gran Coupe
This dealer says it doesn't cost GM anything to have him as a dealer. He is in a small town that covers a wide rural area. I get the feeling he is in an area where people would be very loyal to a dealer who has been there for 54 years, and probably loyal to a company like GM too, and they probably buy a lot of trucks in an area like that - the town is surrounded by farms.
The only cost savings to GM by cutting dealers is it makes the dealers remaining stronger, in theory it should keep the selling price of their cars higher with less competition, and if dealers make more profit they can build better dealerships. I think a dealership like this one is more beneficial to GM than not having it. This is the type of dealership you would want to keep.
There is a fantastic opportunity for some car maker to come along and pick up a network of good dealers.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
True, but this was a dealer with 54 years and with loyal customers and the type who buy GM....rural people in a small town who stay with the known, and incidentally buy trucks, which is mainly what GM is selling these days.
I am sure many dealers had to go...there were too many to support the sales. But, I think the experts cut and slashed to make it look like they were doing something, but the experts don't analyze the real story. They are experts who have to justify their jobs by showing they are taking strategic steps to make GM work, but they don't study every situation.
I have seen the experts in action, and they often don't have a clue what they are doing, but they have to appear to do something so they can get a pay check.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Has anyone spotted a PT with someone under the age of 45 at the wheel?
Once you get past lousy gas mileage, terrible breaking, poor a/c, and awful handling it is a fine car.
Lady at work here is just under 40 and she loves her PT. It is a an 03 and has almost 150,000 miles on it, though I am sure the repairs she has had would have bought her a brand new car by now.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
lol, that is kinda funny review. Is there any good news?
Maybe, the sitting up high and the trunk space?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
My brother has one. He's 60.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I think from a marketing standpoint the problem was there's no way to do a follow up act. Well, unless they want to do a small 57 DeSoto....
I don't think I've ever seen anyone under 40 driving one either. My retired neighbor across the street has a cute little orange one that I think he likes pretty well.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Was in Mexico City for a few days, and I'm in beautiful Huatulco now (beach resort where about 85% of tourists are Mexican). So I am in the real Mexico in this global world
To bring post OT: There are more car brands available in Mexico than in the US. I drove by a FIAT delership, but haven't seen many on the road. There are a lot of Jeep Liberty and Patriots here. I guess all the ones they couldn't sell in the US
When I broke my ankle, I really appreciated the high seating of the PT, it made it very easy to get in and out of.
When we moved to NC from MD, my last trip was in the PT Cruiser. I had all my remaining household goods packed in the car, I was amazed how much I was able to squeeze in. Unfortunately, with two teenage sons, the car was getting a bit too small for longer trips and we had to go for something bigger.
I will admit that the interiors of the newer cars aren't as nice, Chrysler has done quite a bit of downgrading in the past 7 years.
Actually, the car would be for Mrs. farmer who would get a laugh out of you calling me "mature" as she has always considered me pretty immature.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
The way this week has been going, I wouldn't dare buy a new car, I would have a warranty claim as soon as I drove it off the lot.
Sunday, went to wathc the sart of the 24 hour of lemans, tv is dead.
Monday I drove my mother's car. I was going to use it to pick her up from the airport on Tuesday after she was away for a month. Tuesday, car won't start.
Thursday, my favorite home computer is dead.
Wife told me not to touch anything else in the house, but I am sneaking some time in on a laptop we never use.
Oh,oh, she's home.
My wife says that I'll never go through a second childhood because I've never outgrown my first childhood... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Quite often. FWIW the vast majority of their ragtops I see are driven by 20 something women.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Must be the difference between Chicago & New York. Around here, most PT drivers are middle-aged guys with really bad comb overs. You'll almost never see a young woman driving a domestic brand.
" Its been a rough day. I got up this morning ... put on a shirt and a button fell off.
I picked up my briefcase and the handle came off.
I'm afraid to go to the bathroom."
lol But I find that is true too....I don't think there is an absolute demographic. I don't see too many convertible PTs around though, but they are kind of cute.
