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Toyota has its modular 3.5 making around 270 hp in most applications, Nissan has the 3.5 VQ, doing the same (but making more than 300 hp in the new Z car), Ford has its new 3.5 which is in the same ballpark and slated for use across the line. Only Honda is sticking with 2 different engines, one for the larger Acuras, and the other for Hondas and smaller cars. And Chrysler is the major exception - why are they still using three different V-6s and pushing the Hemi as their halo engine? Even with VCM it is a guzzler in a time of high gas prices. Hence the large drop in 300C sales - you can't give them away now.
Toyota has been using DI in the 3.5 since it showed up in the IS and GS. I wish I knew if Nissan uses DI in the Infiniti line. MB and BMW are already moving beyond that point - BMW especially with its Valvetronic which is showing up in most of the models now.
DI is a great way to flatten the torque curve and extract some extra power, while improving fuel economy and emissions without making the engine bigger.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
So the new standard engine for the CTS is the 300HP 3.6? The 18/27 MPG is OK, I guess, as compared to the V8, which could be dropped.
So this DI technology is already used in a handful of North American cars? Does this mean it is road tested technology? Sounds interesting.
Will the price on a CTS remain around $31K in base dress? Wonder why the price is so high on the DTS at $42K?
Loren
Loren
Infiniti: 306 hp in the G35, 330 hp in the upcoming G37 coupe.
Lexus: 306hp in the IS350, 303hp in the GS350
BMW: 300hp AND 300 lb-ft
Acura: 300hp (in the MDX)
Sorry if this sounded sarcastic, but GM is still playing catch up. And 19/27 mpg is not all that impressive either. The 303 hp GS350 is rated at 21/29 mpg. (these are 2007 ratings).
DI will I believe, with its ability to improve emissions and fuel economy without doing much else except adding some small cost, rapidly make its way down the ranks at Toyota and Nissan, and should hopefully also do so at GM. Honda has been busy working on its new V-10 (!!) but should add this to its line-up along with increasing availability of VCM (cylinder shut-off).
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The car is expected to debut in 2009, developed on General Motors' re-engineered Epsilon 2 front-drive architecture.
"There is joint development going on," said David Smidebush, Buick and Pontiac product director. "It is not that dissimilar to what Saturn and Opel are doing on global platforms."
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/FREE/70326014/1528/SEARC- H
Saturn Up 59.4% in February, Outlook has 71% conquest rate
Seeking a reduction in the standard work week with no loss in pay. That could include five days of fewer than eight hours, or a compressed work week of four nine-hour days, according to the resolution.
Resisting further shifting of health care costs to workers. GM, Ford and Chrysler are expected to press hard for UAW members to pay more for health care. Health care benefits are estimated to add $1,000 to the cost of every domestic vehicle. GM. is the largest private purchaser of health care in the United States, and reducing its annual $4.8 billion health care bill is a key goal.
Improving the funding status of pension plans and making it more difficult for companies to replace traditional pension plans with employee-contribution plans, such as 401(k)s.
Protecting the rights of workers who are employed by a bankrupt company. That includes "seeking membership on creditors' committees and otherwise engaging in the bankruptcy process," according to the resolution. The union also says it will be "vigorously contesting motions to cancel collective bargaining agreements and discontinue retiree benefits." Several auto suppliers have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in recent years, most notably Delphi, GM's former parts unit.
Closing the gap between workers' pay and executive bonuses.
The union's four-year contracts with GM, Ford and Chrysler expire Sept. 14. The convention unofficially starts today with a protest by rank-and-file members, some of whom will pass out petitions demanding no more concessions. The petition has already been signed by 2,500 auto workers in Metro Detroit, according to protest organizers.
I just accept it as a fact of life. Just as the UAW workers will need to pay their share. I am thankful for all the years that my family was covered. My children do not have that luxury. They are paying for their own.
No, but Japanese-market VQs have had it for a while.
Where has the mileage of the CTS with the been listed? You dont know if its worse than the GS350.
What difference does it make? They stole the 'wow' factor from GM.
Where has the mileage of the CTS with the been listed? You dont know if its worse than the GS350""
I won't answer that. You go do your own search and come back to us with your results.
I bet retail sales increases in California are largely the result of the revamp of the Saturn line - can you confirm that with the data you are accessing?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/HPT%20Library/HFV6/20- 07_36L_LY7_CTS.pdf
The G6 3.6:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/HPT%20Library/HFV6/20- 07_36L_LY7_G6.pdf
The G6 engine is much better at lowend torque than the CTS version. The CTS does drop to 80% at 1200 RPMs, but is 90% at 1700 or so.
It's not about "wow" factor, its about the new class standard for V6s in this price range. The CTS isnt the first with a 300hp V6, but it's also not the last. Jaguar, Lincoln, Volvo, MB and Audi do not have V6s on this level yet. The 2008 C class will only have 268hp in its top V6 engine. where is the "wow" factor in that?
Health care concessions last year and a series of work-rule changes at factories over the past several months demonstrate that the UAW is willing to help, Gettelfinger said.
"But, again, we're not going to be the only ones who always give," he said.
Gettelfinger was interviewed this morning while greeting delegates coming into the 2007 Special Convention on Collective Bargaining at Cobo Center here.
He will officially open the convention with a keynote address this morning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection
Both the 1952 Goliath GP700, and Gutbrod Superior 600, used Bosch direct fuel injection. The 1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SL, the first sports car to use fuel injection, used direct injection.
It was not until 1996 that gasoline direct injection reappeared on the market. Mitsubishi Motors was the first with a GDI engine in the Japanese market Galant/Legnum's 4G93 1.8 L straight-4,[1] which it subsequently brought to Europe in 1997 in the Mitsubishi Carisma,[2]......
Looks like little ol' Mitsu beat Goliath GM to the punch but I wouldn't expect that to be in the GM sales literature...
But the new EPA ratings will probably reduce the numbers to some unpredictable range. However, the current ratings will all be reduced to some new range.
Just making it known that GM is not some "technological tour de force" that some claim them to be. Sorry, this is not the 1950's or 60's. GM is a leader of nothing in this day and age. That ship sailed about
2530 years ago.Isuzu in 2004.
:confuse:
I thought it already had a Northstar option?
Will any of that matter? According to GM web site, Buick sales down in Feb (from 06) by 30%, down in Jan (from 06) by 33% and down in 2006 (from 05) by 15%. Buying public is apparently going elsewhere. Or, is it the age factor, in that Buick's traditional buyers are dying away.
But you know, there are new 50-somethings being created every day!
I think the LaCross is down and the Rendezvous is way down. For total Buick sales that would explain it to me. I see mjore and more Lucernes every day.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But you know, there are new 50-somethings being created every day!
Yeah, but many of the new 50 somethings grew up buying alternative vehicles from Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc and not what their fathers drove. Wouldn't think too many would jump ship from a Honda, Toyota, Nissan (and lately Hyundai) to a Buick. Cars like Hyundai Azera, Nissan Maxima, Toyota Avalon may be capturing many old-line Buick buyers.
> new 50 somethings grew up buying alternative vehicles from
From the seats I felt in the Accords I sat in and the complaints coming in the Camry 2007 area, I don't think that will last long, if at all.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Loren
Loren
It'll only be more and more difficult for Buick to be appealed to the current 20-something-year-old. Just take a walk around any university's parking lot and count how many Buick that you see. I'll bet you won't be able to use all your fingers...
Buick stigma as old persons car and older folks not buying any longer (dieing or no longer buying),
Fewer products to sell (down to 3)
rental penetration down in last few years
ATP's way up-No longer selling $19,995 MSRP Centurys
Product aimed very well at traditional Buick buyers
With the strategy of sharing vehicles with the China market and the dualing of GMC/Pontiac/Buick I do not see Buick going away anytime soon AND Buick still makes a good profit for GM.
Loren
General Motors Corp. probably would have to sell at least part of the light
truck division of DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler unit to clear U.S.
antitrust review in any potential takeover, two analysts said.
“A GM-Chrysler merger would require GM to divest most, if not all, of
Chrysler's truck assets,” Bear Stearns & Co.'s Peter Nesvold in New York
said today in a research note. “This is highly unattractive, based on the
disproportionate amount of profit that the truck assets contribute.”
"for a while". Just how long is a while. When will it turn around. And, Jan-Feb this year did not look promising.
If one does a regression chart (Excel) on Buick sales from 2002 to 2006, per GM web site data, sales will be zero in 2011 per slope of trend line. Sales have been going down since 2002. Sales (in Thous) in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 were 432, 337, 310, 282, 241 resp.
Lets hope that their upcoming crossover is a resounding success. Enclave. Wonder if any potential Lexus RX330 buyers will consider this crossover. They might bring people in to dealers if price were materially less than the Lexus.
And, as others I think have said, maybe the Chinese Lacrosse styling if used in US would help some. They got to get rid of the stodgy old f--t styling.
They really need a knockout car like Chrysler 300.