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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Great Post, and thank-you for bringing that up. ;) I thought it was disrespectful to Wagoner, to be asked such a question when the Enclave was the focus. Did you catch the reporter ask Wagoner, if he was going to turn-around Ford, also ? :surprise:

    Rocky
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...replace the Rendezvous?
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    YEP !!!!!

    Rocky
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Do we not have the dealer line ups at GM memorized yet? ;)

    Chevrolet-value vehicles

    Saturn-seems to be just a little uplevel from Chevrolet but brings in buyers from outside GM.

    Pontiac/Buick/GMC-performance cars/premium cars/premium trucks

    Cadillac/Hummer/Saab-Luxury performance/outrageous off road/European premium

    Hey, that is what I get out of it. The only one I get confused about is the Chevrolet vs. Saturn. Walking all over each other except there are a lot of buyers that would consider Saturn and not Chevrolet.

    Shannon should not have used the word relevent. It confused me. He will get a little spanking later. PR needs to give a better worded story for why Buick is losing sales. It came out in the 2nd part but it was a bit late. Less fleet, higher contented/cost vehicles, fewer models, less overlap with other divisions, more profit per vehicle.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    the Rendezvous/Terazza/Rainier

    It is longer than a Rendezvous, carries the same amount of people as the Terazza and looks like a SUV.

    Wow! And all in a Premium bee-utiful body :shades:
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    62,

    Wouldn't you agree that Saturn is more along the lines of the Japanese like Honyota ? :)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Yep I agree with 62, she a beaut !!! :shades:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Plymouth supplier will try again to win OK for plan

    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/BUSINESS01/611290368/10- 14

    Rocky
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    I think you will see that Chevrolet may be walking back toward it's American roots in styling. Camaro is one example and supposedely the Malibu/Impala will also. BUT, I just do not see a major difference in shared models between Chev and Saturn. Perhaps Saturn will only keep smaller, more premium vehicles? We know they are sharing more all the time with Opel.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    >I would love 24" of fresh snow.

    Are those the separate store groups they're hoping to end up with eventually?
    Chev only
    PBG together in one store
    CHSLE in one store?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    CHSLE in one store?

    Cadillac, Hummer, Saab, Now what the heck
    is L & E :confuse:

    Rocky
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Cadillac,Hummer, Saab, Luxury, European.

    I won't have known either. I should have written that one out. I'm sorry.

    I see my previous paste from 62 didn't work right.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Okay....I was like what ? LOL :)

    Rocky
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I'm curious if that's going to be the store groupings. I see the local Chev, B, P, GMC dealer and wonder if they're going to have to choose Chev or BPG eventually as their store--or open a separate building.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    This is the way I'd like to see it.

    BPG as one. Chevy and Saturn as one. Cadillac and Saab as one.

    That is wishful thinking though. :(

    Rocky
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,419
    I'll need to see an Enclave in person, see how it stacks up against competition, and see how it holds up in a 6-12 month period before I can really pass judgment. Until then, it gives me no perception, it's nothing more than a name I've read. I suppose it isn't offensive looking anyway, which isn't always the case for GM vehicles...
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    The Detroit International Auto show is in January, I believe. I'd like to go this year again.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    You are only off by two. Saturn will remain separate and Hummer will be with Cadillac and Saab.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I wonder how many years it's going to take to make this golden utopia happen. :surprise:

    Rocky
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    The Chevrolet and Saturn stores are there now. Remember this scenario is for large markets. You will still see some CPBG stores in the small towns across the country. Smaller markets cannot support single brand stores. All the rest is happening quick. I think most every Pontiac is combined with every GMC dealer. 70% of the Buick stores are combined with Pontiac/GMC and the other 30% are probably going to go fast because it would be hard to make it with just 3 models.

    The Cadillac/Saab/Hummer will take awhile.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Okay, interesting.... :)

    Rocky
  • coontie57coontie57 Member Posts: 128
    I have to say that I feel really cheated. I bought a 06 in July with a 36K warranty... PHOOEY!!!

    Anyone know if they will make this retro active for us earlier buyers.?
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The Cadillac dealer from where I bought my Seville STS used to have a Hummer franchise.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Talk to your dealer about buying an extended warranty. 100k started with '07's!
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    So he sold the franchise or did he just close it down? How long ago did this happen?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Ummmm.....when a car has a service history like this, I always have to ask myself "what will stop all those components from failing again at the exact same mileage intervals?". Especially the ones replaced twice.

    That makes me think of my friend's old 1998 Tracker. He bought it new, and thankfully it had a 5/60 warranty instead of the typical 3/36. It went in for a transmission "overhaul", which I guess sounds better than "rebuild" right around 20,000 miles. And again at 40,000. And believe it or not, again just before 60,000!

    The 60K rebuild seemed to hold a bit longer, though. Around 86,000 miles it lost all its gears one morning. We took it to a local tranny place that's done some work for me, and they got it going again for about 60 bucks, but couldn't guarantee how long it would last. Around 92,000 it started to go again. The dealer just got wishy washy and said that it could run between $1000-3000 to fix. The tranny place was too busy to mess around with it this time around.

    I ended up taking a chance and called around looking for used ones. Found one for about $680 at a local wrecking yard, off a 1995 Suzuki with 55,000 miles. They delivered it to a repair shop just down the street from them, and that place put it in for about $400.

    Interestingly, that transmission was still going strong at 134,000 miles, when my buddy traded it on an '06 Xterra. I always wondered if, while the thing was under warranty, the dealer just did the bare minimum to get the thing to last beyond the warranty period. Seemed kinda strange that it would fail so regularly like that.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    http://gmtv.feedroom.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a62bb1020:10f3537d1de:4f40&st=1164831- 141227&mp=WMP&cpf=true&fvn=9&fr=042606_052434_3b99bbc2x10ad7e73331x26e4&rdm=8588- 7.72502982233
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I think he just shut it down over a year ago.
  • coontie57coontie57 Member Posts: 128
    This is all a bit confusing. My 06 purchased in July has a 3 yr 36K mile warranty... two months later the 06's had a 5 year 100000 mile warranty i think... now my buddy just bought one ... actually Dec 2 he gets it.. what's his warranty... ?? I just wrote him and asked that question.. when he write I will post it... then to make things more complicated in Jan 07 another version with catalytic converter comes out... another 07 model I guess. What's the warranty on that?

    Now this is all in 6 months..
  • odie6lodie6l Member Posts: 1,173
    "Talk to your dealer about buying an extended warranty. 100k started with '07's! "

    I was reading about the 100k warrenty, and it looks like the warrenty is for the Powertrain, NOT bumper-2-bumper (I read the fine print). The b2b is still 3/36k, so if your radio stops working after the 3yr / 36k your up snits creek without your paddle (and yes I have snits creek runnning through my backyard, so there is a real thing).

    Odie
    Odie's Carspace
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    GM powertrain/roadside assistance 5/100k warranty was for '07's only and retroactive for '07's bought before the announcement. Your buddy who bought the '06 must have paid for an extended warranty.

    Buicks and Cadillacs have 4 year, 50,000 mile bumper to bumper and other divisions are 3 year 36,000 miles

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=amecW6rnhgxc&refer=worldwide- _news
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/REUTERS/61129005/111- 4/newsletter01&refsect=newsletter01
    Although Buick has offered as many as seven models in recent years, Wagoner said GM was prepared to accept lower unit sales with about four models in order to try to capture more showroom traffic and shun lower-margin sales to car rental companies.

    "In the end we're going to let it flow. But what we're going to do is to make sure we make three and then four really good (Buick models)," Wagoner told reporters.

    GM has been pushing dealerships to consolidate into stores that offer its GMC trucks along with Buick and Pontiac models.

    Wagoner said that push combined with the success of Buick in China would help turn the brand around in the U.S. market, where it has struggled to attract a younger generation of buyers.

    "We've had a terrific run in China with Buick," he said. "Buick sells to the upper crust in China. That's going to open up some opportunities over time for product sharing that we wouldn't have had or even thought of five years ago."

    Then again maybe the 4rth model will come from China?
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    General Motors Corp. will expand the industry’s most diverse portfolio of hybrid technologies in 2008 with the debut of its front-wheel-drive, 2-mode hybrid system in the Saturn Vue Green Line SUV, the automaker announced at the Greater Los Angeles Auto Show.

    By using this sophisticated hybrid technology, the Vue Green Line 2-mode Hybrid is expected to deliver up to a 45-percent improvement in combined city and highway fuel economy compared with the non-hybrid Vue, based on current federal test procedures.

    http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gm- news/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=2&docid=30889
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    This year, the GM Hybrid system, an affordable belt-alternator starter hybrid technology, debuted in the Vue Green Line front-wheel-drive SUV.
    In 2007, the GM Hybrid system will expand to the Saturn Aura Green Line and Chevrolet Malibu front-wheel-drive midsize sedans.
    In 2007, the 2-mode hybrid system will debut in the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon full-size SUVs. Rear-wheel and four-wheel drive will be offered.
    In 2008, the 2-mode hybrid system will expand to the Cadillac Escalade full-size SUV and the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra crew cab full-size pickups. The Escalade will offer all-wheel drive, while the Silverado and Sierra will offer rear-wheel and four-wheel drive.
    In 2008, the first front-wheel-drive application of the 2-mode hybrid system, will debut – without plug-in technology – in the Vue Green Line. The Vue Green Line will offer customers a choice of the GM Hybrid system or the 2-mode hybrid system.
    In 2009, an electric all-wheel-drive, 2-mode hybrid system will be introduced in the Vue Green Line.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    When Wagoner talked to the press at the LA auto show something happened at the very end. Take a look. Go ahead and skip to about 1 minute before the end.

    http://gmtv.feedroom.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a62bb1020:10f366534bd:1689&st=1164851- 111040&mp=WMP&cpf=true&fvn=9&fr=042606_052434_3b99bbc2x10ad7e73331x26e4&rdm=8518- 42.9266254475
  • coontie57coontie57 Member Posts: 128
    Well I am glad to finally understand the GM warranty stuff. It really amounts to not much. Even my error prone Ford 250 diesel didn't have a problem within the stated warranty... it all fell apart at 72,500miles and 5+ years... So what I am saying is a 5 year 100K warranty would have done nothing for me.

    I noted that my friend that is picking up his new chevvy 3/4 diesel Dec 3 has paid quite a bit more than I did... I suspect GM just included the NEW warranty INTO the price... To kick up the warranty when I bought was as I recall about $2400.. and that's about the difference is our two prices on what seems to be comparable trucks.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    62,

    Why do you say their might be a Velite pal ?

    I wasn't able to pull that story without filling out some sort of a subscription.

    You think that 4th model could be the Velite ?

    I can only pray..... :cry:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    62,

    Man Rick, has had a rough week, eh ?

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Yep it's only on 07's ;)

    Rocky
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    No increase was made due to increased warranty.

    Really tough to compare 2 different branded vehicles to each other. Many details effect price and even a well thought out analysis will be tough to be assured it is correct.

    Heck, a Chevy is worth about $2500 more than a Ford any day. ;) Chevies do last quite a bit longer than a Ford and that is why GM decided to back it up with a longer warranty. The industry is waiting for others to step up to GM.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    make sure we make three and then four really good (Buick models)," Wagoner told reporters.

    Honestly I do not know what the 4rth model is. I would guess that Buick wants either a very nice 2 or 4 door 4 seater convertible or a more upscale 4 door above the Lucerne.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Every week is tough for him.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Honestly I do not know what the 4rth model is. I would guess that Buick wants either a very nice 2 or 4 door 4 seater convertible or a more upscale 4 door above the Lucerne.

    That sounds logical. Man a Velite Hardtop Convertible would be the perfect automobile for me. I'd have a constant grin ear to ear if GM, had the guts to make em' for me. :D

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Agree....He has gotten paid very well by GM, for doing it. ;)

    Rocky
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Today, we completed the sale of a 51-percent interest in GMAC to a
    consortium of investors led by Cerberus FIM Investors, LLC. This is a
    significant transaction for both GM and GMAC, and one that will provide
    benefits for all involved parties. GM expects to receive approximately $14
    billion from the equity sale over three years, and will retain a 49-percent
    stake in GMAC. This marks yet another important milestone in funding our
    turnaround, financing future growth initiatives and strengthening GM’s
    balance sheet.

    This transaction will result in a stronger GMAC, with enhanced access to
    funding at lower costs and greater opportunities for growth, including
    leveraging their traditionally strong relationships with GM dealers.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    LOS ANGELES — In the race to come up with a state-of-the-art hybrid SUV, GMC on Wednesday rolled out its 2008 Yukon Hybrid with a two-mode system that combines hybrid technology with cylinder deactivation.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=117780

    Rocky
  • coontie57coontie57 Member Posts: 128
    I was actually talking about the prices between 06 and 07 chevys... my buddy gets his tomorrow I think and his price was about $2500 higher than mine with nearly ... or exactly the same equipment... GM wanted $2400 for the warranty back in July...

    Now that's just what I remember!!! I might be suffering a big of CRS ya know..
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    General Motors dealers in the United States sold 297,556 new cars and trucks in November, a 6 percent increase compared with last year. Beginning with the 2007 model year in September, retail sales are up 13 percent while retail sales for November were up 11 percent compared to a year ago. Retail truck sales were up 17 percent, led by strong Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, and Cadillac Escalade sales. Retail car sales were up 1 percent.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Not bad....Just wait to the Aura goes into full swing. ;)

    Rocky
  • torque_rtorque_r Member Posts: 500
    " Not bad....Just wait to the Aura goes into full swing"

    I'd rather say wait until the new crossovers go on sale.
    The Aura will steal sales from none other than GM's other sedans. Check this out:

    Saturn Aura: 4,279
    Pontiac G6: 10,925 down 23% from 14,175 of Nov '05
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