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Make sure you pay nothing more than MSRP. After hearing all of these horror stories on the forum about some of these dealers, I realize I was quite fortunate. My dealership did not try to sneak any premiums or nonsense fees like VIN etching on my purchase.
The Fit is a great car, but there is no need to satisfy the greed of some salespeople by paying over-MSRP premiums.
When do you expect delivery for your car?
As to the price, I locked myself in with MSRP almost a month ago.
I asked the salesman to quote me on tinting: $390, he must think I am stupid, I can get it done at a reputable tinting shop for about $140.
I don't like to generalize, but some of these guys a real sheisters :mad:
The car I saw (Fit Sport 5AT in Vivid Blue) uses the height of the vehicle to get more interior space. And gawd, the interior space is surprisingly big--it's almost as roomy as the 2006 Civic LX sedan! :surprise: I set up the driver's seat for best comfort for me and then sat in the back--plentiful leg room still left and excellent headroom in back, too. (This is good reason why Honda should refrain at all costs from offering the moonroof on the Fit in the North American market--even after the full-model change coming probably some time in 2007.
Externally, the length of the car is pretty small--even my 1998 Civic HX CVT coupé looks downright BIG compared to the Fit. Given its very low stance, it's small wonder why Car and Driver loved the handling of the car.
Now I know why European cars like the Renault Modus, European Ford Fusion, and Fiat Idea have all been inspired by the Honda Fit/Jazz design.
The car has the most interesting way of looking small and big at the same time. Plenty of stares so far. First one was before I even pulled out of the dealership from a fellow coming back from a Ridgeline test drive. :surprise:
Maybe Edmunds' vision of it being an SUV/Truck killer will come true.
I can't wait to see it tonight. (looks at clock) Tick tock Tick Tock.
Dude, I just have one question. DO YOU THINK WE ARE FREAKING MORONS !!?? Get off this board with that BS. Don't cry to us that you make no profit selling at MSRP. Have you heard of Holdback?? If you sell at invoice, you make profit. This was the funny part: $300.00 for PDI (Pre delivery inspection). That was funny. You should go into comedy. It takes 20 minutes to PDI a car.
BE HAPPY YOU ARE GETTING MSRP!
For example, has Honda de-contented it in more ways than just by removing the locking gas cap? Have they made any changes to the suspension for the NA market?
Inquiring minds want to know!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Almost identical to the European. At certain angles the front end does looks a bit longer (since it is), but for the most part it looks the same. You can’t see the hood from the front seats. Also, the turn signal and the reverse lights are switched on the NA model for some reason. The wheel covers are basically the 2001-2003 Fit/Jazz covers with black stripes on them. Fuel filler door is located slightly higher and has no locking mechanism. I’ve never checked this feature on the EUDM Jazz, but I heard it has the lock.
Interior:
The European Jazz had a bluish interior (I think later years have nicer looking color). The dark gray of the US model looks better, IMO. The interior feels just as nice and solid as the EUDM version. The blue light on the dials of the US instrument panel has a more upscale look than the red light on the Jazz.
Performance:
Naturally, the 1.5L engine (L15A1 to be exact
Handling:
Ride is comfortable. It feels like it might be a bit softer for the US model, but not enough to affect the handling. I know the original Jazzes (2002) had a harsh, jarring ride. This was fixed on later models. I actually have a few days off of work this week, so tomorrow I will take the car on some windy roads and test some of the side-to-side motions of the car. So far in my own “quick lane change tests”, the response has been excellent. The electric steering really shines at very low speeds. It is quiet and feels effortless, there is nothing taken from the engine, so the motor stays smooth.
The brochure that is at the dealer is well executed. Now if Honda will only get rid of the cartoonish Mattel toy type advertising.
My research also tells me that car dealers make good money on trades, so selling cars is lucrative, especially if consumers think that salesmen are in it for their health! I did not bargain very aggressively due to who I am, but was happy with my deal, just not happy with the wait and lack of info. about arrival time.
How do you mean? Are you Carol James, Carole Taylor, or some public figure?
But wait, your profile says you are a stay-at-home mom, so you can't be a politician. So what prevents you from bargaining aggressively? Don't tell me you're Todd Bertuzzi's mother. Then I would understand why no one will give you a good deal!
Thanks for the comparison. Please check your ownwers manual to see if the Fit automatic trans can be towed 4 wheels flat or not. Thanks..
Nice, name calling. I never called you a name.
I never posted anything that said I wouldn't sell at MSRP or that our dealership was charging over. You right about holdback. It's roughly $400. However, I AM NOT a salesman on the lot dealing with jacka** customer like you that thinks the Fit should be discounted $3000 off sticker just so I can make $100.
Nice, more name calling from a sales professional. I never once suggested a discount of 3,000 off MSRP, nor would I expect one. I fully expect to pay MSRP for the Fit. You said invoice was $100.00 below MSRP and that is not true. Another salesman on another board says there is only a $600.00 mark up on the Fit not 100.00 like you suggested.
Your quote:
"I just noticed the invoice to the sport is like 100 less than MSRP".
The comments I made was to the fact of the invoice to MSRP mark up is nothing. But, I guess since you know everything else, you already knew that yourself. But wait, you couldn't know that yet since you do not work for a dealership. Which I do and have seen the invoice.
You've seen wrong. There is more than a $100.00 markup on a Fit, and I doubt a PDI cost $300.00.
Your quote:
"Now add destination then subtract rouly $300 for PDI and the dealers do not make make anything at sticker."
Maybe you could give the name of your dealership, I would also prefer not to step foot in it.
3% over what? You want 3% over MSRP or 3% over invoice?
How much are you charging for a doc fee?
Car dealerships are not Wal Mart. I wish they were, but they are totally structured and prepared for negotiation and pad their prices for this activity.
I dearly wish there was such a thing as Toyota and Honda stores staffed by Honda employees instead of saleman, but it's not to be.
Underneath the total vehicle price it says "(Includes Pre-Delivery Service").
My assumption would be that means the "Pre-Delivery Service is included in MSRP. I did not pay a cent over MSRP for anything. No ADMU, no premiums, no extra pre-delivery service, no pinstriping, no window etching, nothing.
Just MSRP, destination, tax, DMV fees.
Since you charge for PDI (something that is supposed to be included in the MSRP), I am surprised you don't have special charges for Electricity, Heat, Salaried Employees... that is, all the costs of doing business.
Well, it kinda matters. It matters because not everyone deals with car dealers everyday and they are not aware of all the hidden pockets of profit dealers have and might just ignorantly pay all of them, so it is kind of unfair to the dear little old lady that walks in to the lion's den.
For the record I plan to pay:
MSRP
destination charge
doc fee
sales tax
These are all legitimate fees.
I'm making a guess that demand will be strong and I will concede to pay MSRP for the Fit. I'm not looking to scalp any dealer. Honda also frowns heavily on dealers that charge over MSRP as I'm sure you know.
If a customer pays MSRP, the dealer walks away with MSRP, hold back and the doc fee. If you can't pay your light bill, get a pizza, take the kids to a movie with that, something is wrong.
Your fortunate to represent a company like Honda that is making products that are in demand. Your probably cursing them that they can't supply more Si's to you.
The one other complaint I have is the lack of a telescoping steering wheel. I'm 6 ft 2 in with fairly long legs so I have to move the driver's seat all the way back. From there it is a long reach to the steering wheel, not a pleasant feeling.
So I am back to square one, still hoping to find a small 5-door vehicle that works for me. I would love to see a hatch back model of the 06 Honda Civic sedan, but I've been told there is activity at Honda on such a vehicle.
Please jmurman or isellhondas tell us roughly what the number is. We will all find out in the next couple of weeks. I am guessing based on the above $600-$1100.
Any help would be appreciated.
Not bad for a car that pretty much sells itself, and which will hang around on the lot less than a week for quite a while to come, I would imagine...
The only Honda dealerships I ever bought from new did such a crappy job of the PDI that I was back there a couple of times in the first two weeks. I get the impression after 20 years of car-buying that most dealerships skimp on the PDI just as much as they possibly can. And if it takes a half hour to an hour, that is what, a $75 cost to the dealership?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)