There was a review in the newspaper for a VW beetle convertible. He said he liked the car a lot, but it would be too much of a chick car for him to consider buying one. Guess, some cars are more for males and some more females.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I believe that there used to be a Federal law that prohibited heterosexual males from owning or driving Golf/Rabbit cabriolets.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I get a call last night (Friday 6/19) from my friend Alice in Kansas. Her hubby Jim was in their old beater of a Toyota and got in a crash (not worth doing anything with, junkyard gave them $200 less the tow fee), so they had been car shopping. They were at first going to get a small pickup like a Colorado, but kept their minds open about a car as well. After making some calls, they went to a large multi-line GM dealer and the salesman they spoke to on the phone was with a customer, so he passed them to a colleague. He asked what their budget was and what they were looking for, and among other vehicles they looked over, they examined and test drove a 2006 Pontiac G6. Very clean, only 37K on the odo. Price was right at just $9800. They decided to pull the trigger on the G6. Salesguy calls and sends it for prep, and the original salesguy also pops in to help out. Alice and Jim both said it was a no-pressure deal, they both liked the car, and everything was fine.
Since this will be Jim's car, he took the first drive and they stop by his parents' house nearby to show it off. Then he lets Alice drive the 90 minute ride home while he drives her Grand Vitara. Alice notices on the drive home that the car has XM radio and it's activated. She asked me if that was possible on a used car, and I said if the previous owner had paid ahead and then decide to leave it on, sure.
Phone rings this morning (Saturday) and it's Alice again.
A: You're not gonna believe this... they gave us the wrong car!
K: Say what?
A: They sent us home in an 09, not an 06!
K: You gotta be kidding me!
Same color, same trim level. Jim was going through the glove compartment and notice that the manual was a 2009. Alice thought maybe they couldn't find an 06 manual and tossed that in there since most of the controls were the same. Digging further, they found the 2009 window sticker neatly folded. They looked at the VIN on the sticker and the car and they matched. So Alice calls the dealer and asks for the salesguy, and the receptionist says everyone is in the sales meeting and could she take a message, or was this something she needed to pull him for.
A: Well, I don't know how serious you feel this is... you gave us the wrong car.
Recept: Are you serious?
A: Yeah, we bought an 06, and this is definitely an 09.
R: You're serious?
[Alice then gives her the VIN and the stock number and the receptionist looks it up]
R: Oh my God! (starts laughing) In my 5 years here, that has NEVER happened before!
A [amused at it all]: Is someone gonna get in trouble for this?
R: No, not as far as job loss, but someone will have to take responsibility for it.
The original salesguy calls back a few minutes later. (Apparently he left his name on the deal and did a split commission with the other guy.) He said he didn't want to point fingers but he thinks he knows what happened and implicated the lot jockey. He checked and made sure the 06 was still physically there and arranged to make the swap, after jokingly asking, "wanna trade up the 06 for that 09? Some great rebates on it!" He said regardless, everyone involved in the deal and the mixup would probably get harassed about it for a good 6 months. When Alice asked when the dealership would have spotted it on their own, he replied they would have noticed when moving cars on the lot.
So of course, I ask the obvious question...
K: Neither of you checked the odometer until this morning??
A [sheepish laugh]: Nope. but when we did, we both said 250 miles is way less than 37,000!
The two G6s were otherwise identical, and to the casual-glancer, were easily mistaken for each other. After they discovered the mistake, Alice said, "you know, I didn't think the car we test-drove had an XM antenna..."
Yeah, a few employees of that dealership are in for a thorough chew-out today.
kcram - Pickups/Wagons Host
Good story..........why not keep the 09?
Actually $9800 for an 06 with 37k sounds like a good deal too. Who wrote up the paperwork, wouldn't you know what you were doing when they had to put in the year and everything? Did this take place in a little town where everyone is married to their own relatives?
I never heard of anything like that, but I suppose they will take the car back, get the whole thing fixed up, and the dealer will give a few oil changes at least to make up for all the inconvenience.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I wonder what the commission would be on a $9,800 '09 G6?
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
I must say I have never seen anything like that happen beofre either. We have billed out the wrong car before but never delivered the wrong one.
The salesperson says to a lot guy: "get that gold G6 cleaned up for delivery". Lot guy gets the wrong car cleaned up and gives the keys to the salesperson who delivers the car. The saleperson should have noticed though that the stock numbers are different for new and used (we use different stock number format and different colored key tags for new and used).
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX